Rivals Top 50 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 5
2013 - 4
2014 - 6
2015 - 8
2016 - 12

Rivals Top 100 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 9
2013 - 8
2014 - 7
2015 - 10
2016 - 14

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Does anyone think that the Big 12 playing 4-5 games a year in Cincinnati, Provo, Hartford, Memphis, Orlando or Tampa will help stem the tide of Texas recruits signing with out of state SEC schools?

Well its only going to get worse for the Big 12. They have no other recruitable states.

(02-07-2016 01:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Well its only going to get worse for the Big 12. They have no other recruitable states.

The teams that are most successful at recruiting don't limit themselves to their own conference's footprint. For example: 15 of the 28 players in Michigan's recruiting class are from outside the Big Ten footprint. Harbaugh and Meyer don't need the Big Ten to add schools in Florida or Georgia or California to get players from there.

(02-07-2016 01:02 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Rivals Top 50 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 5
2013 - 4
2014 - 6
2015 - 8
2016 - 12

Rivals Top 100 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 9
2013 - 8
2014 - 7
2015 - 10
2016 - 14

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Does anyone think that the Big 12 playing 4-5 games a year in Cincinnati, Provo, Hartford, Memphis, Orlando or Tampa will help stem the tide of Texas recruits signing with out of state SEC schools?

Which SEC schools are getting the recruits? I would assume they are Arkansas, Alabama, and LSU.

Alabama can go anywhere in the country right now and get elite talent.

(02-07-2016 01:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 01:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Well its only going to get worse for the Big 12. They have no other recruitable states.

The teams that are most successful at recruiting don't limit themselves to their own conference's footprint. For example: 15 of the 28 players in Michigan's recruiting class are from outside the Big Ten footprint. Harbaugh and Meyer don't need the Big Ten to add schools in Florida or Georgia or California to get players from there.

While that's completely true---it kinda ignores the fact that it works a lot better for Michigan than it does for the Indiana's of the Big 10.

I like it.

As far as the Big 12 goes, they are on their death bed. They are bringing in less talent every after year.

Just look at how bad their conference teams did in the 247Sports Team Composite rankings from the 2016 recruiting cycle:

11: Texas
17: Baylor
20: Oklahoma
23:TCU
39: West Virginia
44: Oklahoma State
52: Iowa State
73: Kansas State
88: Kansas

That is terrible.

(02-07-2016 02:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 01:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 01:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Well its only going to get worse for the Big 12. They have no other recruitable states.

The teams that are most successful at recruiting don't limit themselves to their own conference's footprint. For example: 15 of the 28 players in Michigan's recruiting class are from outside the Big Ten footprint. Harbaugh and Meyer don't need the Big Ten to add schools in Florida or Georgia or California to get players from there.

While that's completely true---it kinda ignores the fact that it works a lot better for Michigan than it does for the Indiana's of the Big 10.

I agree with your point Coog...adding TAMU to the SEC has opened the door to TX.

Likewise adding Rutgers/MD to the B1G has really blasted the door wide open for B1G schools to recruit those areas now.

6 of the 12 Top 50 Texas kids signing with out of state SEC schools are from the Houston area.

When the Big 12 replaced A&M with TCU, it shored up the Big 12 presence in DFW but completely abdicated Houston to the SEC.

The only possible way to change that is to start playing 4-5 league games a year in the city of Houston and while it would help, it wouldn't reverse things back to 2011.

(02-07-2016 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  6 of the 12 Top 50 Texas kids signing with out of state SEC schools are from the Houston area.

When the Big 12 replaced A&M with TCU, it shored up the Big 12 presence in DFW but completely abdicated Houston to the SEC.

The only possible way to change that is to start playing 4-5 league games a year in the city of Houston and while it would help, it wouldn't reverse things back to 2011.

Thanks for that Houston area breakdown. I figured that was probably the case, but had never seen it broken out that way.

(02-07-2016 02:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 01:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 01:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Well its only going to get worse for the Big 12. They have no other recruitable states.

The teams that are most successful at recruiting don't limit themselves to their own conference's footprint. For example: 15 of the 28 players in Michigan's recruiting class are from outside the Big Ten footprint. Harbaugh and Meyer don't need the Big Ten to add schools in Florida or Georgia or California to get players from there.

While that's completely true---it kinda ignores the fact that it works a lot better for Michigan than it does for the Indiana's of the Big 10.

Wanting a larger footprint is nowhere near being the main recruiting issue for Indiana or any other struggling P5 program. Before they could sign a top-30 class, they'd need a much better football program to attract recruits. If they're signing mostly 2-stars and a few 3-stars now, they'd have the same level of recruits whether they're signing kids from Ohio or Louisiana or Florida.

(02-07-2016 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  6 of the 12 Top 50 Texas kids signing with out of state SEC schools are from the Houston area.

When the Big 12 replaced A&M with TCU, it shored up the Big 12 presence in DFW but completely abdicated Houston to the SEC.

The only possible way to change that is to start playing 4-5 league games a year in the city of Houston and while it would help, it wouldn't reverse things back to 2011.

This is why I have been saying since A&M joined the SEC, the Big12 needs to add Houston. It did not take a rocket scientist to see what was inevitably going to happen. The Big12 leadership has always been reactive never proactive.

If they expand, I think they may finally wake up and add BYU and Houston. To me they are clearly the best choices.
However, I seriously doubt they expand.

(02-07-2016 02:15 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 01:02 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Rivals Top 50 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 5
2013 - 4
2014 - 6
2015 - 8
2016 - 12

Rivals Top 100 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 9
2013 - 8
2014 - 7
2015 - 10
2016 - 14

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Does anyone think that the Big 12 playing 4-5 games a year in Cincinnati, Provo, Hartford, Memphis, Orlando or Tampa will help stem the tide of Texas recruits signing with out of state SEC schools?

Which SEC schools are getting the recruits? I would assume they are Arkansas, Alabama, and LSU.

Alabama can go anywhere in the country right now and get elite talent.

Ole Miss signed five top 100 Texas players:

#1 OT Greg Little (composite #3 overall prospect)
#8 S Devontay Anderson (#53)
#34 CB Jaylon Jones (#219)
#36 RB D'Vaughn Pennamon (#239)
#85 S Greg Eisworth (#562)

Two of these did come from the Houston area, but three were from the Dallas area. Eighteen of the 24 Ole Miss signees in the 2016 class were from outside Mississippi.

(02-07-2016 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  6 of the 12 Top 50 Texas kids signing with out of state SEC schools are from the Houston area.

When the Big 12 replaced A&M with TCU, it shored up the Big 12 presence in DFW but completely abdicated Houston to the SEC.

The only possible way to change that is to start playing 4-5 league games a year in the city of Houston and while it would help, it wouldn't reverse things back to 2011.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Texas and possibly OU eventually got ND deals from the Big XII.

I can see UTexas playing OU, A&M, Nebraska, ~5 Big XII schools, Rice/Houston (so they have a Houston game when they host A&M), an out of area big OOC game (i.e. Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Notre Dame, FSU, etc.), an in-state g5, and an in-state fcs/g5.

(02-07-2016 01:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 01:13 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Well its only going to get worse for the Big 12. They have no other recruitable states.

The teams that are most successful at recruiting don't limit themselves to their own conference's footprint. For example: 15 of the 28 players in Michigan's recruiting class are from outside the Big Ten footprint. Harbaugh and Meyer don't need the Big Ten to add schools in Florida or Georgia or California to get players from there.

True, but a % of the Southern kids signing with Big 10 schools are actually kids whose families came from Big 10 states prior to relocation in the South. This is particularly true in Florida. And it is only natural.

(02-07-2016 03:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  6 of the 12 Top 50 Texas kids signing with out of state SEC schools are from the Houston area.

When the Big 12 replaced A&M with TCU, it shored up the Big 12 presence in DFW but completely abdicated Houston to the SEC.

The only possible way to change that is to start playing 4-5 league games a year in the city of Houston and while it would help, it wouldn't reverse things back to 2011.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Texas and possibly OU eventually got ND deals from the Big XII.

I can see UTexas playing OU, A&M, Nebraska, ~5 Big XII schools, Rice/Houston (so they have a Houston game when they host A&M), an out of area big OOC game (i.e. Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Notre Dame, FSU, etc.), an in-state g5, and an in-state fcs/g5.

This would actually make some sense except that they need to have a way to access the Big 12 CCG to have a viable way into the CFP. And then there is this issue, "How long would the Big 12 be considered a P5 conference if OU & UT weren't officially football members?"

The Big 12 has the ability to get itself into both Ohio and Florida for recruiting.

It just lacks the will to do it.

The Big 12 took 12 of the Louisiana top 55 according to rivals, including #3 and #4. Guess the SEC needs to add Tulane. SEC only got 28 of the top 55.

ACC got 63 Florida recruits overall, SEC 44 and Big 10 43. Guess the SEC needs to add UCF to hold off the rest.

You need to look at these things in perspective. The cougar took 2011 which was a low point as his starting point. I have 2007 and 2008 for the Texas top 100 (2007 and 2008 are Houston Chronicle, 2014 and 2015 are rivals).

2007 Current SEC schools not named Texas A&M 13
LSU-5, Ark-3, Mo-2, AL-1, TN-2
2008 Current SEC schools not named Texas A&M 9
LSU-4, Ark-0, Mo-1, AL-1, MS-1, FL-2
2014 Current SEC schools not named Texas A&M 10
LSU-5, Ark-1, Mo-0, AL-1, MS-1, Vandy-1, UK-1
2015 Current SEC schools not named Texas A&M 15
LSU-3, Ark-2, Mo-1, AL-4, MS-4, FL-1

(02-07-2016 02:44 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 02:25 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  6 of the 12 Top 50 Texas kids signing with out of state SEC schools are from the Houston area.

When the Big 12 replaced A&M with TCU, it shored up the Big 12 presence in DFW but completely abdicated Houston to the SEC.

The only possible way to change that is to start playing 4-5 league games a year in the city of Houston and while it would help, it wouldn't reverse things back to 2011.

This is why I have been saying since A&M joined the SEC, the Big12 needs to add Houston. It did not take a rocket scientist to see what was inevitably going to happen. The Big12 leadership has always been reactive never proactive.

If they expand, I think they may finally wake up and add BYU and Houston. To me they are clearly the best choices.
However, I seriously doubt they expand.

I don't see the big 12 creating more islands with adding BYU and leaving WVU still on an island.