(02-10-2016 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:35 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  For perspective:

Big 12- 4 top 25 classes; average 40.9
ACC- 3 top 25 classes; average 41.3
Big Ten- 5 top 25 classes; average 40.7
PAC-12- 3 top 25 classes; average 32.3
SEC- 9 top 25 classes; average 20.9

Observations:

- Talent wise, this is an SEC world and the rest of us are living in it. You can't even combine two of the other conferences and have as many top 25 classes as the SEC.

4 + 5 = ?

#SECBias

Good Lord Mark, I thought that you were better than that. Everyone knows that SEC numbers round up ... always.

(02-07-2016 01:02 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Rivals Top 50 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 5
2013 - 4
2014 - 6
2015 - 8
2016 - 12

Rivals Top 100 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 9
2013 - 8
2014 - 7
2015 - 10
2016 - 14

***************

Does anyone think that the Big 12 playing 4-5 games a year in Cincinnati, Provo, Hartford, Memphis, Orlando or Tampa will help stem the tide of Texas recruits signing with out of state SEC schools?

No--I most certainly do not!

The B-12 needs themselves a Marquis there in the marchlands to prevent this invasion...like, say, somewhere around a large city over there by the border w/ Loosianne...let's see: what's the name...?

(02-10-2016 07:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-10-2016 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:35 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  For perspective:

Big 12- 4 top 25 classes; average 40.9
ACC- 3 top 25 classes; average 41.3
Big Ten- 5 top 25 classes; average 40.7
PAC-12- 3 top 25 classes; average 32.3
SEC- 9 top 25 classes; average 20.9

Observations:

- Talent wise, this is an SEC world and the rest of us are living in it. You can't even combine two of the other conferences and have as many top 25 classes as the SEC.

4 + 5 = ?

#SECBias

Good Lord Mark, I thought that you were better than that. Everyone knows that SEC numbers round up ... always.

Hey, that was the math of a Big 12 guy, not an SEC guy. So the ACC guys get the math but miss the social connection. Typical!

(02-10-2016 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:35 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  For perspective:

Big 12- 4 top 25 classes; average 40.9
ACC- 3 top 25 classes; average 41.3
Big Ten- 5 top 25 classes; average 40.7
PAC-12- 3 top 25 classes; average 32.3
SEC- 9 top 25 classes; average 20.9

Observations:

- Talent wise, this is an SEC world and the rest of us are living in it. You can't even combine two of the other conferences and have as many top 25 classes as the SEC.

4 + 5 = ?

#SECBias

Whoops. I should have changed the comment to "as many as".

Glad someone was reading it at least!

(02-10-2016 08:54 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 01:02 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Rivals Top 50 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 5
2013 - 4
2014 - 6
2015 - 8
2016 - 12

Rivals Top 100 Texas Recruits signing with SEC schools not named A&M:

2011 - 3
2012 - 9
2013 - 8
2014 - 7
2015 - 10
2016 - 14

***************

Does anyone think that the Big 12 playing 4-5 games a year in Cincinnati, Provo, Hartford, Memphis, Orlando or Tampa will help stem the tide of Texas recruits signing with out of state SEC schools?

No--I most certainly do not!

The B-12 needs themselves a Marquis there in the marchlands to prevent this invasion...like, say, somewhere around a large city over there by the border w/ Loosianne...let's see: what's the name...?

the USA does not have royalty and Mercury stopped building cars several years ago so I am not sure what a used car near the Louisiana border would do for the Big 12.......especially in an area where everyone is marching

(02-10-2016 10:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-10-2016 07:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-10-2016 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:35 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  For perspective:

Big 12- 4 top 25 classes; average 40.9
ACC- 3 top 25 classes; average 41.3
Big Ten- 5 top 25 classes; average 40.7
PAC-12- 3 top 25 classes; average 32.3
SEC- 9 top 25 classes; average 20.9

Observations:

- Talent wise, this is an SEC world and the rest of us are living in it. You can't even combine two of the other conferences and have as many top 25 classes as the SEC.

4 + 5 = ?

#SECBias

Good Lord Mark, I thought that you were better than that. Everyone knows that SEC numbers round up ... always.

Hey, that was the math of a Big 12 guy, not an SEC guy. So the ACC guys get the math but miss the social connection. Typical!

The SEC has more top 25 teams than any other conference every year for the past decade - TRUE
The SEC always has one of the top 4 teams - PROBABLY TRUE
The SEC usually has two of the top 4 teams - VERY DOUBTFUL
The SEC is going to grow more and more powerful until it takes over the world and crushes everything in its path - YEAH, WHATEVER.

(02-08-2016 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 10:28 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 08:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  They should be phoning USF right now.

The Big XII doesn't need to add more distant islands to the footprint. Especially a directional school with no tradition or brand playing in the shadow of an NFL team and has lost to Memphis the last 3 times in a row. 07-coffee3

It certainly doesn't need Memphis, a school swamped by the SEC and would bring no viewing market and no recruiting. USF is a far more logical choice.

Saying Memphis brings "no viewing market and no recruiting" is an exaggeration, if not an outright lie. Memphis is perennially a Top 5 college football TV market in terms percentage watching and is not overshadowed by the NFL. With respect to recruiting, having a lesser population than Tampa is compensated for by closer proximity to the Big 12. The SEC is well aware of the quality and quantity of players that Memphis produces. No need to even compare cultural compatibility or effects upon the footprint.

Someone did a lot more work than I did to dispel the fiction that there is an SEC invasion of Texas-same conclusion:

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/2/...-imaginary

(02-11-2016 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-10-2016 10:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-10-2016 07:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-10-2016 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:35 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  For perspective:

Big 12- 4 top 25 classes; average 40.9
ACC- 3 top 25 classes; average 41.3
Big Ten- 5 top 25 classes; average 40.7
PAC-12- 3 top 25 classes; average 32.3
SEC- 9 top 25 classes; average 20.9

Observations:

- Talent wise, this is an SEC world and the rest of us are living in it. You can't even combine two of the other conferences and have as many top 25 classes as the SEC.

4 + 5 = ?

#SECBias

Good Lord Mark, I thought that you were better than that. Everyone knows that SEC numbers round up ... always.

Hey, that was the math of a Big 12 guy, not an SEC guy. So the ACC guys get the math but miss the social connection. Typical!

The SEC has more top 25 teams than any other conference every year for the past decade - TRUE
The SEC always has one of the top 4 teams - PROBABLY TRUE
The SEC usually has two of the top 4 teams - VERY DOUBTFUL
The SEC is going to grow more and more powerful until it takes over the world and crushes everything in its path - YEAH, WHATEVER.

Non-sequitur anyone? anyone?

(02-12-2016 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Someone did a lot more work than I did to dispel the fiction that there is an SEC invasion of Texas-same conclusion:

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/2/...-imaginary

Bullet, the only SEC folks making the claim that the SEC is dominating Texas recruiting are SEC folks who are from Texas. It's not the rest of us in the SEC.

(02-12-2016 06:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Someone did a lot more work than I did to dispel the fiction that there is an SEC invasion of Texas-same conclusion:

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/2/...-imaginary

Bullet, the only SEC folks making the claim that the SEC is dominating Texas recruiting are SEC folks who are from Texas. It's not the rest of us in the SEC.

Houston Cougars like to say that to make it look like they are essential. But it also came up in a series of articles that didn't look at history. USA Today and I think CBS and ESPN did articles. This burntorange nation article goes into it a lot more depth than I did and refutes the idea that there is any trend.

(02-13-2016 12:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 06:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Someone did a lot more work than I did to dispel the fiction that there is an SEC invasion of Texas-same conclusion:

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/2/...-imaginary

Bullet, the only SEC folks making the claim that the SEC is dominating Texas recruiting are SEC folks who are from Texas. It's not the rest of us in the SEC.

Houston Cougars like to say that to make it look like they are essential. But it also came up in a series of articles that didn't look at history. USA Today and I think CBS and ESPN did articles. This burntorange nation article goes into it a lot more depth than I did and refutes the idea that there is any trend.

I agree that there is no trend suggesting that the SEC is going to be more successful in pulling Texas high schoolers. As I've said, an effort to recruit Texas players by outside schools has always happened to varying degrees of success, but no one has ever sustained it outside of the SWC/Big 12 footprint or a border state like LSU. Ohio State has done well there in the past, as has Notre Dame, but they both recruit nationally and their success has usually been for targeted high end players. Ole Miss did well there for the 2016 cycle and have offers out to nearly 20 players already for 2017, but I don't anticipate the same success they had this year. They might pull an offensive or defensive lineman or two, maybe a linebacker or cornerback, but I think that will be it and I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't sign anyone from Texas in 2017. The in-state (read Texas, Baylor, TCU, Houston) competition is strong and the other usual suspects (Oklahoma, LSU, Arkansas) are extremely active there. The only real trend I see is Baylor and TCU seeming to get a better level of recruit than I am accustomed to seeing.

(02-12-2016 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Someone did a lot more work than I did to dispel the fiction that there is an SEC invasion of Texas-same conclusion:

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/2/...-imaginary

Thank you for posting that link so we have the real truth.

(02-13-2016 08:18 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 12:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 06:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Someone did a lot more work than I did to dispel the fiction that there is an SEC invasion of Texas-same conclusion:

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/2/...-imaginary

Bullet, the only SEC folks making the claim that the SEC is dominating Texas recruiting are SEC folks who are from Texas. It's not the rest of us in the SEC.

Houston Cougars like to say that to make it look like they are essential. But it also came up in a series of articles that didn't look at history. USA Today and I think CBS and ESPN did articles. This burntorange nation article goes into it a lot more depth than I did and refutes the idea that there is any trend.

I agree that there is no trend suggesting that the SEC is going to be more successful in pulling Texas high schoolers. As I've said, an effort to recruit Texas players by outside schools has always happened to varying degrees of success, but no one has ever sustained it outside of the SWC/Big 12 footprint or a border state like LSU. Ohio State has done well there in the past, as has Notre Dame, but they both recruit nationally and their success has usually been for targeted high end players. Ole Miss did well there for the 2016 cycle and have offers out to nearly 20 players already for 2017, but I don't anticipate the same success they had this year. They might pull an offensive or defensive lineman or two, maybe a linebacker or cornerback, but I think that will be it and I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't sign anyone from Texas in 2017. The in-state (read Texas, Baylor, TCU, Houston) competition is strong and the other usual suspects (Oklahoma, LSU, Arkansas) are extremely active there. The only real trend I see is Baylor and TCU seeming to get a better level of recruit than I am accustomed to seeing.

OU and Oklahoma St. had bad years in Texas, probably due to Baylor and TCU. And OU's problems are to some extent their coaching staff. Their fans openly talk about having had weak recruiters for several years (which Stoops is trying to fix).

The only ones beating the drum of "The SEC has taken over Texas recruiting" are Coog fans trying to justify their inclusion in the B12.

I mean look who started this thread to begin with

I'd be curious to be a more geographic breakdown.

I'd wager that certain portions of Texas have become SEC hotbeds while others are relatively unchanged