(02-08-2016 09:39 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:10 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  I'm not going to call the game "boring" but it wasn't an exciting game. Not because it was it was defensive, but because they were a lack of exciting plays. There were 4 or so defensive plays that were exciting but I don't remember a single exciting offensive play. Even most of the turnovers were relatively unexciting plays with a bunch of fatties falling on a QB fumble. The one big special team play was more "WTF" than exciting. Cam and Manning combined for only 31 completions but there were 15 punts! Several coming off a run play on third and long. Throw in 5 FG attempts and only two TDs and the explosive, highlight worthy plays were pretty much nonexistent. The ESPN home page recap (2:45 minutes) has one play each from the first three quarters and four from the 4th. All of them on the defensive side of the ball. I don't know my threshold of exciting plays to make an exciting game but bottom line is if it was a regular season game, I would have turned the channel.

Longest punt return in Super Bowl history (61 yards) wasn't exciting? I'll grant you that there were few offensive plays worth mentioning (I can only recall there were 3 plays combined that went for over 30 yards) but that's the nature of defensive battles. Maybe if the field was sloppy muddy, or the game was played in sub-zero temps, the game would have more of the "ambienance" of a classic.

I said it was big and exciting, I just said it was more confusing than exciting. I wasn't pumped after the play, I was confused until I saw the replay. As I mentioned they showed 7 plays in the ESPN highlight reel and I watched a couple others and not one of them featured that record breaking return.

(02-08-2016 09:39 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Longest punt return in Super Bowl history (61 yards) wasn't exciting? I'll grant you that there were few offensive plays worth mentioning (I can only recall there were 3 plays combined that went for over 30 yards) but that's the nature of defensive battles. Maybe if the field was sloppy muddy, or the game was played in sub-zero temps, the game would have more of the "ambienance" of a classic.

The longest punt return in super bowl history because the first 3 or 4 defenders on their special team unit though he had called a fair catch. When I watched it live, I thought it was a fair catch too and was thinking WTF is going on. I assumed a fair catch because of how the players decommitted from their tackles.
It's the super bowl. I hate seeing sloppy football in the super bowl of all events. It felt like I was watching a CAA game at times with the special teams mistakes and fumble-itis.

If you thought last nights game was exciting, that's great. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I did not, and can sum up why for one reason. The Broncos never once trailed. Having a lead change go back and forth really adds drama for me, and it just seemed like Denver was in control the entire game. It may not have had the lopsided score, but it pretty much felt the same as Denver vs Seattle to me.

(02-08-2016 10:16 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  If you thought last nights game was exciting, that's great. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I did not, and can sum up why for one reason. The Broncos never once trailed. Having a lead change go back and forth really adds drama for me, and it just seemed like Denver was in control the entire game. It may not have had the lopsided score, but it pretty much felt the same as Denver vs Seattle to me.

many called that seattle super bowl win over denver two years ago as boring because it was a blowout. I would rather see a game like that than the one last night. At least that game had some offense from both teams and not the offense crap displayed last night. I liked that seattle team for executing so well on both sides of the ball. No one executed last night. Denver won because of a bad review call handing them a fumble TD. It then effected the momentum for the rest of the game.
I give Denver's defense credit. They won the game and their MVP reflects that. I don't even feel like Peyton Manning "won" this super bowl. Everyone's saying "he's now tied his brother with two wins". Technically yes, actually.... not really. He was a non-factor more than Cam last night.

I am the only one who thinks that Newton to Cotchery pass was clearly incomplete? Looks like the tip of the ball hits the ground before his hand slides up under it and gets full control.

It was an OK game. I don't mind a defensive struggle but in this case there was a lot of poor execution by both offenses. Going into it I kind of expected Carolina to roll. At least it was close up until the end.

(02-08-2016 09:49 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:37 AM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Defenses played very well but there were a number of dropped passes and horrible passes (mostly on Carolina for both). Just look at the first Carolina play from scrimmage - Cam rocketed the ball at 100 mph over his wide open receiver's head. He had a number of other passes like that as well. Manning's interception, while a nice 1 handed catch, was not a well thrown pass at all. Defenses stepped up and offenses stepped down big time.

I don't believe you can place any blame on Carolina's loss on their receiving corps. Cam was totally off during the first half. He got better the second, but I don't remember anything that I would consider a dropped pass. Technically, you could call the one reviewed a dropped pass, but we all know that was a catch. I don't know what the replay official was looking at, but that was a catch.

Yes, a few times they got their hands on the ball and didn't make the catch, but they didn't just out-in-out drop a ball. Even that one screen to the left side was not a good throw at all. There was that nice catch down the middle where the receiver jumped 25' in the air to come down with the ball.

I don't know where Cam was last night but it wasn't in Santa Clara, CA. He would trot on the field and before the first snap of a series, he was gassed. Then at the end of the game fumble, he turned into a total pansy.

2 plays that standout to me for bad plays by WRs were Cam's interception that should have been caught by Ginn (or at least done better with it) and a perfectly thrown pass deep down the sideline that landed in Cotchery's hands and was dropped - defender was close but did not get hands on it and it has to be caught. Would have had the ball inside the 10 yard line - instead, missed FG 2 plays later. Agree that the reviewed play should have been a catch though Cotchery needs to be more surehanded on that play. Apparently, just read Cotchery had another drop on a 3rd and 4 at mid-field that led to a punt

Here is an article on Cotchery's rough day - http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/...83888.html

For the most part, Cam was bad but WRs need to take blame on some plays.

I loved the game. Reinforces what I have always preached that defense wins championships. Those who don't appreciate the game are the same that would not enjoy a 1-0 pitchers duel in baseball. Denver's defense is about as good as any I have seen in any Super Bowl. The '85? Bears defense may have been better. Look at all the Championship football games this year and you will find a theme. North Dakota, Alabama, Denver; all great defenses with good offenses. Not great offenses, but good offenses. It is the formula for success.

I am hopeful that Houston will return us to being a great defense and a good offense. Throw in great special teams and BINGO!

BDK, if you love defense then you need to watch the replay. It was a great defensive game.

The Panthers were outstanding on defense and only gave up 194 yards while getting 5 sacks, a fumble recovery, and a pick. They only gave up 11 first downs and 2 of those were by penalty.

The Broncos scored 18 of their 24 points on "drives" totalling 3 yards. The ball definitely bounced their way last night and kept them on a very short field.
IMO, turnovers won the game last night and it can be easily argued that Carolina had the more dominant defense.

2 great defenses. Only one champion.

I, for one, enjoyed the game.

(02-08-2016 11:05 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I loved the game. Reinforces what I have always preached that defense wins championships. Those who don't appreciate the game are the same that would not enjoy a 1-0 pitchers duel in baseball. Denver's defense is about as good as any I have seen in any Super Bowl. The '85? Bears defense may have been better. Look at all the Championship football games this year and you will find a theme. North Dakota, Alabama, Denver; all great defenses with good offenses. Not great offenses, but good offenses. It is the formula for success.

I am hopeful that Houston will return us to being a great defense and a good offense. Throw in great special teams and BINGO!

That Alabama game was 45-40, North Dakota scored 37. Great defense can win championship and still be "exciting" games.

Last night the defenses were good but the offenses were awful. Tons of dropped balls, mental lapses, terrible throws, lots of penalties, replays and coaches challenges slowing the game, etc. Carolina had 12 penalties, ties most in any Super Bowl. The 18 total in the game was two away from the combined record. All of the above added to a game which some are calling boring.

The defenses were good, the offenses were terrible and considering there were 15 punts, many short or OB and only 1 real return, the special teams were ehhhh at best. As a whole the game wasn't great. To say the game was great because the defenses were great can be interpreted as that you only care about half the game.

It strikes me that many Panther fans, or perhaps just Cam fans, have labeled the game boring or blamed the refs because the results didn't live up to their expectations...expectations that Cam and company would roll to a lopsided victory. Attempts to deligitimize Denver's victory starts with whining about the replay review that let an incomplete ruling stand, and finishes with critiques about Cam's manhood for not trying harder to recover the forced fumble at the end of the game. All-in-all, there have been more exciting games in Super Bowl history, but it was confirmation that great defenses win championships.

One thing to note, very, very few people who live and breath the Carolina Panther's (PSL owners from the beginning or a very long time) place a high priority on Cam. It's very much the remainder of the team we pull for, especially the defense and more specifically, Kuekly and Davis. The Cam fans are the Panther fans who only recently jumped on the bandwagon who will be just a quick to jump off the wagon and go back to Dallas or wherever else they came from.

I'm a long suffering Skins fan, but I was pulling for the Panthers for two reasons: 1) Dean Marlowe and 2) Jehrico Cotchery. Yeah, I think the refs screwed the Panthers on the "incomplete pass" review, but it didn't cost them the game. Michael Oher and the Panthers' right tackle getting worked by the Denver defense contributed to the loss, as did Cam's two fumbles, his INT and Tolbert's fumble. Those turnovers were caused by Denver's aggressive defense. Hats off to the Denver defense for playing well and getting in, not only Cam's head but, the tackles' heads as well. A lot of the penalties that the Panthers had were caused by the Denver defense. How many times did the O-line jump, trying to get ready for the Denver rush? Wade Phillips had them ready to go. Peyton had little, if anything, to do with Denver's victory.

(02-08-2016 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  It strikes me that many Panther fans, or perhaps just Cam fans, have labeled the game boring or blamed the refs because the results didn't live up to their expectations...expectations that Cam and company would roll to a lopsided victory. Attempts to deligitimize Denver's victory starts with whining about the replay review that let an incomplete ruling stand, and finishes with critiques about Cam's manhood for not trying harder to recover the forced fumble at the end of the game. All-in-all, there have been more exciting games in Super Bowl history, but it was confirmation that great defenses win championships.

I suppose you weren't a fan of last night's commentators then? Both openly commented on the incorrect review play and cam's unwillingness to fight for a fumble. If they're even saying something, it might have some ground to stand on.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/photos/ever...-to-best/7

CBS ranks the super bowls and considers SB50 the 7th worst. I haven't seen the older ones, but I understand how a super bowl can be viewed as bad if it's one sided, which many of them are. I personally would say the SB48 was significantly more entertaining than SB50.

(02-08-2016 01:46 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I'm a long suffering Skins fan, but I was pulling for the Panthers for two reasons: 1) Dean Marlowe and 2) Jehrico Cotchery. Yeah, I think the refs screwed the Panthers on the "incomplete pass" review, but it didn't cost them the game. Michael Oher and the Panthers' right tackle getting worked by the Denver defense contributed to the loss, as did Cam's two fumbles, his INT and Tolbert's fumble. Those turnovers were caused by Denver's aggressive defense. Hats off to the Denver defense for playing well and getting in, not only Cam's head but, the tackles' heads as well. A lot of the penalties that the Panthers had were caused by the Denver defense. How many times did the O-line jump, trying to get ready for the Denver rush? Wade Phillips had them ready to go. Peyton had little, if anything, to do with Denver's victory.

All very true. I can add to your list like the long punt return, for what ever reason, the Panthers quit on the play. But for me, way, way before they had a chance to get in Cam's head or any of the other Panther, Cam was over-throwing passes when there was no pressure. His first pass went 20 feet over a wide open receiver and they didn't get much better until the second half. Cam was not ready for the mental pressure of the Super Bowl. The Carolina defense played plenty good enough to win, one offensive TD and that was late in the game.

(02-08-2016 11:48 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:05 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I loved the game. Reinforces what I have always preached that defense wins championships. Those who don't appreciate the game are the same that would not enjoy a 1-0 pitchers duel in baseball. Denver's defense is about as good as any I have seen in any Super Bowl. The '85? Bears defense may have been better. Look at all the Championship football games this year and you will find a theme. North Dakota, Alabama, Denver; all great defenses with good offenses. Not great offenses, but good offenses. It is the formula for success.

I am hopeful that Houston will return us to being a great defense and a good offense. Throw in great special teams and BINGO!

That Alabama game was 45-40, North Dakota scored 37. Great defense can win championship and still be "exciting" games.

Last night the defenses were good but the offenses were awful. Tons of dropped balls, mental lapses, terrible throws, lots of penalties, replays and coaches challenges slowing the game, etc. Carolina had 12 penalties, ties most in any Super Bowl. The 18 total in the game was two away from the combined record. All of the above added to a game which some are calling boring.

The defenses were good, the offenses were terrible and considering there were 15 punts, many short or OB and only 1 real return, the special teams were ehhhh at best. As a whole the game wasn't great. To say the game was great because the defenses were great can be interpreted as that you only care about half the game.

First 3+ qtrs/almost 50 min: 45 pts (24-21)
Last 10+ min 40 points.

It was more of a defensive game till the last 10+ when there was a scoring orgy..

(02-07-2016 11:33 PM)Potomac Wrote:  From an entertainment value, that is one of the worst Super Bowls I can remember.
Neither QB was a factor and both had bad games. Fumbles and interceptions galore. The team that won was the one that fumbled the least.
Denver's only offensive TD was with 3 minutes remaining on a 4 yd drive set up by a fumble after cam was too scared to fight for the fumble and just watched Denver fall on it.
Terrible officiating throughout that led to Denver's first TD on a fumble that shouldn't have occurred if they hadn't botched an obvious review earlier in the drive on a pass incomplete call.
I'm not even a panthers fan but I like to see new teams win it. It had potential to be a good game and it was nothing short of a disappointment. Even the halftime show was bad.

Didn't see it but I see that it was controversial (I know not the 1st time):
http://nydailynews.com/entertainment/bey...-1.2524039
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/americ...le/2582705

(02-08-2016 03:32 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:48 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 11:05 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I loved the game. Reinforces what I have always preached that defense wins championships. Those who don't appreciate the game are the same that would not enjoy a 1-0 pitchers duel in baseball. Denver's defense is about as good as any I have seen in any Super Bowl. The '85? Bears defense may have been better. Look at all the Championship football games this year and you will find a theme. North Dakota, Alabama, Denver; all great defenses with good offenses. Not great offenses, but good offenses. It is the formula for success.

I am hopeful that Houston will return us to being a great defense and a good offense. Throw in great special teams and BINGO!

That Alabama game was 45-40, North Dakota scored 37. Great defense can win championship and still be "exciting" games.

Last night the defenses were good but the offenses were awful. Tons of dropped balls, mental lapses, terrible throws, lots of penalties, replays and coaches challenges slowing the game, etc. Carolina had 12 penalties, ties most in any Super Bowl. The 18 total in the game was two away from the combined record. All of the above added to a game which some are calling boring.

The defenses were good, the offenses were terrible and considering there were 15 punts, many short or OB and only 1 real return, the special teams were ehhhh at best. As a whole the game wasn't great. To say the game was great because the defenses were great can be interpreted as that you only care about half the game.

First 3+ qtrs/almost 50 min: 45 pts (24-21)
Last 10+ min 40 points.

It was more of a defensive game till the last 10+ when there was a scoring orgy..

First 3 qtrs of Bama: 45 points, 6 TDs*, 431 yards (first half)
First 3+ qtrs of Super Bowl: 23 points, 2 TDs*, 263 yards (first half)

It was "more defensive" the first 3 quarters but it most certainly was not defensive.

EDIT: *Both games featured a non offense TD so perhaps it should read 5 TDs to 1 TD.

(02-08-2016 02:11 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  It strikes me that many Panther fans, or perhaps just Cam fans, have labeled the game boring or blamed the refs because the results didn't live up to their expectations...expectations that Cam and company would roll to a lopsided victory. Attempts to deligitimize Denver's victory starts with whining about the replay review that let an incomplete ruling stand, and finishes with critiques about Cam's manhood for not trying harder to recover the forced fumble at the end of the game. All-in-all, there have been more exciting games in Super Bowl history, but it was confirmation that great defenses win championships.

I suppose you weren't a fan of last night's commentators then? Both openly commented on the incorrect review play and cam's unwillingness to fight for a fumble. If they're even saying something, it might have some ground to stand on.

So what? The point is the Panthers got exposed and beat by a great defense.