My hope is that Pastner stays until the end of his contract. Then maybe, just maybe, some "fans' will go away and stay away.

(02-06-2016 02:57 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I don't. I want him gone, but I seriously think he saved his job today.

What makes a game against another team who isn't going to the NCAA tournament so special?

Is the crappy recruiting class the rotten cherry on top on the pu-pu platter?

If the decision-makers don't realize that Cincy isn't good, and this is the basis to ignore all the reasons a change has to be made, this explains how Pastner got a $16 million extension with no out in case of poor performance.

(02-06-2016 03:20 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 03:10 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 02:52 PM)Irish Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 02:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  So basically people believe the continue to let the signature program of the athletic program go down in flames because boosters signed off on a dumb contract?

If the boosters who insisted on giving him a stupid contract that they were paying because they expected results were willing to pay the stupid contract, then they would be willing to pay him to go away when its obvious to even the biggest fans of the coach that the roster will be worse next year than it is this year and attendance will drop by double digits if he is back.

So, where do you suggest we get the money? I don't see the school paying 10 mil AND bringing in a guy for 300k and hoping he does better. Like everythjng else, it all comes down to money.

The school or boosters do not have to pay a lump sum of $10 million. Unless he resigns, JP will be paid monthly for the next 4 years. That money is already spent.
If Memphis cannot come up with another $1.5 annually, there is a reason we are not in a P5 conference. And should not be.

It sure is easy to spend other people's money.

(For the record, I think he will be gone)

The problem is the school is hemorrhaging people willing to shell out of $5k for a pair of basketball season tickets; so the people who will ultimately pay the Pastner buyout will end up having to cover the gap made by the shrinking basketball fanbase... if they elect to hold onto him. Either way, Pastner was a horrendous investment.

Before I have him another year if I was AD/booster he'd have to sell me on what other recruits are coming next year.

Losing Shaq Burrell Tarrant and only adding the JC and 5-9 SG won't cut it

(02-06-2016 03:21 PM)Poorwill Wrote:  My hope is that Pastner stays until the end of his contract. Then maybe, just maybe, some "fans' will go away and stay away.

So you want fans to go away? You can't wait to the program can't even recruit star Memphis players because the program sucks? You can't wait until ESPN doesn't want Memphis games on ESPNU?

So you want Memphis basketball to become Tulane basketball so that games have about five hundred geriatric diehards and no student section?

Think logically. Why pay millions to a fired coach and pay millions to a new coach that could be a bad hire as well? Pastner isn't that bad, has a winning record and I'm glad we beat Cincy. Think positive. Still have the tourney to win out.

(02-06-2016 03:21 PM)Poorwill Wrote:  My hope is that Pastner stays until the end of his contract. Then maybe, just maybe, some "fans' will go away and stay away.

that plan seems to be working...

(02-06-2016 03:30 PM)MemphisTigers2009 Wrote:  Think logically. Why pay millions to a fired coach and pay millions to a new coach that could be a bad hire as well? Pastner isn't that bad, has a winning record and I'm glad we beat Cincy. Think positive. Still have the tourney to win out.

Logic?

$11 million dollars is lost (unless he gets another job). Whether he coaches or not.

What you know he really can't coach and he does a poor job of running his program. Guys graduate, but they aren't developed well, morale is low year in and year out, and many of the best players transfer.

He's never really won the big games. He's losing the fanbase. His one strength that matters on the court was amazing recruiting and that is now mediocre or worse.

If you know that coach that you know is bad and hurting the program, why would you keep him just because you gave him a bad, expensive contract?

(02-06-2016 03:30 PM)MemphisTigers2009 Wrote:  Think logically. Why pay millions to a fired coach and pay millions to a new coach that could be a bad hire as well? Pastner isn't that bad, has a winning record and I'm glad we beat Cincy. Think positive. Still have the tourney to win out.

If we wanna use logical thinking like there's really such a thing as non emotionalized thinking, we could just as easily look at the fan and booster monetary support to say it's ovah.

Errbody knows his time is up. He knows it too. We don't have to pick sides, i.e. hate on him or love him.

Time's just up.

(02-06-2016 02:18 PM)Irish Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 02:13 PM)Seller545 Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 02:10 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I think this win gives him another year.

So you are saying a home a win versus a bubble team erases the last three years?

He didn't say that.
You know the school is hoping the team can limp along until the buyout is no longer an issue. This win means that becomes a possibility.

When is the buyout no longer an issue? I thought the contract automatically renewed each year - no?

(02-06-2016 03:37 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 03:30 PM)MemphisTigers2009 Wrote:  Think logically. Why pay millions to a fired coach and pay millions to a new coach that could be a bad hire as well? Pastner isn't that bad, has a winning record and I'm glad we beat Cincy. Think positive. Still have the tourney to win out.

Logic?

$11 million dollars is lost (unless he gets another job). Whether he coaches or not.

What you know he really can't coach and he does a poor job of running his program. Guys graduate, but they aren't developed well, morale is low year in and year out, and many of the best players transfer.

He's never really won the big games. He's losing the fanbase. His one strength that matters on the court was amazing recruiting and that is now mediocre or worse.

If you know that coach that you know is bad and hurting the program, why would you keep him just because you gave him a bad, expensive contract?

Some people just don't get it. Pastner is what we call sunk costs. It's over, budgeted and paid for. Expensive? Yes. What does that have to do with hiring a new coach except it teaches us not to make the incredible mistake of auto rollover on the FRONT END of the contract-which I've never seen before.

If we don't make a name hire that fans believe in, the lost revenue next year with a new coach is going to be devastating. Probably $4-$6M range with Damon or SFA type. It's going to be "show me" and I will come like football for first time in decades. This is a critical time for basketball program.

April 7, 2015 was the last auto renewal. There are 4yrs left on contract

If some of the big boosters are looking for any reason to keep him then they honestly do not give one crap about UofM regardless of who they are. Maybe they have a hidden agenda or maybe its not wanting to pay up and admit a huge mistake, but everyone else sees the turd on the carpet while they are spraying Febreeze pointing out the window.

(02-06-2016 02:10 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I think this win gives him another year.

So is this what we're doing the rest of the year? Every win he's the coach next year? Every loss he's fired?

(02-06-2016 05:10 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  April 7, 2015 was the last auto renewal. There are 4yrs left on contract

Is that true? Why are others saying contract keeps renewing? Another thing, why did they let the contract renew last year?

(02-06-2016 05:43 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 02:10 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I think this win gives him another year.

So is this what we're doing the rest of the year? Every win he's the coach next year? Every loss he's fired?

In reality the money should require more. A plan of action.

Okay, two mulligans in a row - what's the plan for next year - summer weights, additional recruits, player development, etc. Lay it all out. Depth chart and regimens and playbook and everything.

It's not good enough at this point to just say - he gets another year.

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His contract is on a monthly renewal now. It could have never gotten longer than five years in the first two and it will never go less than four. If we fire him he gets over $220,000 per month for 48 months.

There is no buyout. There is no reassignment. There is no reduction adjustment if he gets a new job after he is fired. The only reasons for ending the contract without paying out the contract is if he violates it or resigns to take another job.

I trust the big boosters opinions over the twitter boya, arm chair heroes and dolts in the media.

When they are ready for him to go. Cool. Cya. Until that time he should get credit for a tough win.

(02-06-2016 03:21 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 02:57 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I don't. I want him gone, but I seriously think he saved his job today.

What makes a game against another team who isn't going to the NCAA tournament so special?

Is the crappy recruiting class the rotten cherry on top on the pu-pu platter?

If the decision-makers don't realize that Cincy isn't good, and this is the basis to ignore all the reasons a change has to be made, this explains how Pastner got a $16 million extension with no out in case of poor performance.

Have you got your head stuck deep in the sand or what? They are listed as a 10 seed in latest bracketology.

(02-06-2016 07:56 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 03:21 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 02:57 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  I don't. I want him gone, but I seriously think he saved his job today.

What makes a game against another team who isn't going to the NCAA tournament so special?

Is the crappy recruiting class the rotten cherry on top on the pu-pu platter?

If the decision-makers don't realize that Cincy isn't good, and this is the basis to ignore all the reasons a change has to be made, this explains how Pastner got a $16 million extension with no out in case of poor performance.

Have you got your head stuck deep in the sand or what? They are listed as a 10 seed in latest bracketology.

They won't be now.

The day we get excited about a win against a team not in the RPI 50...