(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 09:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe you and your fellow anti everything should stop with the policies causing those jobs to ship out.

Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

I do. That's why I don't vote with you and your anti everything party making policy that cost them their jobs to other countries.

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 09:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe you and your fellow anti everything should stop with the policies causing those jobs to ship out.

Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

We do. That's why we oppose the policies you support.

Companies move jobs offshore for lower costs, lower taxes, and less intrusive regulations. Your side's solutions are still higher costs, still higher taxes, and still more intrusive regulations. How do you expect that to work?

(02-08-2016 12:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 09:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe you and your fellow anti everything should stop with the policies causing those jobs to ship out.

Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

We do. That's why we oppose the policies you support.

Companies move jobs offshore for lower costs, lower taxes, and less intrusive regulations. Your side's solutions are still higher costs, still higher taxes, and still more intrusive regulations. How do you expect that to work?

Where is Walmart going?

(02-08-2016 12:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 09:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe you and your fellow anti everything should stop with the policies causing those jobs to ship out.

Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

I do. That's why I don't vote with you and your anti everything party making policy that cost them their jobs to other countries.

The hypocrisy is unreal. You are now for a government sponsored company (Walmart) that uses tax payer welfare to supplement their payroll in order to keep their prices low and undercut local competition.

(02-07-2016 07:49 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 05:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 04:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why should Wal-Mart or anyone else have to pay $15 to someone for $7 worth of work?

Because YOU and I have to pay for the other $8 that they make in welfare.

So you are only okay with them making a "living wage" as long as somebody else has to pay for it?

What did Margaret Thatcher say, the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of somebody else's money?

And remember, Wal-Mart doesn't pay it, they just charge us more when we shop there, so either way we pay. Or they lay them off, so now we are paying $15. And those people who get the extra $8 are disproportionately represented among the crowd that shop at Wal-Mart, so they arguably lose money in the deal if Wal-Mart pays.

Either way I'm paying, only when Walmart charges more they aren't gaming the system.

This post alone show just how fcked up your view of capitalism is. Someone should pin this for ever so everyone can remember it.

(02-08-2016 04:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 09:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe you and your fellow anti everything should stop with the policies causing those jobs to ship out.

Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

We do. That's why we oppose the policies you support.

Companies move jobs offshore for lower costs, lower taxes, and less intrusive regulations. Your side's solutions are still higher costs, still higher taxes, and still more intrusive regulations. How do you expect that to work?

Where is Walmart going?

You are obsessed with Walmart. A company BTW that I think you know absolutely zero about. The fact is that if you work there long enough you are given lots of opportunities for advancement and the chance to make that living wage that you so desperately want for everyone. Walmart is not the evil in America....people like you are the evil. You want that guy at Walmart who worked his ass off and achieved a higher wage to suddenly be paid the same as one of the schlubs coming off the street for their first job with nothing to show. How would you feel if you were in his shoes?
That thought is despicable.

(02-08-2016 04:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 09:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe you and your fellow anti everything should stop with the policies causing those jobs to ship out.

Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

We do. That's why we oppose the policies you support.
Companies move jobs offshore for lower costs, lower taxes, and less intrusive regulations. Your side's solutions are still higher costs, still higher taxes, and still more intrusive regulations. How do you expect that to work?

Where is Walmart going?

Wan-Mart isn't going anywhere. They are retail. They have to locate next to their customers.

But manufacturing can leave. And does. And that's where the high paying jobs are.

if you think a great economy is a bunch of Wal-Marts and other retail stores paying everybody the minimum wage, then you're on the right track. If that's not your ideal, then you need to change your tune. You're not going to solve the problems by converting retail jobs to high pay.

The reason Wal-Mart can play people $8/hour is that nobody else is offering them $8.25. Their skills aren't worth it. If they can go to Costco for $15/hour, then they should go to Costco instead of complaining about Wal-Mart. But Costco won't hire them because Costco doesn't want them. If they don't have Wal-Mart, they are on the street. Instead of complaining about Wal-Mart, you (and they) should be thanking God for Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart succeeded because somebody saw a need and figured out a better way to make money meeting it. The left can't stand successful people.

Again, why should Wal-Mart have to pay somebody $15 to do $7 worth of work? If they are paying $15, they are going to want $15 of work in return. People who can't produce that will be on the street.

(02-08-2016 06:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 04:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 09:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe you and your fellow anti everything should stop with the policies causing those jobs to ship out.

Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

We do. That's why we oppose the policies you support.
Companies move jobs offshore for lower costs, lower taxes, and less intrusive regulations. Your side's solutions are still higher costs, still higher taxes, and still more intrusive regulations. How do you expect that to work?

Where is Walmart going?

Wan-Mart isn't going anywhere. They are retail. They have to locate next to their customers.

But manufacturing can leave. And does. And that's where the high paying jobs are.

if you think a great economy is a bunch of Wal-Marts and other retail stores paying everybody the minimum wage, then you're on the right track. If that's not your ideal, then you need to change your tune. You're not going to solve the problems by converting retail jobs to high pay.

The reason Wal-Mart can play people $8/hour is that nobody else is offering them $8.25. Their skills aren't worth it. If they can go to Costco for $15/hour, then they should go to Costco instead of complaining about Wal-Mart. But Costco won't hire them because Costco doesn't want them. If they don't have Wal-Mart, they are on the street. Instead of complaining about Wal-Mart, you (and they) should be thanking God for Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart succeeded because somebody saw a need and figured out a better way to make money meeting it. The left can't stand successful people.

Again, why should Wal-Mart have to pay somebody $15 to do $7 worth of work? If they are paying $15, they are going to want $15 of work in return. People who can't produce that will be on the street.

How in hell do you quantify what $7 worth of work is? Or $15?

Is a stockbroker worth more per hour than someone teaching kids? Is a paramedic worth less than a realtor?

I don't know why you think the 'left' can't stand 'successful' people. What I can't stand are those who take more than they give back. And those who think just because they have opportunity, everyone has the same opportunity.

I respect successful people, especially those who've overcome odds to become successful. Those born with silver spoons in their mouths, not so much, unless they do no harm or, better yet, use those advantages for a greater good.

(02-08-2016 06:25 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 07:49 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 05:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 04:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why should Wal-Mart or anyone else have to pay $15 to someone for $7 worth of work?

Because YOU and I have to pay for the other $8 that they make in welfare.

So you are only okay with them making a "living wage" as long as somebody else has to pay for it?

What did Margaret Thatcher say, the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of somebody else's money?

And remember, Wal-Mart doesn't pay it, they just charge us more when we shop there, so either way we pay. Or they lay them off, so now we are paying $15. And those people who get the extra $8 are disproportionately represented among the crowd that shop at Wal-Mart, so they arguably lose money in the deal if Wal-Mart pays.

Either way I'm paying, only when Walmart charges more they aren't gaming the system.

This post alone show just how fcked up your view of capitalism is. Someone should pin this for ever so everyone can remember it.

This post shows how in the tank you are for corporate interests. Again, why should my tax dollars subsidize corporations payrolls?

(02-08-2016 06:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 04:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 09:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Maybe you and your fellow anti everything should stop with the policies causing those jobs to ship out.

Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

We do. That's why we oppose the policies you support.
Companies move jobs offshore for lower costs, lower taxes, and less intrusive regulations. Your side's solutions are still higher costs, still higher taxes, and still more intrusive regulations. How do you expect that to work?

Where is Walmart going?

Wan-Mart isn't going anywhere. They are retail. They have to locate next to their customers.

But manufacturing can leave. And does. And that's where the high paying jobs are.

if you think a great economy is a bunch of Wal-Marts and other retail stores paying everybody the minimum wage, then you're on the right track. If that's not your ideal, then you need to change your tune. You're not going to solve the problems by converting retail jobs to high pay.

The reason Wal-Mart can play people $8/hour is that nobody else is offering them $8.25. Their skills aren't worth it. If they can go to Costco for $15/hour, then they should go to Costco instead of complaining about Wal-Mart. But Costco won't hire them because Costco doesn't want them. If they don't have Wal-Mart, they are on the street. Instead of complaining about Wal-Mart, you (and they) should be thanking God for Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart succeeded because somebody saw a need and figured out a better way to make money meeting it. The left can't stand successful people.

Again, why should Wal-Mart have to pay somebody $15 to do $7 worth of work? If they are paying $15, they are going to want $15 of work in return. People who can't produce that will be on the street.

That ship has sailed. The manufacturing jobs have already left because Wal-mart squeezed their suppliers to get lower prices which ultimately killed the local mom and pop stores while using tax payer welfare to subsidize their payrolls.

It's not really about what Wal-mart chooses to pay their employees. Let them pay market value, but the market value is skewed when those employees are supported by the government. Get rid of the welfare and let's see the real value of those employees.

(02-08-2016 08:41 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 06:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 04:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

We do. That's why we oppose the policies you support.
Companies move jobs offshore for lower costs, lower taxes, and less intrusive regulations. Your side's solutions are still higher costs, still higher taxes, and still more intrusive regulations. How do you expect that to work?

Where is Walmart going?

Wan-Mart isn't going anywhere. They are retail. They have to locate next to their customers.

But manufacturing can leave. And does. And that's where the high paying jobs are.

if you think a great economy is a bunch of Wal-Marts and other retail stores paying everybody the minimum wage, then you're on the right track. If that's not your ideal, then you need to change your tune. You're not going to solve the problems by converting retail jobs to high pay.

The reason Wal-Mart can play people $8/hour is that nobody else is offering them $8.25. Their skills aren't worth it. If they can go to Costco for $15/hour, then they should go to Costco instead of complaining about Wal-Mart. But Costco won't hire them because Costco doesn't want them. If they don't have Wal-Mart, they are on the street. Instead of complaining about Wal-Mart, you (and they) should be thanking God for Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart succeeded because somebody saw a need and figured out a better way to make money meeting it. The left can't stand successful people.

Again, why should Wal-Mart have to pay somebody $15 to do $7 worth of work? If they are paying $15, they are going to want $15 of work in return. People who can't produce that will be on the street.

How in hell do you quantify what $7 worth of work is? Or $15?

Is a stockbroker worth more per hour than someone teaching kids? Is a paramedic worth less than a realtor?

I don't know why you think the 'left' can't stand 'successful' people. What I can't stand are those who take more than they give back. And those who think just because they have opportunity, everyone has the same opportunity.

I respect successful people, especially those who've overcome odds to become successful. Those born with silver spoons in their mouths, not so much, unless they do no harm or, better yet, use those advantages for a greater good.

If you're paying 7 and people are lining up, it's worth 7. If you can't fill positions for less than 15, it's 15.

"What I can't stand are those who take more than they give back."
"How in hell do you quantify" that?

(02-08-2016 08:41 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  Those born with silver spoons in their mouths, not so much, unless they do no harm or, better yet, use those advantages for a greater good.

Greed and envy. The hallmarks of left-wing politics.

(02-08-2016 08:41 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  How in hell do you quantify what $7 worth of work is? Or $15?

Simple. If you won't do it for $6.75, and nobody will pay you $7.25 to do it, that's $7 worth of work.

That's one (of many) factors that you overlook. The people making $8/hour at Wal-Mart are not making $15/hour at Costco because Costco doesn't want them and won't pay them$15/hour.

(02-08-2016 09:06 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 06:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 04:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Maybe you should try GAF about the American worker.

We do. That's why we oppose the policies you support.
Companies move jobs offshore for lower costs, lower taxes, and less intrusive regulations. Your side's solutions are still higher costs, still higher taxes, and still more intrusive regulations. How do you expect that to work?

Where is Walmart going?

Wan-Mart isn't going anywhere. They are retail. They have to locate next to their customers.

But manufacturing can leave. And does. And that's where the high paying jobs are.

if you think a great economy is a bunch of Wal-Marts and other retail stores paying everybody the minimum wage, then you're on the right track. If that's not your ideal, then you need to change your tune. You're not going to solve the problems by converting retail jobs to high pay.

The reason Wal-Mart can play people $8/hour is that nobody else is offering them $8.25. Their skills aren't worth it. If they can go to Costco for $15/hour, then they should go to Costco instead of complaining about Wal-Mart. But Costco won't hire them because Costco doesn't want them. If they don't have Wal-Mart, they are on the street. Instead of complaining about Wal-Mart, you (and they) should be thanking God for Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart succeeded because somebody saw a need and figured out a better way to make money meeting it. The left can't stand successful people.

Again, why should Wal-Mart have to pay somebody $15 to do $7 worth of work? If they are paying $15, they are going to want $15 of work in return. People who can't produce that will be on the street.

That ship has sailed. The manufacturing jobs have already left because Wal-mart squeezed their suppliers to get lower prices which ultimately killed the local mom and pop stores while using tax payer welfare to subsidize their payrolls.

It's not really about what Wal-mart chooses to pay their employees. Let them pay market value, but the market value is skewed when those employees are supported by the government. Get rid of the welfare and let's see the real value of those employees.

you just bled red.....lmao....

the inconsistency from the blue....

(02-08-2016 09:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 08:41 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  Those born with silver spoons in their mouths, not so much, unless they do no harm or, better yet, use those advantages for a greater good.

Greed and envy. The hallmarks of left-wing politics.

this