OSU

Cincinnati

Xavier

Dayton/ five MAC schools

Cleveland St

A little bit of everything in these schools.
A P5 top of G5 a P5 level basketball in Xavier and average G5 programs. Maybe having hockey raises a program over another.

this is a lazy question if you're not even going to list the 6 (not 5) MAC schools. Miami(OH) has one of the 20 winningest programs in football, a bball program with 17 NCAA appearances and a regularly top ranked hockey program but you don't even list them individually? You suggest having a hockey program might lift one program over another, with that criteria, how can you list Xavier, a school that doesn't have the biggest sport (football) or ones that do?

I'm confused by your list and the criteria.

(02-06-2016 11:40 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  this is a lazy question if you're not even going to list the 6 (not 5) MAC schools. Miami(OH) has one of the 20 winningest programs in football, a bball program with 17 NCAA appearances and a regularly top ranked hockey program but you don't even list them individually? You suggest having a hockey program might lift one program over another, with that criteria, how can you list Xavier, a school that doesn't have the biggest sport (football) or ones that do?

I'm confused by your list and the criteria.

It's a stupid pointless thread, which I'm guessing was a way to degrade the MAC schools, but all it did was make the poster look foolish with their Xavier crap.

There seems to be no rationale for the rankings here by the OP. If we rank them historically by football only, Miami would be #2. If we ranked them by hockey success you would lose all schools but OSU, BGSU, and Miami. Basketball would be fun to rank because Dayton, OSU, Cincinnati have won national titles, where Xavier, Miami, and the others have all had success at one time or another. If we ranked them by current success in football then we can argue where does Toledo, BGSU, and Ohio rank. The post would be fun if the OP had criteria for the rankings.

(02-06-2016 12:02 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  It's a stupid pointless thread, which I'm guessing was a way to degrade the MAC schools,

Yep. For what it's worth, Bowling Green is 4-0 all time against Cincinnati in football. The last meeting, in 1994, was a 38-0 shellacking.

A yearly Ohio basketball tourney would be incredibly entertaining.

Make it happen guys...

(02-06-2016 02:44 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 12:02 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  It's a stupid pointless thread, which I'm guessing was a way to degrade the MAC schools,

Yep. For what it's worth, Bowling Green is 4-0 all time against Cincinnati in football. The last meeting, in 1994, was a 38-0 shellacking.

You guys are right it was lazy I am no expert on Ohio .
I think the question is interesting because who else has as diverse a lineup.
Big East AAC and five MAC top G5 conference P6 basketball conference .
The MAC schools also have a nice advantage especially going forward because proximity.

I'm from the Midwest and root for the MAC .
I like Ohio U the best of the MAC schools nice simple uniforms and cool historic stadium. I placed Xavier where I did because of the TV contract and they get to play a Big East schedule. I see the AAC as the old MWC near P5 with no hope of being P6 one day .I place a good bit of value on hockey because it often outdraws basketball.Dayton has a strong A10 basketball program is that equal to MAC ?

(02-06-2016 02:44 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 12:02 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  It's a stupid pointless thread, which I'm guessing was a way to degrade the MAC schools,

Yep. For what it's worth, Bowling Green is 4-0 all time against Cincinnati in football. The last meeting, in 1994, was a 38-0 shellacking.

I did not know that. If it makes you feel any better Cincinnati holds an 8-1 advantage in hoops all time including a 83-50 shellacking on the Falcons' home floor earlier this year.

I respect BGSU since I received my graduate degree there and won't root against them unless they play the Bearcats.

Thumbs up on your Ultraman avatar. I watched that program growing up as a young lad.

(02-06-2016 12:37 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  There seems to be no rationale for the rankings here by the OP. If we rank them historically by football only, Miami would be #2. If we ranked them by hockey success you would lose all schools but OSU, BGSU, and Miami. Basketball would be fun to rank because Dayton, OSU, Cincinnati have won national titles, where Xavier, Miami, and the others have all had success at one time or another. If we ranked them by current success in football then we can argue where does Toledo, BGSU, and Ohio rank. The post would be fun if the OP had criteria for the rankings.

I probably should have left my rankings (not expert) out .
They were more of an idea of how they could be ranked.

1.Conference affiliation and competition
2.Accomplishments of the last twenty years.
3.FBS football
4.hockey

Something like that

Well it really dpends on what you are talking about for instance Kent State overall has had a sad football program for a while now but as an overall athletic dept it has done very.

Since the start of the Sears Cup/Directors cup standings (at least as far as I can find) last year was the first time Kent State was not number one in the standings from the MAC (it was number 2) and I think it was ahead of Cincinnati as well.

Kent State has had a top 25 team or national champion in every mens sport outside of cross country in the last 15 years. In many more than once. Kent State has had a lot of success in basketball, wrestling, golf, and baseball.

Now does that make it the best? Well to most here football matters a lot and outside of the 70s and one time recently Kent State has been average at best and usually very bad especially in the 80s-90s. So in that case many probably would discount the overall success.

Same could probably be said about other Ohio schools. BGSU, Youngstown State, and Ohio all have had national championships in football at various times so does that make them better? I think you would really need to evaluate what you want to rank.

Because its basketball season I'll narrow it down to just men's bball, and instead of ranking them I'll offer a list of D1 bball programs in the state of Ohio sorted by number of NCAA Tournament appearances-

29 Cincinnati
27 Ohio State
25 Xavier
17 Miami
16 Dayton
13 OHIO
5 Kent State
4 Akron
4 Bowling Green
4 Toledo
2 Cleveland State
2 Wright State
0 Youngstown State


A Battle for Ohio match up would be fun, maybe as annual late season game, like a Bracketbuster type setup where the 12 teams not too afraid to play an instate opponent <*cough*Ohio State*cough*> go head to head.


Here's the current RPI ranking for the schools-

5 Xavier
11 Dayton
50 Akron
68 Cincinnati
86 Ohio St
94 Kent St
111 OHIO
158 Wright St
174 Toledo
212 Bowling Green
215 Youngstown St
239 Miami
272 Cleveland St

When creating matchups you would have to try to avoid 2 teams from the same conference playing each other. A potential pairing this year might looks like this-

50 Akron
5 Xavier

94 Kent St
11 Dayton

111 Ohio
68 Cincinnati

174 Toledo
158 Wright St

215 Youngstown St
212 Bowing Green

272 Cleveland St
239 Miami

Might be interesting.

(02-06-2016 07:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  A Battle for Ohio match up would be fun, maybe as annual late season game, like a Bracketbuster type setup where the 12 teams not too afraid to play an instate opponent <*cough*Ohio State*cough*> go head to head.

When creating matchups you would have to try to avoid 2 teams from the same conference playing each other. A potential pairing this year might looks like this-

50 Akron
5 Xavier

94 Kent St
11 Dayton

111 Ohio
68 Cincinnati

174 Toledo
158 Wright St

215 Youngstown St
212 Bowing Green

272 Cleveland St
239 Miami

Might be interesting.

I would rather see a smaller field in an annual early season tourney with maybe 8 teams at a neutral site. To try and entice Ohio State (yeah, right), maybe play at their arena since Columbus is geographically central Ohio. To your point, you would have to rotate teams to avoid in-conference matchups where possible (at least in the first round) or a game like Cincinnati vs. Xavier since they play every year anyway. However it could be done would be a great showcase for the State of Ohio IMO.

(02-06-2016 07:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Because its basketball season I'll narrow it down to just men's bball, and instead of ranking them I'll offer a list of D1 bball programs in the state of Ohio sorted by number of NCAA Tournament appearances-

29 Cincinnati
27 Ohio State
25 Xavier
17 Miami
16 Dayton
13 OHIO
5 Kent State
4 Akron
4 Bowling Green
4 Toledo
2 Cleveland State
2 Wright State
0 Youngstown State


A Battle for Ohio match up would be fun, maybe as annual late season game, like a Bracketbuster type setup where the 12 teams not too afraid to play an instate opponent <*cough*Ohio State*cough*> go head to head.


Here's the current RPI ranking for the schools-

5 Xavier
11 Dayton
50 Akron
68 Cincinnati
86 Ohio St
94 Kent St
111 OHIO
158 Wright St
174 Toledo
212 Bowling Green
215 Youngstown St
239 Miami
272 Cleveland St

When creating matchups you would have to try to avoid 2 teams from the same conference playing each other. A potential pairing this year might looks like this-

50 Akron
5 Xavier

94 Kent St
11 Dayton

111 OHIO
68 Cincinnati

174 Toledo
158 Wright St

215 Youngstown St
212 Bowing Green

272 Cleveland St
239 Miami

Might be interesting.

FIFY - You owe me one. You'll understand once you figure out what I did :)

(02-06-2016 07:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Because its basketball season I'll narrow it down to just men's bball, and instead of ranking them I'll offer a list of D1 bball programs in the state of Ohio sorted by number of NCAA Tournament appearances-

29 Cincinnati
27 Ohio State
25 Xavier
17 Miami
16 Dayton
13 OHIO
5 Kent State
4 Akron
4 Bowling Green
4 Toledo
2 Cleveland State
2 Wright State
0 Youngstown State

I was wondering when Youngstown would wander back to Ohio, when in the original post it seemed like it had wandered over to Pennsylvania.

Would you rather be Xavier and no football but excellent basketball conference?

Cincinnati is clearly in a better position.

Having hockey might put a school ahead of a school that is better in football and basketball.
Harder to start hockey than to hire a better bball football coach.

(02-06-2016 10:39 PM)MJG Wrote:  Would you rather be Xavier and no football but excellent basketball conference?

Cincinnati is clearly in a better position.

Having hockey might put a school ahead of a school that is better in football and basketball.
Harder to start hockey than to hire a better bball football coach.

Disagree strongly.

UC in the AAC is in the "have not" category and cannot sustain it's athletics budget (already heavily subsidized) over the long-haul. It's simply untenable.

Xavier in the Big East is clearly in the "HAVE" category and the future is sunny.

It's not even an argument. That's why UC needs to get out of the American.

(02-06-2016 11:04 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(02-06-2016 10:39 PM)MJG Wrote:  Would you rather be Xavier and no football but excellent basketball conference?

Cincinnati is clearly in a better position.

Having hockey might put a school ahead of a school that is better in football and basketball.
Harder to start hockey than to hire a better bball football coach.

Disagree strongly.

UC in the AAC is in the "have not" category and cannot sustain it's athletics budget (already heavily subsidized) over the long-haul. It's simply untenable.

Xavier in the Big East is clearly in the "HAVE" category and the future is sunny.

It's not even an argument. That's why UC needs to get out of the American.

That's why I don't think Toledo would join the AAC. If UC isn't there we have no history with any of the other schools. But I also think if UC is in the AAC, they won't let Toledo in.

I think in Ohio it's more of a sport by sport thing....

OSU Football
Xavier Basketball
Miami Hockey
Ohio Volleyball
Kent State Baseball
Akron Soccer

OSU isn't a dominant brand outside of football.

Cincinnati is #2 in FB and BB.

Ohio is solid in most sports (FB, MBB, WBB, Volleyball, Baseball, Wrestling, Golf)

Horizon schools are toward the bottom.

Bowling Green is the MAC champion in football (for the 12th time) and they went 2-0 against the Big Ten last year. Bowling Green hockey is also good (the Falcons were the very last team left out of the NCAA tournament last year). The Falcon women's basketball team is historically the best in the MAC.

So is Bowling Green's overall athletic program preferable to Xavier? I sure think so. But I prefer football and hockey to basketball. if you think men's college basketball is important, you would probably disagree.

Xavier fans would also probably point to the fact that Bowling Green's previous athletic director left for Xavier. Some Falcons fans might respond that they don't miss that guy very much.

I'm not jealous of Xavier, and they probably aren't jealous of Bowling Green. Different strokes, and all that.

(02-07-2016 12:57 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Bowling Green is the MAC champion in football (for the 12th time) and they went 2-0 against the Big Ten last year. Bowling Green hockey is also good (the Falcons were the very last team left out of the NCAA tournament last year). The Falcon women's basketball team is historically the best in the MAC.

So is Bowling Green's overall athletic program preferable to Xavier? I sure think so. But I prefer football and hockey to basketball. if you think men's college basketball is important, you would probably disagree.

Xavier fans would also probably point to the fact that Bowling Green's previous athletic director left for Xavier. Some Falcons fans might respond that they don't miss that guy very much.

I'm not jealous of Xavier, and they probably aren't jealous of Bowling Green. Different strokes, and all that.

Good post Ohio has an interesting group of schools.
I am a Michigan fan and dislike OSU but like the other Ohio schools.
I hope Cincinnati gets in the Big 12 but doesn't act like OSU when that happens.
Bowling Green can have strong football and hockey makes you wonder why every Big Ten school doesn't have hockey.