NCAA needs to do a new rule. No school after the first day of the season is allowed to impose upon itself a postseason ban. Or they can, but it would not be considered as an applicable punishment. So if Louisville did what they did today, and the infractions committee says they get a 2 year postseason ban, they would be missing the tourney in 17 and 18, regardless of what they did today.

I'm ok with what Louisville did today as a legit self-imposed ban because the team is ranked and would have played in the NCAA tournament.

I would not be ok with a basketball team in the middle of a bad season self-imposing a ban when they had little or no chance of being selected for the NCAA tournament, or a football team self-imposing a bowl ban after they've already lost 7 games.

Really the NCAA should look at whether the self-imposed ban has real consequences, and just give the school no credit if a bad team bans itself from postseason play.

Personally, I disagree with post-season bans altogether.

It punishes players that likely had nothing to do with the infractions. Also punishes fans, boosters, possibly coaches and admin, etc. I see no reason that players on SMU and Louisville that had nothing to do with their coaches infractions should have to suffer, for example.


Take away scholarships, recruiting allowances (number of visits, etc.), restrict recruiting class size even.

(02-06-2016 10:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Personally, I disagree with post-season bans altogether.

It punishes players that likely had nothing to do with the infractions. Also punishes fans, boosters, possibly coaches and admin, etc. I see no reason that players on SMU and Louisville that had nothing to do with their coaches infractions should have to suffer, for example.


Take away scholarships, recruiting allowances (number of visits, etc.), restrict recruiting class size even.

I tend to agree about post-season bans. I also think that vacating wins is a ridiculous punishment, that accomplishes nothing. It is the equivalent of saying "the jury will disregard that testimony".

I would suggest that one punishment with real teeth would be to impose a fine equal to a percentage of the school's athletics revenues. Wouldn't it be nice if all the money collected was distributed equally among the non-P5 schools?

You could also punish the coaches who do the infractions more seriously. Maybe a one year suspension from coaching, for repeat, serious offenders. Big fines. Garnish wages. Make them do community service.

(02-06-2016 10:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Personally, I disagree with post-season bans altogether.

It punishes players that likely had nothing to do with the infractions. Also punishes fans, boosters, possibly coaches and admin, etc. I see no reason that players on SMU and Louisville that had nothing to do with their coaches infractions should have to suffer, for example.


Take away scholarships, recruiting allowances (number of visits, etc.), restrict recruiting class size even.

Also agree. Punishing the student athletes who had nothing to do with the infractions is a load of crap...especially when it's their last year of eligibility.

The heaviest penalty should fall on the Head Coach.

If the NCAA wants to be serious about the punishment as well as doing the right thing for the kids it should not allow a program to put a post season ban on itself for the current season, only the next season moving forward, and the second part is to allow the players on the roster of any team that puts itself on or receives a post season ban from the NCAA to transfer and be eligible immediately and not have to sit out for a season.

This way it will not penalize the kids and by making it easy to transfer with no waiting you have the potential for the program being penalized to feel the effects for 2 or 3 seasons through recruiting problems and the transfer of the upper classmen star players.

But all this would make too much sense and actually punish a program for rules and ethics violations, and we all know the NCAA really doesn’t want that with its big name programs.

I agree, in Louisville case the ban should be for next season & UofL should forgo any tourney credits earned & pay the tourney costs themselves. This helps remove the burden of punishment from the student athletes & puts it on the university where it belongs.

Let the incoming kids or the kids not involved a chance to transfer out of the school to another one without any penalties. Other schools would love to have them.

(02-06-2016 04:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Let the incoming kids or the kids not involved a chance to transfer out of the school to another one without any penalties. Other schools would love to have them.

That's the penalty UofL avoided by imposing a post season ban this year.

Pitinos post game press conference.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo.../79929332/

Saying the "system is broken," Pitino suggested that the NCAA should begin hitting schools that commit violations with severe financial penalties instead of sanctions on the student-athletes, especially if the players were not involved with the violations.

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He said a $10-15 million fine for the school, for example, would make sense, along with docking half of the salaries of the coaches involved in the case, whether or not they knew the violations were being committed. Those changes won't help U of L now, Pitino said, but the NCAA "should start thinking about it."
That way, he said, "innocent people will not pay the price."
You should kill the university's pocketbook right away and take that money and put it in a scholarship for needy kids to go to college," Pitino said. "This is wrong. It's a bad system. That doesn't mean we were not wrong in what we've done. With the limited knowledge of what I know, we were wrong. It should've never gone on. It turns my stomach."

That's the right thing to say, in my book. Let's see if anything comes of it.

(02-06-2016 05:19 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Pitinos post game press conference.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo.../79929332/

Saying the "system is broken," Pitino suggested that the NCAA should begin hitting schools that commit violations with severe financial penalties instead of sanctions on the student-athletes, especially if the players were not involved with the violations.

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He said a $10-15 million fine for the school, for example, would make sense, along with docking half of the salaries of the coaches involved in the case, whether or not they knew the violations were being committed. Those changes won't help U of L now, Pitino said, but the NCAA "should start thinking about it."
That way, he said, "innocent people will not pay the price."
You should kill the university's pocketbook right away and take that money and put it in a scholarship for needy kids to go to college," Pitino said. "This is wrong. It's a bad system. That doesn't mean we were not wrong in what we've done. With the limited knowledge of what I know, we were wrong. It should've never gone on. It turns my stomach."

I agree with Pitino, but anything he says will only be perceived of him trying to save his own a$$.

Regardless, the biggest part of the punishment should fall on the coach...whether that means a full year suspension, substantial salary cut, and/or immediate dismissal is up for debate...

Again...don't punish the student-athletes who had nothing to do with the infractions.

If he voluntarily gave up part of his salary to a scholarship fund -- a sort've "personal self-administered punishment" -- that would go a ways towards proving his sincerity.

With the coaching salaries as they are now, stiff financial penalties & suspensions may be the best way to clean up the game. I don't have a problem with finning universities as well.

Yeah.

I mean ... I think it'd be hard to find any fan of college basketball who would rather punish the players for rules infractions performed by coaches looking for an edge, than punishing the coaches' pocketbooks.


Seems like a no brainer.

In Finland speeding ticket fines are based on your income. No reason NCAA couldn't do similar.

Likewise, the NCAA hasn't used the TV ban in a long time. I'd like to see them consider offering a school a choice, you can be banned from television OR you can appear but have to forego your share of the TV money.