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Thoughts? They're recommending the BAC limit for drivers to be a .05 (1 drink or less)

(02-05-2016 02:38 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  LINK

Thoughts? They're recommending the BAC limit for drivers to be a .05 (1 drink or less)

I thought that was 2.5 drinks.

I thought each drink roughly raises a person's BAC up .02

I'll say good idea. .08 is just a tease to keep drinking. I say up the risk to make people think about driving even after one drink. Because in reality, they shouldn't.

Edit: but I just realized something as simple as mouthwash could put you right there. So I don't know.

Yes. This is just what we need. More people in jail.

(02-05-2016 02:44 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yes. This is just what we need. More people in jail.

Its better than more innocent people in graves.

2 drinks per hour for a 180lb man keeps you under I believe.

Seems like a money grab to me. Lots of money made off of DUIs.

40 years ago it was "don't drive drunk"

then no drinking and driving

then no open containers

now this "buzzed" driving crap

anyone see a slippery slope?

(02-05-2016 02:40 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  I'll say good idea. .08 is just a tease to keep drinking. I say up the risk to make people think about driving even after one drink. Because in reality, they shouldn't.

Edit: but I just realized something as simple as mouthwash could put you right there. So I don't know.

I say bad idea. @ .05 cops could pretty much charge anybody driving away from a bar at closing time.

You could gargle with mouthwash and blow above that number.

(02-05-2016 02:40 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  I'll say good idea. .08 is just a tease to keep drinking. I say up the risk to make people think about driving even after one drink. Because in reality, they shouldn't.

Edit: but I just realized something as simple as mouthwash could put you right there. So I don't know.

Give me a break. The people you need to worry about aren't the ones that had a drink, or even 2 or 3 or 4.

(02-05-2016 02:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:44 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yes. This is just what we need. More people in jail.

Its better than more innocent people in graves.

You have a link that shows someone with a .05 killing someone due to their intoxication... ever?

(02-05-2016 03:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:44 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yes. This is just what we need. More people in jail.

Its better than more innocent people in graves.

You have a link that shows someone with a .05 killing someone due to their intoxication... ever?

It may have happened..but..it has to be extremely rare. I did have work friend that was an extreme "lightweight". One beer and he acts like someone that had 6. I wonder if some people are genetically inclined to a very low tolerance for booze?

(02-05-2016 03:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 03:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:44 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yes. This is just what we need. More people in jail.

Its better than more innocent people in graves.

You have a link that shows someone with a .05 killing someone due to their intoxication... ever?

It may have happened..but..it has to be extremely rare. I did have work friend that was an extreme "lightweight". One beer and he acts like someone that had 6. I wonder if some people are genetically inclined to a very low tolerance for booze?

It never happened due to intoxication. It might have happened because they were eating, texting, or falling asleep from lack of it, but not because they were intoxicated.

Slightly off topic but I recently saw an old movie on TCM with Fred MacMurry. He was narrating like an old private eye movie that "He had some time on his hands and he stopped by the drive in for a beer"

The scene showed him in his car, behind the wheel with a Sonic type window tray with a large beer and a glass drinking at the drive-in and sitting at the wheel.

It really cracked me up.

I’m 6’3” 220lbs and I can confidently say that I could go to dinner, have 3-4 pints in an hour and a half or so, and safely operate my vehicle. “Buzzed Driving” is relative, because buzzed means something different to everyone. I would probably walk out of that restaurant (after the 3-4 pints) and have a SLIGHT “loose” or euphoric feeling, that would in NO way hinder my abilities. .05 as the BAC limit is ridiculous, in my opinion.

I find the existing number to be dubious at best. I feel confident of my driving ability even around .12 to .15. I have a smartphone breathalyzer to keep my *** legal.

Breathalyzer protip if you're low carb ketogenic: Refuse it and demand a blood test. Nearly all breathalyzers cannot tell the difference between acetone (deep ketosis byproduct in your breath) and ethanol (alcohol byproduct in your breath). I have blown a .21 stone cold sober but in deep ketosis.

(02-05-2016 04:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I find the existing number to be dubious at best. I feel confident of my driving ability even around .12 to .15. I have a smartphone breathalyzer to keep my *** legal.

Breathalyzer protip if you're low carb ketogenic: Refuse it and demand a blood test. Nearly all breathalyzers cannot tell the difference between acetone (deep ketosis byproduct in your breath) and ethanol (alcohol byproduct in your breath). I have blown a .21 stone cold sober but in deep ketosis.

Not only that, but your BAC goes down big time naturally between the time of the arrest and the time of the blood test. That is likely to be at least an hour. Bottom line is drunks kill people because they pass out at the wheel. It takes a lot more than a couple of drinks for that to happen. If you are following the rules of the road and you don't pass out, you are very little threat of doing anything beyond bumping someone in a parking lot.

(02-05-2016 04:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 04:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I find the existing number to be dubious at best. I feel confident of my driving ability even around .12 to .15. I have a smartphone breathalyzer to keep my *** legal.

Breathalyzer protip if you're low carb ketogenic: Refuse it and demand a blood test. Nearly all breathalyzers cannot tell the difference between acetone (deep ketosis byproduct in your breath) and ethanol (alcohol byproduct in your breath). I have blown a .21 stone cold sober but in deep ketosis.

Not only that, but your BAC goes down big time naturally between the time of the arrest and the time of the blood test. That is likely to be at least an hour. Bottom line is drunks kill people because they pass out at the wheel. It takes a lot more than a couple of drinks for that to happen. If you are following the rules of the road and you don't pass out, you are very little threat of doing anything beyond bumping someone in a parking lot.

People around here are ****** drivers when they are sober. The last thing they need is additional help to be even more ******.

(02-05-2016 03:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:44 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yes. This is just what we need. More people in jail.

Its better than more innocent people in graves.

You have a link that shows someone with a .05 killing someone due to their intoxication... ever?

Is that even collected and reported if its below .08?

And I promoie you, with all of the vehicular homicides out there, that plenty of them would have registered something, legal or not. That would be a losing argument if you want to open up that can of worms.