(02-06-2016 02:53 PM)EffinBJ Wrote:  I was appalled by the narrative ESPN was pushing while watching the game today.

Before the game They had Vitale being completely incredulous that they could do this to poor Rick. Whom he knows so well, and who would never stoop so low (yes, restaurant table Rick). He says he didn't know, so he didn't know. And he even took a lie detector test and passed, per Dick (If we're going to give credence to quackery, wonder if a phrenologist could examine Rick's skull to see if he has the cranial bumps typical of a head coach without "institutional control").

Both Vitale and the UC/Memphis announcers kept banging on about how unfair this was to the team. How cruel it was for the poor kids, who are playing so well this year and had nothing to do with it. . And particularly, to the sainted graduate transfers, who wanted only to spend a mercenary like season competing against kids five years younger. Since the hookers hadn't been used when they were recruited, it was unfair.

I don't get any of this. Should SMU not have been penalized in the 80s because a walk on didn't get paid?

I wish that when you turn on a game to watch, the announcers would just call the game and leave the constant editorializing to the studio loudmouths. Anyone that wants to watch that ****, can.

Yes Rick is a totally upstanding person. We need to ignore his scrxwing an assistant coaches wife on a dining table in an Italian Bistro. Remember Vitale is a close clan of the Pitino's.

(02-07-2016 11:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:44 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  People that blame refs blow my mind. Why are the refs against UC? Do they hate the institution? Hate Mick Cronin? Hate the city? Do they all have money against UC? Not just UC though, they ALL also hate the Bengals and the Reds. Get a grip. Reffing does not cost UC any games and it sure as hell had nothing to do with the loss yesterday. If the game comes down to one play and the refs blow it that's on the team and coaches.

Also what I always say to people who ***** about refs is to get out there and give it a try. It is not easy and you make mistakes.

I agree officiating had nothing to do with the loss yesterday.

On a larger scale, I have even heard people associated with the athletic dept say the officiating has not been kind to UC this year across the board.

So you believe there is a conspiracy against UC?

(02-07-2016 03:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:44 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  People that blame refs blow my mind. Why are the refs against UC? Do they hate the institution? Hate Mick Cronin? Hate the city? Do they all have money against UC? Not just UC though, they ALL also hate the Bengals and the Reds. Get a grip. Reffing does not cost UC any games and it sure as hell had nothing to do with the loss yesterday. If the game comes down to one play and the refs blow it that's on the team and coaches.

Also what I always say to people who ***** about refs is to get out there and give it a try. It is not easy and you make mistakes.

I agree officiating had nothing to do with the loss yesterday.

On a larger scale, I have even heard people associated with the athletic dept say the officiating has not been kind to UC this year across the board.

So you believe there is a conspiracy against UC?

Don't straw man the guy. It's easy to mock an absurd statement which "there is a conspiracy against UC" would indeed be.

But no one said that.

My point was that a Pitino or a UNC (or an O$U) are given a longer leash than other schools are. History shows UC is among the large group of schools with the shorter one. See the Loyer incident. Which is hardly the absurd statement that you're setting up to attack.

Likewise, saying that UC has suffered from poor officiating because there is some conspiracy would be worthy of ridicule.

But no one said that.

There are many reasons why a team might suffer from a stretch of "bad calls". The link between black uniforms and fouls/penalties has been shown in enough studies that the correlation is widely accepted. A team's playing style, current or historical, or even their body type can play into how games are called. Famously, Shaq O'neal suffered from fewer foul calls than other players would have received, thought to be because he was such a man-mountain that it was harder to spot the effects of hitting him.

There is also normalization to consider. Baseball statisticians attempt to take into account "luck" (swinging bunts, Texas leaguers, Jose canseco trying to catch your fly ball) and bad luck (atom balls, etc). Over some period, all other things being equal, luck is meant to roughly even out, but that does not mean that one cannot have sustained periods of primarily good, or bad luck.

It is entirely possible that UC is in a period of "bad luck" as pertains to calls. I'm not sure, one would have to seriously study the data. Certainly "bad calls" are more memorable than calls that go your teams way.

In any event, if someone is saying that UC is getting hosed for trying to leave the AAC, or because they're not Freemasons, then by all means unload on them. But distorting an argument in order to dismiss it is intellectually dishonest.

Louiswille is a cesspool. Pittino screw assistant coaches wife's on a table in an Italian Bistro. Pettrino has an Athletic Dept employee as a mistress.

And you expect people to buy that no one knew about strippers and hoes doing recruits and players.

That tests all credulity.

(02-07-2016 06:12 PM)EffinBJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 03:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:44 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  People that blame refs blow my mind. Why are the refs against UC? Do they hate the institution? Hate Mick Cronin? Hate the city? Do they all have money against UC? Not just UC though, they ALL also hate the Bengals and the Reds. Get a grip. Reffing does not cost UC any games and it sure as hell had nothing to do with the loss yesterday. If the game comes down to one play and the refs blow it that's on the team and coaches.

Also what I always say to people who ***** about refs is to get out there and give it a try. It is not easy and you make mistakes.

I agree officiating had nothing to do with the loss yesterday.

On a larger scale, I have even heard people associated with the athletic dept say the officiating has not been kind to UC this year across the board.

So you believe there is a conspiracy against UC?

Don't straw man the guy. It's easy to mock an absurd statement which "there is a conspiracy against UC" would indeed be.

But no one said that.

My point was that a Pitino or a UNC (or an O$U) are given a longer leash than other schools are. History shows UC is among the large group of schools with the shorter one. See the Loyer incident. Which is hardly the absurd statement that you're setting up to attack.

Likewise, saying that UC has suffered from poor officiating because there is some conspiracy would be worthy of ridicule.

But no one said that.

There are many reasons why a team might suffer from a stretch of "bad calls". The link between black uniforms and fouls/penalties has been shown in enough studies that the correlation is widely accepted. A team's playing style, current or historical, or even their body type can play into how games are called. Famously, Shaq O'neal suffered from fewer foul calls than other players would have received, thought to be because he was such a man-mountain that it was harder to spot the effects of hitting him.

There is also normalization to consider. Baseball statisticians attempt to take into account "luck" (swinging bunts, Texas leaguers, Jose canseco trying to catch your fly ball) and bad luck (atom balls, etc). Over some period, all other things being equal, luck is meant to roughly even out, but that does not mean that one cannot have sustained periods of primarily good, or bad luck.

It is entirely possible that UC is in a period of "bad luck" as pertains to calls. I'm not sure, one would have to seriously study the data. Certainly "bad calls" are more memorable than calls that go your teams way.

In any event, if someone is saying that UC is getting hosed for trying to leave the AAC, or because they're not Freemasons, then by all means unload on them. But distorting an argument in order to dismiss it is intellectually dishonest.

What BJ said.

(02-08-2016 08:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:12 PM)EffinBJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 03:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:44 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  People that blame refs blow my mind. Why are the refs against UC? Do they hate the institution? Hate Mick Cronin? Hate the city? Do they all have money against UC? Not just UC though, they ALL also hate the Bengals and the Reds. Get a grip. Reffing does not cost UC any games and it sure as hell had nothing to do with the loss yesterday. If the game comes down to one play and the refs blow it that's on the team and coaches.

Also what I always say to people who ***** about refs is to get out there and give it a try. It is not easy and you make mistakes.

I agree officiating had nothing to do with the loss yesterday.

On a larger scale, I have even heard people associated with the athletic dept say the officiating has not been kind to UC this year across the board.

So you believe there is a conspiracy against UC?

Don't straw man the guy. It's easy to mock an absurd statement which "there is a conspiracy against UC" would indeed be.

But no one said that.

My point was that a Pitino or a UNC (or an O$U) are given a longer leash than other schools are. History shows UC is among the large group of schools with the shorter one. See the Loyer incident. Which is hardly the absurd statement that you're setting up to attack.

Likewise, saying that UC has suffered from poor officiating because there is some conspiracy would be worthy of ridicule.

But no one said that.

There are many reasons why a team might suffer from a stretch of "bad calls". The link between black uniforms and fouls/penalties has been shown in enough studies that the correlation is widely accepted. A team's playing style, current or historical, or even their body type can play into how games are called. Famously, Shaq O'neal suffered from fewer foul calls than other players would have received, thought to be because he was such a man-mountain that it was harder to spot the effects of hitting him.

There is also normalization to consider. Baseball statisticians attempt to take into account "luck" (swinging bunts, Texas leaguers, Jose canseco trying to catch your fly ball) and bad luck (atom balls, etc). Over some period, all other things being equal, luck is meant to roughly even out, but that does not mean that one cannot have sustained periods of primarily good, or bad luck.

It is entirely possible that UC is in a period of "bad luck" as pertains to calls. I'm not sure, one would have to seriously study the data. Certainly "bad calls" are more memorable than calls that go your teams way.

In any event, if someone is saying that UC is getting hosed for trying to leave the AAC, or because they're not Freemasons, then by all means unload on them. But distorting an argument in order to dismiss it is intellectually dishonest.

What BJ said.

All of these theories that you just put out there, I'd also call conspiracy theories. I don't care if using that word makes the people who believe them look stupid. UC has not lost because of refs. That's the truth.

Maybe Mick could self impose a post season ban this year as a preemptive strike, then he could basically have a free pass to do whatever the hell he wants in recruiting. That's how this works right?

I loved this game day sign when the scandal broke

Hey when I says its Aliens. I MEAN ITS ALIENS.

Ok got it a little wrong.

I am not saying it Aliens.

But its Aliens.

(02-08-2016 09:29 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 08:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:12 PM)EffinBJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 03:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 11:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I agree officiating had nothing to do with the loss yesterday.

On a larger scale, I have even heard people associated with the athletic dept say the officiating has not been kind to UC this year across the board.

So you believe there is a conspiracy against UC?

Don't straw man the guy. It's easy to mock an absurd statement which "there is a conspiracy against UC" would indeed be.

But no one said that.

My point was that a Pitino or a UNC (or an O$U) are given a longer leash than other schools are. History shows UC is among the large group of schools with the shorter one. See the Loyer incident. Which is hardly the absurd statement that you're setting up to attack.

Likewise, saying that UC has suffered from poor officiating because there is some conspiracy would be worthy of ridicule.

But no one said that.

There are many reasons why a team might suffer from a stretch of "bad calls". The link between black uniforms and fouls/penalties has been shown in enough studies that the correlation is widely accepted. A team's playing style, current or historical, or even their body type can play into how games are called. Famously, Shaq O'neal suffered from fewer foul calls than other players would have received, thought to be because he was such a man-mountain that it was harder to spot the effects of hitting him.

There is also normalization to consider. Baseball statisticians attempt to take into account "luck" (swinging bunts, Texas leaguers, Jose canseco trying to catch your fly ball) and bad luck (atom balls, etc). Over some period, all other things being equal, luck is meant to roughly even out, but that does not mean that one cannot have sustained periods of primarily good, or bad luck.

It is entirely possible that UC is in a period of "bad luck" as pertains to calls. I'm not sure, one would have to seriously study the data. Certainly "bad calls" are more memorable than calls that go your teams way.

In any event, if someone is saying that UC is getting hosed for trying to leave the AAC, or because they're not Freemasons, then by all means unload on them. But distorting an argument in order to dismiss it is intellectually dishonest.

What BJ said.

All of these theories that you just put out there, I'd also call conspiracy theories. I don't care if using that word makes the people who believe them look stupid. UC has not lost because of refs. That's the truth.

You're still confused. For example, data shows impact of jersey color

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/26/151383136/...-penalties

In this case a conspiracy theory would require that a group of refs got together and decided that they were going to purposefully make bad calls against a jersey color.

Using the word without understanding what it means...makes you look....what's the word...

UL on prime time tonight and I cannot wait for the announcers to fall all over themselves about poor Tricky Ricky and his team. KY had the Fiddling Five, I guess this UL team might be called "The Boys of Hummer"

(02-08-2016 01:18 PM)doss2 Wrote:  UL on prime time tonight and I cannot wait for the announcers to fall all over themselves about poor Tricky Ricky and his team. KY had the Fiddling Five, I guess this UL team might be called "The Boys of Hummer"

The Cardinal Sinners???

(02-08-2016 11:54 AM)EffinBJ Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 09:29 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 08:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 06:12 PM)EffinBJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2016 03:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  So you believe there is a conspiracy against UC?

Don't straw man the guy. It's easy to mock an absurd statement which "there is a conspiracy against UC" would indeed be.

But no one said that.

My point was that a Pitino or a UNC (or an O$U) are given a longer leash than other schools are. History shows UC is among the large group of schools with the shorter one. See the Loyer incident. Which is hardly the absurd statement that you're setting up to attack.

Likewise, saying that UC has suffered from poor officiating because there is some conspiracy would be worthy of ridicule.

But no one said that.

There are many reasons why a team might suffer from a stretch of "bad calls". The link between black uniforms and fouls/penalties has been shown in enough studies that the correlation is widely accepted. A team's playing style, current or historical, or even their body type can play into how games are called. Famously, Shaq O'neal suffered from fewer foul calls than other players would have received, thought to be because he was such a man-mountain that it was harder to spot the effects of hitting him.

There is also normalization to consider. Baseball statisticians attempt to take into account "luck" (swinging bunts, Texas leaguers, Jose canseco trying to catch your fly ball) and bad luck (atom balls, etc). Over some period, all other things being equal, luck is meant to roughly even out, but that does not mean that one cannot have sustained periods of primarily good, or bad luck.

It is entirely possible that UC is in a period of "bad luck" as pertains to calls. I'm not sure, one would have to seriously study the data. Certainly "bad calls" are more memorable than calls that go your teams way.

In any event, if someone is saying that UC is getting hosed for trying to leave the AAC, or because they're not Freemasons, then by all means unload on them. But distorting an argument in order to dismiss it is intellectually dishonest.

What BJ said.

All of these theories that you just put out there, I'd also call conspiracy theories. I don't care if using that word makes the people who believe them look stupid. UC has not lost because of refs. That's the truth.

You're still confused. For example, data shows impact of jersey color

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/26/151383136/...-penalties

In this case a conspiracy theory would require that a group of refs got together and decided that they were going to purposefully make bad calls against a jersey color.

Using the word without understanding what it means...makes you look....what's the word...

Good god this is insanity. OK I stand corrected UC gets ******* hosed every road game because our jerseys are black?!?!?! We should either not bother to ever play a road game or we should change our damn jersey colors. Wow, I got sucked way to far into this one, that's my fault or maybe it's because my computer is black so I get all amped up when I look at it.

My whole point is that bad calls happen, good teams/coaches deal with it. Bad teams blame them for losses.

UL plays at Duke tonight. Tune in as I bet the Crazies will have some fun with Tricky Dicky and The Boys of Hummers.

(02-08-2016 06:55 PM)doss2 Wrote:  UL plays at Duke tonight. Tune in as I bet the Crazies will have some fun with Tricky Dicky and The Boys of Hummers.

You're rather passionate about this

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