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I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
We'll get there one day, but like the article says, it will be our children and grandchildren that benefit from this, not us.
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We will benefit because OPEC will be dead. All these countries know that they might as well get what they can get while they can.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
Maybe, but I'm more of the opinion Saudi is thinking more about the present and trying kill off American competition.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
No

We need oil and petrochemicals even if you cut out energy.

Oil makes the modern world modern, everything around you has some base in oil and various hydrocarbons.

Saudi Arabia is trying drive the U.S. oil industry out of business to retain their position as the breakover producer.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
We've got cars, boats and planes still running Today( granted not very often) that are over 100 years old that Now run and always will run on gasoline, diesel fuels, and require oil and water/ antifreeze to lubricate and cool. Oil will not go away in any of Our lifetimes no matter what else comes along.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
(02-05-2016 11:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No

We need oil and petrochemicals even if you cut out energy.

Oil makes the modern world modern, everything around you has some base in oil and various hydrocarbons.

Saudi Arabia is trying drive the U.S. oil industry out of business to retain their position as the breakover producer.

YUP damn near everything is made from OIL or one of its refined by products.

http://www.ranken-energy.com/products%20...roleum.htm

ne 42-gallon barrel of oil creates 19.4 gallons of gasoline. The rest (over half) is used to make things like:

Solvents

Diesel fuel

Motor Oil

Bearing Grease

Ink

Floor Wax

Ballpoint Pens

Football Cleats

Upholstery

Sweaters

Boats

Insecticides

Bicycle Tires

Sports Car Bodies

Nail Polish

Fishing lures

Dresses

Tires

Golf Bags

Perfumes

Cassettes

Dishwasher parts

Tool Boxes

Shoe Polish

Motorcycle Helmet

Caulking

Petroleum Jelly

Transparent Tape

CD Player

Faucet Washers

Antiseptics

Clothesline

Curtains

Food Preservatives

Basketballs

Soap

Vitamin Capsules

Antihistamines

Purses

Shoes

Dashboards

Cortisone

Deodorant

Footballs

Putty

Dyes

Panty Hose

Refrigerant

Percolators

Life Jackets

Rubbing Alcohol

Linings

Skis

TV Cabinets

Shag Rugs

Electrician's Tape

Tool Racks

Car Battery Cases

Epoxy

Paint

Mops

Slacks

Insect Repellent

Oil Filters

Umbrellas

Yarn

Fertilizers

Hair Coloring

Roofing

Toilet Seats

Fishing Rods

Lipstick

Denture Adhesive

Linoleum

Ice Cube Trays

Synthetic Rubber

Speakers

Plastic Wood

Electric Blankets

Glycerin

Tennis Rackets

Rubber Cement

Fishing Boots

Dice

Nylon Rope

Candles

Trash Bags

House Paint

Water Pipes

Hand Lotion

Roller Skates

Surf Boards

Shampoo

Wheels

Paint Rollers

Shower Curtains

Guitar Strings

Luggage

Aspirin

Safety Glasses

Antifreeze

Football Helmets

Awnings

Eyeglasses

Clothes

Toothbrushes

Ice Chests

Footballs

Combs

CD's & DVD's

Paint Brushes

Detergents

Vaporizers

Balloons

Sun Glasses

Tents

Heart Valves

Crayons

Parachutes

Telephones

Enamel

Pillows

Dishes

Cameras

Anesthetics

Artificial Turf

Artificial limbs

Bandages

Dentures

Model Cars

Folding Doors

Hair Curlers

Cold cream

Movie film

Soft Contact lenses

Drinking Cups

Fan Belts

Car Enamel

Shaving Cream

Ammonia

Refrigerators

Golf Balls

Toothpaste

Gasoline

Americans consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half gallons of oil and more than
250 cubic feet of natural gas per day each! But, as shown here petroleum is not just used for fuel.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
Toothpaste?
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(02-05-2016 12:48 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Toothpaste?

Half the pills you take have some base which requires petrochemical bases to manufacture.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
It would really be a shame to burn it all up fueling cars in a few generations.

Polyester outsells cotton for clothes. Its petroleum based. Probably all those people in their Prius's protesting are in polyster clothes.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
(02-05-2016 11:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No

We need oil and petrochemicals even if you cut out energy.

Oil makes the modern world modern, everything around you has some base in oil and various hydrocarbons.

Saudi Arabia is trying drive the U.S. oil industry out of business to retain their position as the breakover producer.

Again, Saudi Arabia hasn't been going after the US.. they'd been going after Russia's oil industry as their primary interest.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
(02-05-2016 02:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 11:25 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No

We need oil and petrochemicals even if you cut out energy.

Oil makes the modern world modern, everything around you has some base in oil and various hydrocarbons.

Saudi Arabia is trying drive the U.S. oil industry out of business to retain their position as the breakover producer.

Again, Saudi Arabia hasn't been going after the US.. they'd been going after Russia's oil industry as their primary interest.

I'm sorry but that is asinine.
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RE: I think this is why Saudi Arabia is pumping while the pumping is good.
Two major factors driving oil prices down and keeping them low have not been discussed in this thread: debt and the Gulf of Mexico:

Oil prices are being driven down by Debt
By Myles Udland Monday, February 8, 2016

The price of oil is being driven down by one simple thing: debt.
In a post on Monday, Mark Dow at Behavioral Macro outlined the simple, but elegant and persuasive theory about why oil prices have been driven so low and why they remain there today.

Quite simply it is about how oil companies were financed.
Here's Dow (emphasis mine):

"But on [the subject of oil] we came away with an answer, something wiser (not smarter, wiser) market types have been suppurating for several months: the supply pressures won’t stop until debt-financed production becomes equity-financed production. It really is that simple."

The reasoning is clear: We know you can’t hold back production to get higher prices later if you have debt to service. Only equity financed production has that luxury.

The process is also clear: The highly leveraged producers drown each other with supply in an attempt to be the last man floating, but ultimately all sink. The equity holders get wiped out and the bond holders become the new equity holders in exchange for writing off their debt claims. Sometimes the new equity holders sell their claims to others in the process. Sometimes they hold on. But either way the new owners have made time their friend instead of their enemy.

And so this is really all about the balance sheets.

Right now oil prices are low as production from both state-owned oil companies and independent shale producers — who have both largely been funded by debt over the last several years with most of this investing done while prices were about triple today's prices — continues to flood an already oversupplied market.

If a company were financed mostly by equity, for example, it might slow production to keep earnings per share afloat or push forward with selling oil at lower prices and leaving fewer earnings (or even losses) for its equity investors.

Of course, this is something equity investors are (in theory) prepared to handle because in order to get a potential shot at huge returns if a business in a success you take these chances on the downside.

But, as Dow notes, since these producers need to pay back their bondholders, who have more senior claims on the company's assets and production than equity holders, companies continue pumping oil to get whatever price they can to bring in whatever cash possible to pay back creditors.

A recent report out from Jaime Caruana at the Bank for International Settlements looked at the relationship between debt and oil companies, finding that oil and gas company bonds outstanding rose from $455 billion in 2006 to $1.4 trillion in 2014 while syndicated loans to the sector increased from $600 billion to $1.6 trillion over the same period.

And recently, this debt has been under considerable stress.

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And driving at the same idea Dow came upon, Caruana wrote:

"More pertinently for the price of oil, there is an impact on production. Highly leveraged producers may attempt to maintain, or even increase, output levels even as the oil price falls in order to remain liquid and to meet interest payments and tighter credit conditions. Second, firms with high debt levels face stronger imperatives to hedge their exposure to highly volatile revenues by selling futures or buying put options in derivatives markets, so as to avoid corporate distress or insolvency if the oil price falls further."

That, it seems, is at least one reason you end up with charts that look like this where supply continues to outpace demand.

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US oil keeps flooding the market — and it's increasingly coming from the Gulf of Mexico
by: Elena Holodny, Business Insider Feb. 3, 2016, 3:10 PM

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US shale production is starting to decline amid lower oil prices.

But overall oil production in the states has remained pretty steady (so far).

And it's because of one reason: the Gulf of Mexico.

The US Energy Information Administration (EIA)'s Petroleum Supply Monthly figures have stayed around 9.3 million barrels per day in the months leading up to November, after falling from their April peak of 9.7 million, according to data cited by RBC Capital Markets.

"The major and often overlooked reason behind the buoyant nature of US production, particularly in the back half of last year, stems from offshore fields in the Gulf of Mexico (GoM) that have offset slowing onshore growth," RBC Capital Markets' Michael Tran wrote in a recent note to clients.

"The bottom line is that US production would have fallen much more quickly had it not been for growth in the Gulf of Mexico," Tran added.

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Although onshore shale has been the dominant growth force in American oil over the last few years, things have started to change.

"[Shale] regions typically have high initial production rates followed by steep declines, meaning that it is natural to assume that production will taper significantly given the low price environment and the lack of additional investment," observes Tran.

On the flip side, the 2015 year-to-date data (which goes through November) from the EIA shows Gulf of Mexico production increasing by 142,000 barrels per day. "And the pipeline of projects suggests that we will see a similar amount of growth again this year," he argued.

The growth is even more noticeable in the data from the latest three months, where the average was over 200 kb/d, Tran added.

As for what this means in the larger scheme of US oil and how it's impacting global markets, Tran wrote:

"The offshore Gulf accounted for virtually all of the growth in November, where GoM production increased by 160 kb/d, while the rest of the country saw production contract by 42 kb/d YoY. This marks the first month in which US production ex-GoM contracted during this price pullback. In other words, the tide is coming out and has taken shale with it, while GoM production remains standing. We expect this trend to continue even as Lower 48 production begins to show significant YoY declines in the coming months, given that many of these long lead-time offshore projects had previously reached final investment decisions during a much higher price environment ... the GoM has and will continue to grow while production in the rest of the country has and will continue to fall."
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