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(02-08-2016 09:21 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 09:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  As I typed that last post it really clicked that my biggest issue with Bailiff is that I have no idea what his plan is and not even his most ardent supporters have been able to articulate what his plan is.

It covers everything from substitutions, to schemes to play calling to coaching hires to discipline to recruiting.

Would you even listen to them if they did?

In my recent post I extrapolated DBs philosophy on player development (something that has been openly discussed).

We know DB wants to recruit heavily in the state of Texas and if you actually dug a bit you would find articles with quotes from DB about his recruiting goals for each season (ex: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/r...5686.php). This year the focus was on DBs and size on both lines.

On recruiting again we know DB wants to redshirt every player, especially o-linemen.

Scheming has been a mixed bag that has changed with OCs. Recently it has seemed less consistent, but since 2012 it has seemed like DB has wanted to control the clock, grind it out, and try to keep things close that way (even if this isn't the best philosophy like many of us think).

Now, I agree with you on substitutions. But I don't know what is going on there because I don't pay nearly enough attention to the game to keep track of that aspect of our game.

I think the issue isn't that you don't get it, it is that you don't try to or you just disagree with it. Nothing wrong with the latter, but plenty with the former.

As I said above, if the plan is to out athlete our opponents then it's just plain stupid. So maybe I am unable to comprehend the plan because it's that daft. I really hope to God there is more than trying to have a bigger line than our opponents.

This would be like Rhoades stating his plan was to win games by shooting from behind half court. It's reasonable to reject that as not a real plan. It's more than disagreeing - some things are just flat out not going to work.

I'd listen if it made sense. You think I like Rhoades, Langley and Karlgaard but dislike Braun, Greenspan and Bailiff for personal reasons?
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(02-08-2016 09:23 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 09:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 09:07 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 08:55 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 08:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  There seems to be an implicit assumption on both sides of this argument that giving backups playing time means punting this year to prepare for the future. I don't buy that argument. There have been a lot of successful coaches who believed in a philosophy where you play a lot of people as the best way to win NOW. Some situations are obvious--there is NO good reason to have a starter on the field in the fourth quarter when you are up--or down--by 30 or 40 points. All you're going to accomplish is getting somebody hurt in a game that is already decided, when that player could have a major impact on a later game. But there are plenty of other situations--and good reasons--where you play lots of people. Rice is chronically short of experienced depth. Playing lots of people addresses that over time. You're less likely to get a tired player hurt. And if somebody does get hurt, it's more likely to be a backup and less likely to be somebody that you can't afford to lose. A fresh backup can often out-perform a tired starter.

There are arguments both ways. Bailiff obviously finds one set of arguments more compelling. I don't.

You raise a very good point and IMO one that strengthens the argument of playing a German or Granato. The cited opposition to this is that we would be throwing the season and as you point out, not necessarily so.

As for Bailiff ando the set of arguments, I'm really beginning to believe that he doesn't really know what he is doing. Because there isn't a cohesive strategy to anything. We played DJ when up 40 against Wagner and late in blowout losses, so I have no idea what the plan is.

If you can't even guess what his plan is, then you are at best being intentionally dense. His general philosophy, which plenty of people bemoan, is trying to play as many upperclassmen as possible (which doesn't mean he won't play underclassmen when they are the best, btw). With this kept in mind, it would appear that DB is consistent in subscribing to a similar school of thought that thinks his more senior players benefit the most from in-game experience. Therefore he would rather his starters get extra playing time/reps and risk injury than sit them and let others get experience. I could be wrong, but it didn't take logical gymnastics to draw that conclusion. And, I understand why one would feel that way, but just like Owl69, I don't agree with it.

Like him, I think we should be using the time when we are up/down by a lot to be spreading the wealth, unless there is a very specific item we want to work. I don't think that we kept DJ/other starters in to work on anything in particular, but the thing is, there really isn't any way for me to know that unless I am in the huddle (which I am not).

On a side, I don't think that this argument lends credence to playing Granato, and burning a redshirt just for extra playing time. We already had two QBs behind DJ, so might as well let them get some experience and see if they show anything special. DBs wish to redshirt every student makes a lot of sense when you look at the physical specimens we often recruit, a lot of them significantly benefit from an extra year of weight training and conditioning.

That's not a plan. It's a facet. Unless he feels that by the time our recruits are upperclassmen they will be able to out athlete everyone on our schedule.which given we play Baylor and Stanford next year, isn't happening. So maybe it is a plan but if that's it, it's daft.

My original post should have said that I don't know what his plan is to win and get us to top 25 as has been stated by Karlgaard.

No, your original post should have just said you disagree with his plan, not that you know what it is.

From the link I just posted in my other response: "We're going to develop these guys. You win championships with large senior classes. It enhances your ability to win (games) when they're in their fifth year."

That's not a plan. Again, it's an idiotic assertion with no factual basis. We will not be able to out athlete our opponents, especially the ones with a pulse - ever. Not as freshman, seniors or 5th years.

I read that statement the same way as I do the moon landing conspiracies. That the author/speaker is on la la land.

Is this supposed plan ever going to get us to stated top 25? Or even close? No. So it's not a plan. It's just stupid
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(02-08-2016 09:31 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 09:23 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 09:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 09:07 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 08:55 PM)Antarius Wrote:  You raise a very good point and IMO one that strengthens the argument of playing a German or Granato. The cited opposition to this is that we would be throwing the season and as you point out, not necessarily so.

As for Bailiff ando the set of arguments, I'm really beginning to believe that he doesn't really know what he is doing. Because there isn't a cohesive strategy to anything. We played DJ when up 40 against Wagner and late in blowout losses, so I have no idea what the plan is.

If you can't even guess what his plan is, then you are at best being intentionally dense. His general philosophy, which plenty of people bemoan, is trying to play as many upperclassmen as possible (which doesn't mean he won't play underclassmen when they are the best, btw). With this kept in mind, it would appear that DB is consistent in subscribing to a similar school of thought that thinks his more senior players benefit the most from in-game experience. Therefore he would rather his starters get extra playing time/reps and risk injury than sit them and let others get experience. I could be wrong, but it didn't take logical gymnastics to draw that conclusion. And, I understand why one would feel that way, but just like Owl69, I don't agree with it.

Like him, I think we should be using the time when we are up/down by a lot to be spreading the wealth, unless there is a very specific item we want to work. I don't think that we kept DJ/other starters in to work on anything in particular, but the thing is, there really isn't any way for me to know that unless I am in the huddle (which I am not).

On a side, I don't think that this argument lends credence to playing Granato, and burning a redshirt just for extra playing time. We already had two QBs behind DJ, so might as well let them get some experience and see if they show anything special. DBs wish to redshirt every student makes a lot of sense when you look at the physical specimens we often recruit, a lot of them significantly benefit from an extra year of weight training and conditioning.

That's not a plan. It's a facet. Unless he feels that by the time our recruits are upperclassmen they will be able to out athlete everyone on our schedule.which given we play Baylor and Stanford next year, isn't happening. So maybe it is a plan but if that's it, it's daft.

My original post should have said that I don't know what his plan is to win and get us to top 25 as has been stated by Karlgaard.

No, your original post should have just said you disagree with his plan, not that you know what it is.

From the link I just posted in my other response: "We're going to develop these guys. You win championships with large senior classes. It enhances your ability to win (games) when they're in their fifth year."

That's not a plan. Again, it's an idiotic assertion with no factual basis. We will not be able to out athlete our opponents, especially the ones with a pulse - ever. Not as freshman, seniors or 5th years.

I read that statement the same way as I do the moon landing conspiracies. That the author/speaker is on la la land.

Is this supposed plan ever going to get us to stated top 25? Or even close? No. So it's not a plan. It's just stupid

You really need to watch The Big Lebowski.
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Bailiff would fit in well at Air India. We're going to launch a bunch of routes,assume really high yields that are impossible to attain and somehow become profitable.

In summary, this is the "plan"

Step 1: Recruit
STEP 2: Redshirt
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit
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Recruit better and hope to God it works. That's the only plan I see.
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(02-08-2016 10:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Recruit better and hope to God it works. That's the only plan I see.

Yup, although with the 126th ranked class it would be hard pressed to call that a plan
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(02-08-2016 05:57 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  The coaches found out after the season that DJ had a torn meniscus.

Wait...what? How is that something the coaches suddenly find out after the season?
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(02-08-2016 05:57 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  The coaches found out after the season that DJ had a torn meniscus.

Wait...what? How is that something the coaches suddenly find out after the season?
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DJ was keeping the information on a private server.
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(02-09-2016 02:29 PM)ranfin Wrote:  [qtuote='westsidewolf1989' pid='12985505' dateline='1455037308']
(02-08-2016 05:57 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  The coaches found out after the season that DJ had a torn meniscus.

Wait...what? How is that something the coaches suddenly find out after the season?

DJ was keeping the information on a private server.
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(02-09-2016 02:29 PM)ranfin Wrote:  [qtuote='westsidewolf1989' pid='12985505' dateline='1455037308']
(02-08-2016 05:57 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  The coaches found out after the season that DJ had a torn meniscus.

Wait...what? How is that something the coaches suddenly find out after the season?

DJ was keeping the information on a private server.
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We were not able to outathlete our opponents-they were beating us with their greater speed-especially Baylor.

(02-08-2016 09:27 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 09:21 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 09:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  As I typed that last post it really clicked that my biggest issue with Bailiff is that I have no idea what his plan is and not even his most ardent supporters have been able to articulate what his plan is.

It covers everything from substitutions, to schemes to play calling to coaching hires to discipline to recruiting.

Would you even listen to them if they did?

In my recent post I extrapolated DBs philosophy on player development (something that has been openly discussed).

We know DB wants to recruit heavily in the state of Texas and if you actually dug a bit you would find articles with quotes from DB about his recruiting goals for each season (ex: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/r...5686.php). This year the focus was on DBs and size on both lines.

On recruiting again we know DB wants to redshirt every player, especially o-linemen.

Scheming has been a mixed bag that has changed with OCs. Recently it has seemed less consistent, but since 2012 it has seemed like DB has wanted to control the clock, grind it out, and try to keep things close that way (even if this isn't the best philosophy like many of us think).

Now, I agree with you on substitutions. But I don't know what is going on there because I don't pay nearly enough attention to the game to keep track of that aspect of our game.

I think the issue isn't that you don't get it, it is that you don't try to or you just disagree with it. Nothing wrong with the latter, but plenty with the former.

As I said above, if the plan is to out athlete our opponents then it's just plain stupid. So maybe I am unable to comprehend the plan because it's that daft. I really hope to God there is more than trying to have a bigger line than our opponents.

This would be like Rhoades stating his plan was to win games by shooting from behind half court. It's reasonable to reject that as not a real plan. It's more than disagreeing - some things are just flat out not going to work.

I'd listen if it made sense. You think I like Rhoades, Langley and Karlgaard but dislike Braun, Greenspan and Bailiff for personal reasons?
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(02-09-2016 12:01 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 05:57 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  The coaches found out after the season that DJ had a torn meniscus.

Wait...what? How is that something the coaches suddenly find out after the season?

That was my thought as well. Unless a torn meniscus is the kind of thing that isn't easily seen with an MRI, and it just wasn't apparent?
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(02-09-2016 03:48 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(02-09-2016 12:01 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 05:57 PM)bobreinhold1 Wrote:  The coaches found out after the season that DJ had a torn meniscus.

Wait...what? How is that something the coaches suddenly find out after the season?

That was my thought as well. Unless a torn meniscus is the kind of thing that isn't easily seen with an MRI, and it just wasn't apparent?

Not all torn menisci can be seen on an MRI - there might be a hint, but sometimes cannot be seen clearly. Sometimes, you can choose to play through it. I think it's fair to say they at least knew he had a sore knee. The extent of the damage may not have been known until the actual surgery (as was the case with my recent knee problems).
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