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This came up during the caravan tonight. Wood said that as of today, they would be paying full cost of attendance ($2,975) for Football, Men's and Women's basketball, and then every other women's sport due to Title IX. He said there would be no money left for the rest of the guys sports. COA will start next school year. I feel like this is going to lead to litigation at some point as my guess is most schools will do something like this in order to comply with Title IX. What a mess.

VCU doesn't have football so they can pay the COA to all. Football is such a different animal than other mens' sports, What...maybe 5 times as many participants than other sports. The title IX stuff is no problem if you don't have football.

So no COA for Baseball or Wrestling. Wow.

(04-13-2016 12:40 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  So no COA for Baseball or Wrestling. Wow.

Or tennis, golf, swimming, soccer, or sailing.

None of those sports are revenue producing (significant) and are all shafted. The fear when we started football was that it was going to erode the rest of our sports. I think slowly we are seeing that come true.

(04-13-2016 05:58 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 12:40 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  So no COA for Baseball or Wrestling. Wow.

Or tennis, golf, swimming, soccer, or sailing.

None of those sports are revenue producing (significant) and are all shafted. The fear when we started football was that it was going to erode the rest of our sports. I think slowly we are seeing that come true.

Win a few bowl games or NCAA games and that may change.

(04-13-2016 06:30 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:58 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 12:40 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  So no COA for Baseball or Wrestling. Wow.

Or tennis, golf, swimming, soccer, or sailing.

None of those sports are revenue producing (significant) and are all shafted. The fear when we started football was that it was going to erode the rest of our sports. I think slowly we are seeing that come true.

Win a few bowl games or NCAA games and that may change.

COA's were not even on the horizon when ODU started football. It is fairly clear that at least one function of the implementation of COA's is to create more financial pressure on athletic departments which have football programs and compete with P5 schools for recruits, most of whom might not even start on their teams.

Meanwhile starting football at ODU has done more to add to the bottom line of ODAF (Big Blue Club) than any other decision made by the athletic department. I don't see much evidence that football is dragging down the balance of sports at ODU.

COA's are now a necessary expenditure, and ODU is not made of money, so they must figure out a way to make it work. I'm sure this is not an easy process.

(04-13-2016 05:58 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 12:40 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  So no COA for Baseball or Wrestling. Wow.

Or tennis, golf, swimming, soccer, or sailing.

None of those sports are revenue producing (significant) and are all shafted. The fear when we started football was that it was going to erode the rest of our sports. I think slowly we are seeing that come true.

Ugh, I forgot soccer.

Before this COA mess, Selig vowed not to cut any programs. I wonder if he still feels that way. Too bad no one asked him about it.

it will hurt recruiting in those sports not getting anything extra, but they are still getting full (or partial I guess) scholarships. so its not like they will be kicked off campus and will be homeless because of this.

Wish we could include all the mens sports, but understand why we can't. We won't be the only school doing it this way either. Soccer and baseball are strong at ODU though, so hopefully it doesn't impact us that much. Athletes won't miss what they never had, and as said, scholarships, food, housing etc is still a major benefit. Im glad we are covering the big three sports at least. There was no other option if we want to compete.

(04-13-2016 08:34 AM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  it will hurt recruiting in those sports not getting anything extra, but they are still getting full (or partial I guess) scholarships. so its not like they will be kicked off campus and will be homeless because of this.

Exactly...So while nothing changes for them, it is changing for those around them. So while you say football is no dragging down other sports, evidence says it might be.

There has been much discussion in previous years that part of the reason JJ ($206,000 base) was hired to steer the basketball ship was because they didn't want to pay the money for the likes of Kevin Keatts (base of $300,000) or even higher regarded coaches.

Same argument was made, whether right or not, for hiring KB (base of $175,000) as opposed to other more recognized coaches that might command a higher salary.

Then you look at something such as our men's soccer program that is constantly in or near top 25 status. As they try and recruit to remain at that level, they are at a MAJOR disadvantage. In the final soccer RPI from last year, 15 of the 25 came from the P5 +AAC & Big East. All of which I believe will be fully paying their athletes.

Then you can look at other sports. if you are making decisions between being a big fish in a little pond (ODU) or a little fish in a big pond (P5), this can def. sway your decision.

So while there will be no "change" to these athletes, it does relegate them to second class within our own athletic department and also weakens their chances of success in their field of competition.

Don't get me wrong, I am at foreman Field every Saturday tailgating and loving oDU football. But to say it hasn't hurt other sports isn't fair. I was lucky enough to earn a scholarship to ODU for an olympic sport that no one cared about. Fortunate and blessed and understatements. And the fear of what is going to happen to those sports is real and this doesn't help.

Football is so much more fun that going to swim meet or a tennis match. But the argument that is hasn't affected them just isn't right.

Is the rest of CUSA paying baseball players? (or golf, diving, swimming, they don't have wrestling, soccer ect...) I suspect they are in the same boat we are. Rice may be able to pay baseball but private school finances are different.

One thing to note, the non-revenue sports have those % based scholarships that football isn't allowed. So we could still end up offering recruits a better scholarship package than other schools who are offering COA. If they only offer 75% with COA and we give them a full ride without it, ODU is still the better choice. Sure, we will lose some battles for kids getting full rides with COA but that isn't the only thing to consider in our overall recruiting effort.