NT.

I am not voting for anymore Clintons or Bushes.

I will vote for her in the NC Democrat primary if Sanders is still a threat to win. He must be stopped. In NC non partisan voters can vote in either primary.

(02-03-2016 11:27 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  I am not voting for anymore Clintons or Bushes.

yep....that nepotism thingy....it's flat out unnerving and why many companies address that issue within their hiring guidelines...

I don't understand why anyone with sense votes in the national unless one lives in a state of denial and think it matters....I'll concede that one....

almost every state's outcome is predefined....

IA, NH, etc....they don't mean dick in scope....

a couple of posters have pointed out OH, FL, and TX....

those are the only ones that require attention....

disclaimer: the media trumps all (no pun intended....well, maybe )

I find myself voting against Bernie more than voting for Hillary. We already have a problem with tax invertors.

If the GOP nomination is sewn up by the time it gets to Virginia, I'll vote for Sanders in the democrat primary.

(02-04-2016 06:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I will vote for her in the NC Democrat primary if Sanders is still a threat to win. He must be stopped. In NC non partisan voters can vote in either primary.

Same in Virginia, I'm undecided in even which primary I'll vote in.

(02-04-2016 08:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If the GOP nomination is sewn up by the time it gets to Virginia, I'll vote for Sanders in the democrat primary.

Every vote Sanders gets will be used to claim that the American people support his views.

(02-04-2016 09:00 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If the GOP nomination is sewn up by the time it gets to Virginia, I'll vote for Sanders in the democrat primary.

Every vote Sanders gets will be used to claim that the American people support his views.

His agenda would never get through congress and I don't think he'd be a dictator. Unlike Hillary and Rubio, he isn't owned. I think the likely result of a Sanders presidency would be gridlock. Certainly beats Hillary or Rubio taking the damage over the last 16 years and running with it.

ER, if you actually support Sanders' candidacy, then yes by all means cast your ballot in his favor. I thought you meant that you didn't support him, but might vote for him anyway to cause Hillary! some political embarrassment.

I might cross over.

(02-04-2016 09:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:00 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If the GOP nomination is sewn up by the time it gets to Virginia, I'll vote for Sanders in the democrat primary.

Every vote Sanders gets will be used to claim that the American people support his views.

His agenda would never get through congress and I don't think he'd be a dictator. Unlike Hillary and Rubio, he isn't owned. I think the likely result of a Sanders presidency would be gridlock. Certainly beats Hillary or Rubio taking the damage over the last 16 years and running with it.

with the current congress/senate configuration....he'd be lame duck as he raised his 'right' hand....

what's really fk'd up is the positing of 'sabotage voting' as a viable means to aid in electing the 'other'

I'd rather shoot myself

(02-04-2016 09:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  His agenda would never get through congress and I don't think he'd be a dictator. Unlike Hillary and Rubio, he isn't owned. I think the likely result of a Sanders presidency would be gridlock. Certainly beats Hillary or Rubio taking the damage over the last 16 years and running with it.

I like the optimism, but it's just too risky to get a socialist (even a "democratic" one) in the White House - though let's be honest, it'll happen eventually whether it's Sanders or not. The percentage of people who critically look beyond emotional slogans of "free stuff/screw the rich" and its long term consequences will ultimately be overcome.

It's not that I disagree with 100% of what Sanders says. I think a few of his ideas are worth exploring. I'm not against solid safety nets either. But the man, and his ideology as a whole, is just too inherently hostile toward free market capitalism and individual responsibility (even if he's not proposing a full government-owns-everything style socialism).

(02-04-2016 09:11 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  ER, if you actually support Sanders' candidacy, then yes by all means cast your ballot in his favor. I thought you meant that you didn't support him, but might vote for him anyway to cause Hillary! some political embarrassment.

Nope, now that Rand is out (he was 2nd), Sanders is acually probably my 4th pick out of the entire field (Cruz, G. Johnson, Trump), though Trump is slipping and Christie is growing on me. Right now anti-establishmentism is more important to me than ideology. Our country will not improve until the uniparty elite is destroyed.

(02-04-2016 09:16 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I'd rather shoot myself

I look at my feet in same way....

(02-04-2016 09:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  what's really fk'd up is the positing of 'sabotage voting' as a viable means to aid in electing the 'other'

I've never liked that, either.

I remember when I was about 17 my father voted for a candidate that he disapproved of, for that exact reason. I never told him so, but it didn't sit well with me, even then.

No

(02-04-2016 09:18 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  His agenda would never get through congress and I don't think he'd be a dictator. Unlike Hillary and Rubio, he isn't owned. I think the likely result of a Sanders presidency would be gridlock. Certainly beats Hillary or Rubio taking the damage over the last 16 years and running with it.

I like the optimism, but it's just too risky to get a socialist (even a "democratic" one) in the White House - though let's be honest, it'll happen eventually whether it's Sanders or not. The percentage of people who critically look beyond emotional slogans of "free stuff/screw the rich" and its long term consequences will ultimately be overcome.

It's not that I disagree with 100% of what Sanders says. I think a few of his ideas are worth exploring. I'm not against solid safety nets either. But the man, and his ideology as a whole, is just too inherently hostile toward free market capitalism and individual responsibility (even if he's not proposing a full government-owns-everything style socialism).

agree....lack of incentive is a problem....

I agree with almost nothing Sanders proposes, but at least at this point in time he appears fairly honest (if any politician can be termed as honest) - at minimum he doesn't appear to be hiding what he believes.

I just can not stomach Hillary. She is the most dishonest figure running for office in my memory I can think of. I honestly believe she would sell out anyone, including her family if she thought it would get her the Presidency - I don't believe there are any limits to what she would be willing to do and that scares me more that a socialist as president.