(02-05-2016 06:00 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 04:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:06 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 06:48 AM)penguino Wrote:  Not this again.

One of the reasons (not THE reason, but one of them) that the BE died......NOVA trying to upgrade on the cheap and the football schools not going for it.

To be fair, EVERY Big East was going to leave if it got offered an invite from another power conference. Villanova could have built a billion dollar stadium with a $200 million football budget and it wouldn't have mattered one iota. It's a complete fallacy that the Big East adding schools like UCF, Houston or anyone else earlier would have done a single thing to change the outcome of the league. Big East football was going to eventually die the day that Miami left for the ACC (an invite that Miami was also ALWAYS going to take since that was their dream conference) and, frankly, it was doomed to die even before it was formed since Penn State chose to go to the Big Ten. The Catholic 7 knew all of this - I don't understand why people continue to think they should have rolled over for football schools that all openly were looking to find any way to leave. They're now making more TV money than the all-sport AAC, so they showed that they were being undervalued on a relative basis.

If you want to use the current TV contracts as market value, so be it... but almost everyone who is not a Homer understands that the (new) Big East made out because FOX needed content, and the 'perfect storm' of the fledgling AAC negotiating without even a NAME and under immediate threat of further raids, caused this obvious AAC undervalue. It is what it is, and kudos to the 'new' Big East for making out... they did well. But let's see what the next rounds bring... real market value for an established AAC definitely has yet to be determined, and that's a fact. Also, the visibility and ratings of the AAC on ESPN are burying the new Big East. Our recruits want to be seen, and that's the solid benefit of the contact Aresco signed. He knew he couldn't get dollars for an unnamed start up... but he took the exposure to build up. And hell it's working out great.

Also, Big East football didn't 'die' per se, the AAC actually IS the (old) Big East. Admittedly it's a hell of a reload.. But that is why UCF got an autobid to BCS, it was the Big East slot under a new name. The 'real' Big East (renamed the AAC) sold the name, reloaded, and football did pretty well... two BCS/NY6 wins in 3 years? I'll take that any day of the week.

Nova burned their invite to the ground by presenting a 'plan' to play in an UNEXPANDED PPL Park. It was ridiculous. Perhaps they were never serious about it, I have no idea.

Just keeping it accurate here...

Aren't all the Big East games including the garbage OOC games on national TV on FS1? Pretty sure thats better visibility than CBSsports and ESPNnews conference games.

Hit the nail on the head. ****** games like Butler vs. Utah Valley or Creighton vs. UTSA are shown on FS1. Sure, the ratings for those games stink but 50k viewers is more than what u would get on ESPN3 or local TV.

Plus, the Big East has 15 games this year between Big FOX and CBS, thats more than any other conference so I would reconsider your thought that the AAC gets better exposure than the Big East.

Ridiculous. Its like the big east dropped off the face of the earth. If i didnt post here i wouldnt even know they existed. I have 3 to 4 espn hd channels lined up right above the sec network. Last reference to the big east i heard was how one of the teams played like a big east team when it really was thr big east. Heck i cant even remember which team they were reffering to....plus something about john thompson cusssing about the refs at his sons post game press conference. Big east gets about as much coverage as the peachbelt

(02-05-2016 06:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:00 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 04:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:06 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  To be fair, EVERY Big East was going to leave if it got offered an invite from another power conference. Villanova could have built a billion dollar stadium with a $200 million football budget and it wouldn't have mattered one iota. It's a complete fallacy that the Big East adding schools like UCF, Houston or anyone else earlier would have done a single thing to change the outcome of the league. Big East football was going to eventually die the day that Miami left for the ACC (an invite that Miami was also ALWAYS going to take since that was their dream conference) and, frankly, it was doomed to die even before it was formed since Penn State chose to go to the Big Ten. The Catholic 7 knew all of this - I don't understand why people continue to think they should have rolled over for football schools that all openly were looking to find any way to leave. They're now making more TV money than the all-sport AAC, so they showed that they were being undervalued on a relative basis.

If you want to use the current TV contracts as market value, so be it... but almost everyone who is not a Homer understands that the (new) Big East made out because FOX needed content, and the 'perfect storm' of the fledgling AAC negotiating without even a NAME and under immediate threat of further raids, caused this obvious AAC undervalue. It is what it is, and kudos to the 'new' Big East for making out... they did well. But let's see what the next rounds bring... real market value for an established AAC definitely has yet to be determined, and that's a fact. Also, the visibility and ratings of the AAC on ESPN are burying the new Big East. Our recruits want to be seen, and that's the solid benefit of the contact Aresco signed. He knew he couldn't get dollars for an unnamed start up... but he took the exposure to build up. And hell it's working out great.

Also, Big East football didn't 'die' per se, the AAC actually IS the (old) Big East. Admittedly it's a hell of a reload.. But that is why UCF got an autobid to BCS, it was the Big East slot under a new name. The 'real' Big East (renamed the AAC) sold the name, reloaded, and football did pretty well... two BCS/NY6 wins in 3 years? I'll take that any day of the week.

Nova burned their invite to the ground by presenting a 'plan' to play in an UNEXPANDED PPL Park. It was ridiculous. Perhaps they were never serious about it, I have no idea.

Just keeping it accurate here...

Aren't all the Big East games including the garbage OOC games on national TV on FS1? Pretty sure thats better visibility than CBSsports and ESPNnews conference games.

Hit the nail on the head. ****** games like Butler vs. Utah Valley or Creighton vs. UTSA are shown on FS1. Sure, the ratings for those games stink but 50k viewers is more than what u would get on ESPN3 or local TV.

Plus, the Big East has 15 games this year between Big FOX and CBS, thats more than any other conference so I would reconsider your thought that the AAC gets better exposure than the Big East.

Ridiculous. Its like the big east dropped off the face of the earth. If i didnt post here i wouldnt even know they existed. I have 3 to 4 espn hd channels lined up right above the sec network. Last reference to the big east i heard was how one of the teams played like a big east team when it really was thr big east. Heck i cant even remember which team they were reffering to....plus something about john thompson cusssing about the refs at his sons post game press conference. Big east gets about as much coverage as the peachbelt

Don't they get more teams into the NCAA Tourny than the AAC? Seems like the people who matter are paying attention.

BTW i'm not a fan of the AAC folks acting like they are better than their position dictates. Reality is, the Big East is seen as a power conference in BBall and given that respect by both the NCAA committee and Power Conferences like the Big Ten, which im glad signed on to play the Big East in the Gavitt tip off games. Glad we get Seton Hall and another Big East team nearly every year now.

You must not watch the NFL especially during the playoffs because i've been seeing their commercials all throughout the games on Fox.

(02-05-2016 06:28 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:00 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 04:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:06 PM)Bull Wrote:  If you want to use the current TV contracts as market value, so be it... but almost everyone who is not a Homer understands that the (new) Big East made out because FOX needed content, and the 'perfect storm' of the fledgling AAC negotiating without even a NAME and under immediate threat of further raids, caused this obvious AAC undervalue. It is what it is, and kudos to the 'new' Big East for making out... they did well. But let's see what the next rounds bring... real market value for an established AAC definitely has yet to be determined, and that's a fact. Also, the visibility and ratings of the AAC on ESPN are burying the new Big East. Our recruits want to be seen, and that's the solid benefit of the contact Aresco signed. He knew he couldn't get dollars for an unnamed start up... but he took the exposure to build up. And hell it's working out great.

Also, Big East football didn't 'die' per se, the AAC actually IS the (old) Big East. Admittedly it's a hell of a reload.. But that is why UCF got an autobid to BCS, it was the Big East slot under a new name. The 'real' Big East (renamed the AAC) sold the name, reloaded, and football did pretty well... two BCS/NY6 wins in 3 years? I'll take that any day of the week.

Nova burned their invite to the ground by presenting a 'plan' to play in an UNEXPANDED PPL Park. It was ridiculous. Perhaps they were never serious about it, I have no idea.

Just keeping it accurate here...

Aren't all the Big East games including the garbage OOC games on national TV on FS1? Pretty sure thats better visibility than CBSsports and ESPNnews conference games.

Hit the nail on the head. ****** games like Butler vs. Utah Valley or Creighton vs. UTSA are shown on FS1. Sure, the ratings for those games stink but 50k viewers is more than what u would get on ESPN3 or local TV.

Plus, the Big East has 15 games this year between Big FOX and CBS, thats more than any other conference so I would reconsider your thought that the AAC gets better exposure than the Big East.

Ridiculous. Its like the big east dropped off the face of the earth. If i didnt post here i wouldnt even know they existed. I have 3 to 4 espn hd channels lined up right above the sec network. Last reference to the big east i heard was how one of the teams played like a big east team when it really was thr big east. Heck i cant even remember which team they were reffering to....plus something about john thompson cusssing about the refs at his sons post game press conference. Big east gets about as much coverage as the peachbelt

Don't they get more teams into the NCAA Tourny than the AAC? Seems like the people who matter are paying attention.

BTW i'm not a fan of the AAC folks acting like they are better than their position dictates. Reality is, the Big East is seen as a power conference in BBall and given that respect by both the NCAA committee and Power Conferences like the Big Ten, which im glad signed on to play the Big East in the Gavitt tip off games. Glad we get Seton Hall and another Big East team nearly every year now.

You must not watch the NFL especially during the playoffs because i've been seeing their commercials all throughout the games on Fox.

Maybe the commercials are regional. I hear next to nothing about the big east. Since the big east lost its football market its just an obscure bball league. Its like cusa disappered too. I live in the south, it could be a regional thing. I remember hearing stuff about the big east all thd time before it fell apart. Now nothing. Espn is too powerful.

(02-05-2016 06:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:28 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:00 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 04:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Aren't all the Big East games including the garbage OOC games on national TV on FS1? Pretty sure thats better visibility than CBSsports and ESPNnews conference games.

Hit the nail on the head. ****** games like Butler vs. Utah Valley or Creighton vs. UTSA are shown on FS1. Sure, the ratings for those games stink but 50k viewers is more than what u would get on ESPN3 or local TV.

Plus, the Big East has 15 games this year between Big FOX and CBS, thats more than any other conference so I would reconsider your thought that the AAC gets better exposure than the Big East.

Ridiculous. Its like the big east dropped off the face of the earth. If i didnt post here i wouldnt even know they existed. I have 3 to 4 espn hd channels lined up right above the sec network. Last reference to the big east i heard was how one of the teams played like a big east team when it really was thr big east. Heck i cant even remember which team they were reffering to....plus something about john thompson cusssing about the refs at his sons post game press conference. Big east gets about as much coverage as the peachbelt

Don't they get more teams into the NCAA Tourny than the AAC? Seems like the people who matter are paying attention.

BTW i'm not a fan of the AAC folks acting like they are better than their position dictates. Reality is, the Big East is seen as a power conference in BBall and given that respect by both the NCAA committee and Power Conferences like the Big Ten, which im glad signed on to play the Big East in the Gavitt tip off games. Glad we get Seton Hall and another Big East team nearly every year now.

You must not watch the NFL especially during the playoffs because i've been seeing their commercials all throughout the games on Fox.

Maybe the commercials are regional. I hear next to nothing about the big east. Since the big east lost its football market its just an obscure bball league. Its like cusa disappered too. I live in the south, it could be a regional thing. I remember hearing stuff about the big east all thd time before it fell apart. Now nothing. Espn is too powerful.

an obscure league that currently has the #1 and #4/5 teams in the country

(02-04-2016 12:05 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Not this again...

Just wow...


Are we this bored?

Is this 2012 all over again?

(02-08-2016 09:23 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 12:05 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Not this again...

Just wow...


Are we this bored?

Its the off season...so yeah

But we can't be Nova to FBS bored yet...

Congratulations to Villanova, AP #1 team this week. Special mention to AP #5, Xavier. Not bad for a conference that no one has heard of, no one watches, and no one cares about.

Having a good regular season is nice, but fans (casual and diehard) remember deep tourney results...something yet to be seen by a new Big East team.

I think the Big Ten fans generally like the Catholic 7 and watch them from a distance.

(02-08-2016 09:27 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Is this 2012 all over again?

History does have a tendency of repeating itself.

History does have a tendency of repeating itself.

(02-05-2016 06:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:28 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:00 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 04:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Aren't all the Big East games including the garbage OOC games on national TV on FS1? Pretty sure thats better visibility than CBSsports and ESPNnews conference games.

Hit the nail on the head. ****** games like Butler vs. Utah Valley or Creighton vs. UTSA are shown on FS1. Sure, the ratings for those games stink but 50k viewers is more than what u would get on ESPN3 or local TV.

Plus, the Big East has 15 games this year between Big FOX and CBS, thats more than any other conference so I would reconsider your thought that the AAC gets better exposure than the Big East.

Ridiculous. Its like the big east dropped off the face of the earth. If i didnt post here i wouldnt even know they existed. I have 3 to 4 espn hd channels lined up right above the sec network. Last reference to the big east i heard was how one of the teams played like a big east team when it really was thr big east. Heck i cant even remember which team they were reffering to....plus something about john thompson cusssing about the refs at his sons post game press conference. Big east gets about as much coverage as the peachbelt

Don't they get more teams into the NCAA Tourny than the AAC? Seems like the people who matter are paying attention.

BTW i'm not a fan of the AAC folks acting like they are better than their position dictates. Reality is, the Big East is seen as a power conference in BBall and given that respect by both the NCAA committee and Power Conferences like the Big Ten, which im glad signed on to play the Big East in the Gavitt tip off games. Glad we get Seton Hall and another Big East team nearly every year now.

You must not watch the NFL especially during the playoffs because i've been seeing their commercials all throughout the games on Fox.

Maybe the commercials are regional. I hear next to nothing about the big east. Since the big east lost its football market its just an obscure bball league. Its like cusa disappered too. I live in the south, it could be a regional thing. I remember hearing stuff about the big east all thd time before it fell apart. Now nothing. Espn is too powerful.

I live in Northern california and I saw them. Guess they aren't regional.

(02-09-2016 10:22 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:28 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 06:00 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  Hit the nail on the head. ****** games like Butler vs. Utah Valley or Creighton vs. UTSA are shown on FS1. Sure, the ratings for those games stink but 50k viewers is more than what u would get on ESPN3 or local TV.

Plus, the Big East has 15 games this year between Big FOX and CBS, thats more than any other conference so I would reconsider your thought that the AAC gets better exposure than the Big East.

Ridiculous. Its like the big east dropped off the face of the earth. If i didnt post here i wouldnt even know they existed. I have 3 to 4 espn hd channels lined up right above the sec network. Last reference to the big east i heard was how one of the teams played like a big east team when it really was thr big east. Heck i cant even remember which team they were reffering to....plus something about john thompson cusssing about the refs at his sons post game press conference. Big east gets about as much coverage as the peachbelt

Don't they get more teams into the NCAA Tourny than the AAC? Seems like the people who matter are paying attention.

BTW i'm not a fan of the AAC folks acting like they are better than their position dictates. Reality is, the Big East is seen as a power conference in BBall and given that respect by both the NCAA committee and Power Conferences like the Big Ten, which im glad signed on to play the Big East in the Gavitt tip off games. Glad we get Seton Hall and another Big East team nearly every year now.

You must not watch the NFL especially during the playoffs because i've been seeing their commercials all throughout the games on Fox.

Maybe the commercials are regional. I hear next to nothing about the big east. Since the big east lost its football market its just an obscure bball league. Its like cusa disappered too. I live in the south, it could be a regional thing. I remember hearing stuff about the big east all thd time before it fell apart. Now nothing. Espn is too powerful.

I live in Northern california and I saw them. Guess they aren't regional.

Alright, another nor cal person!

(02-09-2016 03:57 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  History does have a tendency of repeating itself.

History does have a tendency of repeating itself

If the NCAA change the rules to allow FCS conferences to move up? Villanova will join the Patriot League. There was an article about Patriot League wants to expand for football and all that. Villanova is one of the top choices. I just do not see William and Mary joining them in that conference. W&M is more public than privates.

(02-09-2016 01:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 03:57 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  History does have a tendency of repeating itself.

History does have a tendency of repeating itself

Nice

(02-09-2016 04:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the NCAA change the rules to allow FCS conferences to move up? Villanova will join the Patriot League. There was an article about Patriot League wants to expand for football and all that. Villanova is one of the top choices. I just do not see William and Mary joining them in that conference. W&M is more public than privates.

Uh no, the Patriot League will not move up to FBS and Villanova wont leave the Big East to be a Patriot league member. You really are the most clueless poster here and thats saying something.

(02-09-2016 05:36 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 04:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the NCAA change the rules to allow FCS conferences to move up? Villanova will join the Patriot League. There was an article about Patriot League wants to expand for football and all that. Villanova is one of the top choices. I just do not see William and Mary joining them in that conference. W&M is more public than privates.

Uh no, the Patriot League will not move up to FBS and Villanova wont leave the Big East to be a Patriot league member. You really are the most clueless poster here and thats saying something.

He is.