Has Villanova expressed any inclination to upgrade to FBS? What about Georgetown?

(02-03-2016 09:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Has Villanova expressed any inclination to upgrade to FBS? What about Georgetown?

NO and NO.

Unless they somehow both get direct invitations to the ACC or another P5 conference, then there's zero reason for them to do so. They're getting more TV money in the Big East for just basketball than the AAC is receiving for both football and basketball.

ACC would be their likely landing spots, given that their former rivals are there.

(02-03-2016 10:02 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  ACC would be their likely landing spots, given that their former rivals are there.

Why would the ACC invite 2 startup FBS programs? They could just add UConn and Temple instead if they want 2 more East Coast FBS schools (who both have excellent basketball histories, to boot).

Villanova had their chance and said no. No way they move now - they are in their ideal conference. More likely that Nova drops football. Georgetown also likely to drop football in next 10 years.

Frank, agree that Temple and UCONN make more sense. Surprised they aren't already in. 200, if that happened, you're right, no point in inviting them.

(02-03-2016 10:17 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Villanova had their chance and said no. No way they move now - they are in their ideal conference. More likely that Nova drops football. Georgetown also likely to drop football in next 10 years.

Syracuse and Pittsburgh bolted to the ACC while Villanova considered a small soccer stadium as their home football stadium.

Not this again...

Quote:PHILADELPHIA -- Villanova is studying a proposal to join the Big East Conference in football.


If the school makes the move, there were would be phase-in period for the Wildcats and a mandatory two-year provisional period, leaving 2014 or 2015 as a possible rookie year.

Villanova currently plays in the Football Championship Subdivision, where it is ranked second in the nation. The Wildcats won the national title a year ago playing in the Colonial Athletic Association.

Athletic director Vince Nicastro said Big East commissioner John Marinatto approached school officials shortly before Labor Day and expressed interest in expansion. There was no formal offer. Instead, it's more of a mutual interest courtship.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5553575

Nova to the BE Football Conference was very close to happening.

One of the drivers might have been that with Nova in the football camp it would tie the other non-FB members of the BE more firmly into the conference.

(02-03-2016 10:02 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  ACC would be their likely landing spots, given that their former rivals are there.

I think that they would end up in the MAC. Or, if they were lucky, they might be able to swing the CUSA. And, if they were really lucky, they might work their way up to the American one day. But that's pretty much their limit. I would be amazed if they made the jump.

(02-04-2016 01:35 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 10:02 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  ACC would be their likely landing spots, given that their former rivals are there.

I think that they would end up in the MAC. Or, if they were lucky, they might be able to swing the CUSA. And, if they were really lucky, they might work their way up to the American one day. But that's pretty much their limit. I would be amazed if they made the jump.

The MAC is beyond offering up FB only spots.

MAC commish pretty adamant either you want to be in this conference or you don't when UMass was released from its football only contract.

(02-04-2016 02:10 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 01:35 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 10:02 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  ACC would be their likely landing spots, given that their former rivals are there.

I think that they would end up in the MAC. Or, if they were lucky, they might be able to swing the CUSA. And, if they were really lucky, they might work their way up to the American one day. But that's pretty much their limit. I would be amazed if they made the jump.

The MAC is beyond offering up FB only spots.

MAC commish pretty adamant either you want to be in this conference or you don't when UMass was released from its football only contract.

I was assuming that they were going in as a full member. I know that isn't realistic, but I was speaking in hypotheticals.

No va.

Not this again.

One of the reasons (not THE reason, but one of them) that the BE died......NOVA trying to upgrade on the cheap and the football schools not going for it.

History is going to show the school had the issue forced upon them when they were content enough to stay. Whether they intentionally sabotaged their own plan or really were that unprepared, Villanova's desired result was achieved, and they did not upgrade and force the resource splitting issues that would have taken from their basketball program.

If Villanova was ever really close, thank schools who are extremely desperate about retaining power and know nothing about finance management to even consider the idea of subsidizing a private institution's football operations because they themselves don't want to bear all the financial burden. It never made sense. Thank higher powers it didn't happen.

Villanova will wish it was BC athletically, but always opt to follow Georgetown's lead. Heck, if G-Town decided to drop, I bet Villanova would somehow find a way to rationalize re-shuttering its program, too. I don't know if either are worth idolizing, but let those guys on the Main Line figure that out the hard way.

(02-04-2016 05:11 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  No va.

(02-04-2016 06:48 AM)penguino Wrote:  Not this again.

One of the reasons (not THE reason, but one of them) that the BE died......NOVA trying to upgrade on the cheap and the football schools not going for it.

To be fair, EVERY Big East was going to leave if it got offered an invite from another power conference. Villanova could have built a billion dollar stadium with a $200 million football budget and it wouldn't have mattered one iota. It's a complete fallacy that the Big East adding schools like UCF, Houston or anyone else earlier would have done a single thing to change the outcome of the league. Big East football was going to eventually die the day that Miami left for the ACC (an invite that Miami was also ALWAYS going to take since that was their dream conference) and, frankly, it was doomed to die even before it was formed since Penn State chose to go to the Big Ten. The Catholic 7 knew all of this - I don't understand why people continue to think they should have rolled over for football schools that all openly were looking to find any way to leave. They're now making more TV money than the all-sport AAC, so they showed that they were being undervalued on a relative basis.

(02-03-2016 10:17 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Villanova had their chance and said no. No way they move now - they are in their ideal conference. More likely that Nova drops football. Georgetown also likely to drop football in next 10 years.

The only way I ever see Gtown dropping football is if Gtown decides that CTE is going to cost them too much $$ in the long run and decides that it's best to shutter the program. If that happens, you'll probably will hear about Harvard & Yale shuttering their programs as well for the same reason.

(02-03-2016 10:02 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  ACC would be their likely landing spots, given that their former rivals are there.

No. Not a chance.

(02-03-2016 09:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Has Villanova expressed any inclination to upgrade to FBS? What about Georgetown?

Only way this happens is if NCAA basketball drops in popularity to make it less of a major sport. While college football has gained on basketball in the last 30 years, college basketball still enables those D1 schools that perform well at it to leverage their basketball programs to gain significant national exposure.

This is especially true for Georgetown, and true also for Villanova.

They're happy now that they're in a basketball first conference.

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Only way Georgetown and Villanova start football at FBS is if there's some sort of serious downgrade of the perception of college basketball (to the point that it is seen as a regional sport - like college hockey), which isn't happening in the next couple of decades - if ever. Or if the FBS schools split from the NCAA and require FBS football to participate in basketball competitions with the P5. That also isn't happening (as any P5 or FBS breakaway in football would probably take the Big East and the A-10)