Couple of points to reply to statements earlier in this thread.

-Mountain West only has 12 football members(not 14)

-WSU roster only has one player from Texas

(02-04-2016 02:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 01:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 01:05 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 11:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:53 AM)Niner National Wrote:  I just don't really see the Belt being realistic for WSU because of basketball. CUSA blows at bball too obviously, but I could see them mayyyybe taking an optimistic look because of the history of a few of the schools in CUSA. Long shot there too though IMO.

I imagine they have their eyes on the AAC or MWC.

Ultimately, I see Wichita State joining the SBC or CUSA. Everyone just assumes the AAC or MWC will gladly take them, but neither of those is taking a football start up, and both have spurned advances from WSU for Olympic Sports invites.

The Shockers may not know this now, but if they intend on getting into the AAC, they'll have to first move into another FBS league, one willing to take a chance on their football program in exchange for basketball gains. That is the SBC or CUSA, depending which one is more willing to take that shot.

Yeah it seems to me that the SBC for the most part is the only conference that can take them. If we do they may come with Missouri St as a package deal (with the SBC dropping NMSU and Idaho to stay at 12 for football) or if they come alone I can also see us then inviting NMSU as a full member and only losing Idaho. In either case we would have 12 football / 14 all sports.

I don't think Wichita will move to the SBC without a ton of conditions.

What sort of conditions you thinking?

Look WSU wants AAC if not AAC then MWC, unless one of them is ready to pull the trigger and bring them up from FCS, they gotta go someplace else first AND continue to run roughshod over whatever league they go to.

I could see them trying to pull a Boise and get permission to negotiate their own TV deal for basketball. Our coverage for basketball is very tiny because we're not a basketball league, Wichita is like basically the entire MVC TV deal. I could also see them trying to negotiate lesser exit fees should they get an AAC invite.

(02-04-2016 10:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 02:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 01:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 01:05 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 11:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Ultimately, I see Wichita State joining the SBC or CUSA. Everyone just assumes the AAC or MWC will gladly take them, but neither of those is taking a football start up, and both have spurned advances from WSU for Olympic Sports invites.

The Shockers may not know this now, but if they intend on getting into the AAC, they'll have to first move into another FBS league, one willing to take a chance on their football program in exchange for basketball gains. That is the SBC or CUSA, depending which one is more willing to take that shot.

Yeah it seems to me that the SBC for the most part is the only conference that can take them. If we do they may come with Missouri St as a package deal (with the SBC dropping NMSU and Idaho to stay at 12 for football) or if they come alone I can also see us then inviting NMSU as a full member and only losing Idaho. In either case we would have 12 football / 14 all sports.

I don't think Wichita will move to the SBC without a ton of conditions.

What sort of conditions you thinking?

Look WSU wants AAC if not AAC then MWC, unless one of them is ready to pull the trigger and bring them up from FCS, they gotta go someplace else first AND continue to run roughshod over whatever league they go to.

I could see them trying to pull a Boise and get permission to negotiate their own TV deal for basketball. Our coverage for basketball is very tiny because we're not a basketball league, Wichita is like basically the entire MVC TV deal. I could also see them trying to negotiate lesser exit fees should they get an AAC invite.

Well nothing wrong with asking for concessions but... Wichita is 1000+ miles from three Sun Belt schools so it isn't like they get a ticker tape parade for asking to join. I think it would be highly unlikely there would be anywhere close to enough votes to allow them to cut their own deal for TV outside of being able to sell unselected games within the territorial restrictions.

I'm sure they are swell folks but the glory of rubbing elbows with them isn't going to get an invite. Cut them a break on entry fee? That's plausible. Exit fee? Unlikely.

(02-04-2016 11:44 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:53 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 04:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The big question today is what do you do if you are Missouri State. You've made being in a hoops league your top priority and rode out Creighton leaving, now you have Wichita State sending a clear signal they want out so bad they are willing to add football back.

Do you wait and hope that Wichita doesn't find a home or do you take a proactive approach.

Say the MAC or CUSA takes Missouri ST and WSU who is left besides JMU for the belt to hope for ?

I just don't really see the Belt being realistic for WSU because of basketball. CUSA blows at bball too obviously, but I could see them mayyyybe taking an optimistic look because of the history of a few of the schools in CUSA. Long shot there too though IMO.

I imagine they have their eyes on the AAC or MWC.

They may be, but to be honest MWC and CUSA already has 14 members. Why move to 16? On top of that why take an FCS team. It's more logical for WSU if we can get MSU to move to the Sunbelt, because in a way it would be like GoSo and App St.. Plus the sunbelt better fits there profile.

I am not argueing I just making logical assumptions. Think the Sunbelt needs to move on this as quickly as possible. I would rather a WSU and MSU in the Sunbelt then say JMU

CUSA is the only G5 with 14 members. The MWC has 12, as do the MAC and the AAC. Your point remains valid though. I think Wichita State would be a home run addition to the SBC.

(02-05-2016 05:23 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 11:44 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:53 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 04:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The big question today is what do you do if you are Missouri State. You've made being in a hoops league your top priority and rode out Creighton leaving, now you have Wichita State sending a clear signal they want out so bad they are willing to add football back.

Do you wait and hope that Wichita doesn't find a home or do you take a proactive approach.

Say the MAC or CUSA takes Missouri ST and WSU who is left besides JMU for the belt to hope for ?

I just don't really see the Belt being realistic for WSU because of basketball. CUSA blows at bball too obviously, but I could see them mayyyybe taking an optimistic look because of the history of a few of the schools in CUSA. Long shot there too though IMO.

I imagine they have their eyes on the AAC or MWC.

They may be, but to be honest MWC and CUSA already has 14 members. Why move to 16? On top of that why take an FCS team. It's more logical for WSU if we can get MSU to move to the Sunbelt, because in a way it would be like GoSo and App St.. Plus the sunbelt better fits there profile.

I am not argueing I just making logical assumptions. Think the Sunbelt needs to move on this as quickly as possible. I would rather a WSU and MSU in the Sunbelt then say JMU

CUSA is the only G5 with 14 members. The MWC has 12, as do the MAC and the AAC. Your point remains valid though. I think Wichita State would be a home run addition to the SBC.

I figure wsu would just put their start-up football team in the mvc football league until somebody leaves the aac.

(02-05-2016 08:17 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 05:23 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 11:44 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:53 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  Say the MAC or CUSA takes Missouri ST and WSU who is left besides JMU for the belt to hope for ?

I just don't really see the Belt being realistic for WSU because of basketball. CUSA blows at bball too obviously, but I could see them mayyyybe taking an optimistic look because of the history of a few of the schools in CUSA. Long shot there too though IMO.

I imagine they have their eyes on the AAC or MWC.

They may be, but to be honest MWC and CUSA already has 14 members. Why move to 16? On top of that why take an FCS team. It's more logical for WSU if we can get MSU to move to the Sunbelt, because in a way it would be like GoSo and App St.. Plus the sunbelt better fits there profile.

I am not argueing I just making logical assumptions. Think the Sunbelt needs to move on this as quickly as possible. I would rather a WSU and MSU in the Sunbelt then say JMU

CUSA is the only G5 with 14 members. The MWC has 12, as do the MAC and the AAC. Your point remains valid though. I think Wichita State would be a home run addition to the SBC.

I figure wsu would just put their start-up football team in the mvc football league until somebody leaves the aac.

Does the MVFC have exit fees ?

I know that the SoCon and CAA both raised their exit fees to a $1 million to settle some of the movement.

I realize that Wichita State wouldn't have an issue spending $1 million to leave, unlike the SoCon schools ... but still, that would likely be an expense that would ultimately be borne from funds that aren't derived or offset from football revenue.

I've asked before but is this seriously their Presidents official account? The lady in his header image is flashing the 'shocker' gesture...I realize they are the Shockers but these are not the same things.

(02-05-2016 08:42 AM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  I've asked before but is this seriously their Presidents official account? The lady in his header image is flashing the 'shocker' gesture...I realize they are the Shockers but these are not the same things.

That has become their unofficially official hand sign. They've been using it for years.

The shocker... that is so 2004.

(02-05-2016 02:25 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 02:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 01:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 01:05 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Yeah it seems to me that the SBC for the most part is the only conference that can take them. If we do they may come with Missouri St as a package deal (with the SBC dropping NMSU and Idaho to stay at 12 for football) or if they come alone I can also see us then inviting NMSU as a full member and only losing Idaho. In either case we would have 12 football / 14 all sports.

I don't think Wichita will move to the SBC without a ton of conditions.

What sort of conditions you thinking?

Look WSU wants AAC if not AAC then MWC, unless one of them is ready to pull the trigger and bring them up from FCS, they gotta go someplace else first AND continue to run roughshod over whatever league they go to.

I could see them trying to pull a Boise and get permission to negotiate their own TV deal for basketball. Our coverage for basketball is very tiny because we're not a basketball league, Wichita is like basically the entire MVC TV deal. I could also see them trying to negotiate lesser exit fees should they get an AAC invite.

Well nothing wrong with asking for concessions but... Wichita is 1000+ miles from three Sun Belt schools so it isn't like they get a ticker tape parade for asking to join. I think it would be highly unlikely there would be anywhere close to enough votes to allow them to cut their own deal for TV outside of being able to sell unselected games within the territorial restrictions.

I'm sure they are swell folks but the glory of rubbing elbows with them isn't going to get an invite. Cut them a break on entry fee? That's plausible. Exit fee? Unlikely.

And who recruits non-JUCO Kansas in the Belt? WSU has value, and its significant, but no need to 'give away the store'.

(02-05-2016 02:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:25 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 02:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 01:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't think Wichita will move to the SBC without a ton of conditions.

What sort of conditions you thinking?

Look WSU wants AAC if not AAC then MWC, unless one of them is ready to pull the trigger and bring them up from FCS, they gotta go someplace else first AND continue to run roughshod over whatever league they go to.

I could see them trying to pull a Boise and get permission to negotiate their own TV deal for basketball. Our coverage for basketball is very tiny because we're not a basketball league, Wichita is like basically the entire MVC TV deal. I could also see them trying to negotiate lesser exit fees should they get an AAC invite.

Well nothing wrong with asking for concessions but... Wichita is 1000+ miles from three Sun Belt schools so it isn't like they get a ticker tape parade for asking to join. I think it would be highly unlikely there would be anywhere close to enough votes to allow them to cut their own deal for TV outside of being able to sell unselected games within the territorial restrictions.

I'm sure they are swell folks but the glory of rubbing elbows with them isn't going to get an invite. Cut them a break on entry fee? That's plausible. Exit fee? Unlikely.

And who recruits non-JUCO Kansas in the Belt? WSU has value, and its significant, but no need to 'give away the store'.

I don't know about HS talent but Kansas is kind of a hotbed for JUCO talent, so there's that.

I know I'm being a semantics doosh, but they are restarting football. They played in the Valley last.

(02-05-2016 03:43 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:25 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 02:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  What sort of conditions you thinking?

Look WSU wants AAC if not AAC then MWC, unless one of them is ready to pull the trigger and bring them up from FCS, they gotta go someplace else first AND continue to run roughshod over whatever league they go to.

I could see them trying to pull a Boise and get permission to negotiate their own TV deal for basketball. Our coverage for basketball is very tiny because we're not a basketball league, Wichita is like basically the entire MVC TV deal. I could also see them trying to negotiate lesser exit fees should they get an AAC invite.

Well nothing wrong with asking for concessions but... Wichita is 1000+ miles from three Sun Belt schools so it isn't like they get a ticker tape parade for asking to join. I think it would be highly unlikely there would be anywhere close to enough votes to allow them to cut their own deal for TV outside of being able to sell unselected games within the territorial restrictions.

I'm sure they are swell folks but the glory of rubbing elbows with them isn't going to get an invite. Cut them a break on entry fee? That's plausible. Exit fee? Unlikely.

And who recruits non-JUCO Kansas in the Belt? WSU has value, and its significant, but no need to 'give away the store'.

I don't know about HS talent but Kansas is kind of a hotbed for JUCO talent, so there's that.

Yea, but most of the JUCOs recruited out of Kansas aren't from there, so the prospect of playing at or with WSU doesn't really help very much for recruiting. Most of the players at the KS JUCOs aren't recruited based upon the JUCO's geography. HS players are.

(02-05-2016 05:07 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  I know I'm being a semantics doosh, but they are restarting football. They played in the Valley last.

http://michigan-football.com/ncaa/f/wichita.htm

I see a whole lot of CFB fans talking in excited terms about how Wichita State would be in line for MWC or AAC very soon, their choice.

Why?

Their football historical record isn't impressive at all, and they allowed their program to die and stay dead for 30 years.

There are a ton of other options for AAC with far better program performance, and MWC even has other possibilities that seem better than the 3rd Kansas program.

So John Bardo wants football at Wichita State. My Western Carolina friends have a nice discussion going on the CATAMOUNT PRIDE board considering how Bardo handcuffed WCU for years. LOL!

Since they are the Shockers I wonder if they will put the 3 finger shocker sign on their helmets. That would be exceedingly cool. Heck, I'd even donate towards it.

(02-04-2016 11:44 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  I would rather a WSU and MSU in the Sunbelt then say JMU

For the love of God why? Don't let us make the same mistake CUSA has made over and over again - inviting a big name / big market without an established culture of winning.

Having Wichita State basketball would be a home run (intentionally left the slam dunk pun alone), therefore I'd like to see them get the immediate nod for Olympic sports and spend 5 years as an FCS to get things in order. Similar to what Charlotte did (just hopefully with better results).

twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

I don't see the MVC letting WSU stay and play football while taking their olympic sports elsewhere...

(02-07-2016 10:55 AM)kb325 Wrote:  I don't see the MVC letting WSU stay and play football while taking their olympic sports elsewhere...

Oddly enough, if WSU joins the MVFC first, and then leaves the MVC, there might not be that much that the MVC can do about it.

But you're right, the five members of the MVFC that are also members of the MVC might attempt to demand some protection prior to admitting WSU to the MVFC. But if the combined MVFC/MVC members try to block WSU's entry into the MVFC...that might cause WSU to leave the MVC sooner rather than later.

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But all of the hemming and hawing about the MVC and/or the MVFC is really hiding the obvious...WSU is leaving the MVC...within 5 years. And there's little the MVC can do about it. The worse news for the MVFC/MVC is that they can't stop WSU from starting FCS football and any attempt to do so might hasten WSU towards the exits.

The only questions are when are they leaving and where are they going.

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We've seen this in our own conference. I've seen it multiple times over in the Atlantic 10. As soon as MTSU left the Belt, it was obvious that WKU was gone. When Cincy (who blocked XU) left the Big East, it was obvious that Xavier was gone. When the AAC was created without Villanova it was obvious that Temple was gone. For the MVC, the critical question is this...what are you going to do after they leave. And what are the other members of the conference going to do when WSU leaves?