If you want to believe the ACC is not a basketball league is the opinion of the fringe.....go for it. But go on a non ACC board and ask them what they believe. OF COURSE ACC fans are going to believe otherwise. It's all perspective.

This isn't a debate over general 'they value footbal'...sure, generically, hell, they value women's basketball also. I am talking about (which we all knew but I'll clarify) value it at the level of an SEC/B1G/Big 12 presidents do.

But be honest with yourself....go poll non ACC fanbases. I would be a majority would agree with me that many, if not most, ACC presidents don't value football at the level presidents of the SEC/B1G/Big 12 do.

ESPN has FSU as the top rated class

I have to praise NC, Duke & Miami for a solid performance on NSD. Pittsburgh had a strong finish & finished in the top 5 of the ACC, jumping up 3-4 spots. I like the pieces of the puzzle that the ACC is putting together but we are a few key pieces away from unicorns & rainbows. Judging by the evidence though, ACC football is trending up.

(02-04-2016 01:25 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 03:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The University of Florida == a basketball school.

Seriously though, ESPN covers ACC Football like Fox covers the Democratic Party Convention.

Ah, the 'ole double equal ... for when you really freaking mean it and a single equals sign just won't do.

...and for you Delphi programs out there:

The_University_of_Florida := a_basketball_school;

(02-04-2016 09:37 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I have to praise NC, Duke & Miami for a solid performance on NSD. Pittsburgh had a strong finish & finished in the top 5 of the ACC, jumping up 3-4 spots. I like the pieces of the puzzle that the ACC is putting together but we are a few key pieces away from unicorns & rainbows. Judging by the evidence though, ACC football is trending up.

+1. According to one BR writer, the ACC has...

2 of the top 3 teams

and

5 of the top 25!

(see: acc-preseason-top-25-after-nsd)

We are arguably the best Baseball Conference as well. How is it covered by ESPN?


http://www.theacc.com/news/2016-acc-base...nced-02-04

(02-04-2016 09:37 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I have to praise NC, Duke & Miami for a solid performance on NSD. Pittsburgh had a strong finish & finished in the top 5 of the ACC, jumping up 3-4 spots. I like the pieces of the puzzle that the ACC is putting together but we are a few key pieces away from unicorns & rainbows. Judging by the evidence though, ACC football is trending up.

Richt at Miami is going to be very interesting over the next few years....they are the one team that could really turn the tide in the perception of the ACC

Louisville continues to grow as a football program...Clemson has officially hit elite status for the meantime IMO

North Carolina will get better...

(02-04-2016 09:31 AM)nole Wrote:  If you want to believe the ACC is not a basketball league is the opinion of the fringe.....go for it. But go on a non ACC board and ask them what they believe. OF COURSE ACC fans are going to believe otherwise. It's all perspective.

This isn't a debate over general 'they value footbal'...sure, generically, hell, they value women's basketball also. I am talking about (which we all knew but I'll clarify) value it at the level of an SEC/B1G/Big 12 presidents do.

But be honest with yourself....go poll non ACC fanbases. I would be a majority would agree with me that many, if not most, ACC presidents don't value football at the level presidents of the SEC/B1G/Big 12 do.

This is quite a bit different a statement than what you said earlier. Well completely different. Your telling me to be honest with myself. You should take your own advice. If you were being honest with yourself, there wouldn't be a need for you to back off of your original statement, "that the ACC is full of presidents who only care about basketball." Such a statement completely ignores all of the hundreds of millions of dollars that those same presidents have invested in fb the last several years. Regarding polling non Acc posters, more is expected from you since you read this board every day and are at least somewhat aware of what other Acc programs are doing to advance their fb programs, unlike non Acc posters. Yet you still choose to complain and make these silly, sensational comments.

(02-04-2016 10:18 AM)nole Wrote:  

Ironically...
ESPN ranks FSU #1
Rivals ranks FSU #2
247Sports ranks FSU #2
Scout ranks FSU #3

Their coverage on Shavar Manuel flipping from Florida has been pure slander

First on air their idiot reporter girl says he didn't have the grades. Um he's at IMG academy which is a great college prep school. Beyond stupid

Now they are acting like FSU did something corrupt and made him lead on UF for weeks to screw them. Reality is IMG has been taken over by Gator influences who are being classless and putting pressure on their kids not to go to FSU.

(02-04-2016 12:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:18 AM)nole Wrote:  

Ironically...
ESPN ranks FSU #1
Rivals ranks FSU #2
247Sports ranks FSU #2
Scout ranks FSU #3

Yes they actually use an objective formula on their rankings and formulas to team rank

Plus we closed so well that they couldn't manipulate it to drop our commits in the rankings...

(02-04-2016 11:34 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:31 AM)nole Wrote:  If you want to believe the ACC is not a basketball league is the opinion of the fringe.....go for it. But go on a non ACC board and ask them what they believe. OF COURSE ACC fans are going to believe otherwise. It's all perspective.

This isn't a debate over general 'they value footbal'...sure, generically, hell, they value women's basketball also. I am talking about (which we all knew but I'll clarify) value it at the level of an SEC/B1G/Big 12 presidents do.

But be honest with yourself....go poll non ACC fanbases. I would be a majority would agree with me that many, if not most, ACC presidents don't value football at the level presidents of the SEC/B1G/Big 12 do.

This is quite a bit different a statement than what you said earlier. Well completely different. Your telling me to be honest with myself. You should take your own advice. If you were being honest with yourself, there wouldn't be a need for you to back off of your original statement, "that the ACC is full of presidents who only care about basketball." Such a statement completely ignores all of the hundreds of millions of dollars that those same presidents have invested in fb the last several years. Regarding polling non Acc posters, more is expected from you since you read this board every day and are at least somewhat aware of what other Acc programs are doing to advance their fb programs, unlike non Acc posters. Yet you still choose to complain and make these silly, sensational comments.

Here's what Louisville is doing.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo.../79814036/

(02-04-2016 09:31 AM)nole Wrote:  If you want to believe the ACC is not a basketball league is the opinion of the fringe.....go for it. But go on a non ACC board and ask them what they believe. OF COURSE ACC fans are going to believe otherwise. It's all perspective.

This isn't a debate over general 'they value footbal'...sure, generically, hell, they value women's basketball also. I am talking about (which we all knew but I'll clarify) value it at the level of an SEC/B1G/Big 12 presidents do.

But be honest with yourself....go poll non ACC fanbases. I would be a majority would agree with me that many, if not most, ACC presidents don't value football at the level presidents of the SEC/B1G/Big 12 do.

Perception is not reality. Your post is straight out of 1997. The ACC is still called a basketball conference because historically that has been the case, but not since the early 2000s has this been the true.

Football has driven the majority of all ACC moves since then.

Miami, Virginia Tech additions - Football moves
ACCCG in Florida - Football move
SPlitting Miami and FSU - Football move
Louisville over UCONN Football move

The only move where football didn't win out was maybe Syracuse/Pitt over West Virginia. Though the Neers can stay where they are.

ACC Schools are investing in football, changing coaches and spending money.

Duke was a trainwreck of a program before Cutcliffe.

If you expected a quick turnaround after the disaster of most of the BCS era for the ACC then it simply wasn't going to happen, but it is gradually getting better.

(02-04-2016 01:02 PM)GTTiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:31 AM)nole Wrote:  If you want to believe the ACC is not a basketball league is the opinion of the fringe.....go for it. But go on a non ACC board and ask them what they believe. OF COURSE ACC fans are going to believe otherwise. It's all perspective.

This isn't a debate over general 'they value footbal'...sure, generically, hell, they value women's basketball also. I am talking about (which we all knew but I'll clarify) value it at the level of an SEC/B1G/Big 12 presidents do.

But be honest with yourself....go poll non ACC fanbases. I would be a majority would agree with me that many, if not most, ACC presidents don't value football at the level presidents of the SEC/B1G/Big 12 do.

Perception is not reality. Your post is straight out of 1997. The ACC is still called a basketball conference because historically that has been the case, but not since the early 2000s has this been the true.

Football has driven the majority of all ACC moves since then.

Miami, Virginia Tech additions - Football moves
ACCCG in Florida - Football move
SPlitting Miami and FSU - Football move
Louisville over UCONN Football move

The only move where football didn't win out was maybe Syracuse/Pitt over West Virginia. Though the Neers can stay where they are.

ACC Schools are investing in football, changing coaches and spending money.

Duke was a trainwreck of a program before Cutcliffe.

If you expected a quick turnaround after the disaster of most of the BCS era for the ACC then it simply wasn't going to happen, but it is gradually getting better.

FWIW, we have an all time winning record against WVU and have won the last three.

The ACC is all in. There could have been a "phase in period" or "buy in" where additions earned less than a full revenue share. That method would certainly have boosted the payout to FSU and Clemson and all the other established members. That's what the B1G, Pac12 and Big 12 do so why not the ACC?

All in!

(02-04-2016 01:02 PM)GTTiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:31 AM)nole Wrote:  If you want to believe the ACC is not a basketball league is the opinion of the fringe.....go for it. But go on a non ACC board and ask them what they believe. OF COURSE ACC fans are going to believe otherwise. It's all perspective.

This isn't a debate over general 'they value footbal'...sure, generically, hell, they value women's basketball also. I am talking about (which we all knew but I'll clarify) value it at the level of an SEC/B1G/Big 12 presidents do.

But be honest with yourself....go poll non ACC fanbases. I would be a majority would agree with me that many, if not most, ACC presidents don't value football at the level presidents of the SEC/B1G/Big 12 do.

Perception is not reality. Your post is straight out of 1997. The ACC is still called a basketball conference because historically that has been the case, but not since the early 2000s has this been the true.

Football has driven the majority of all ACC moves since then.

Miami, Virginia Tech additions - Football moves
ACCCG in Florida - Football move
SPlitting Miami and FSU - Football move
Louisville over UCONN Football move

The only move where football didn't win out was maybe Syracuse/Pitt over West Virginia. Though the Neers can stay where they are.

ACC Schools are investing in football, changing coaches and spending money.

Duke was a trainwreck of a program before Cutcliffe.

If you expected a quick turnaround after the disaster of most of the BCS era for the ACC then it simply wasn't going to happen, but it is gradually getting better.

Exactly, the addition of Syracuse and Pitt could also be deemed a football move because they are some what of an enticement for ND football to join the conference. Wasn't there something about ND's series with Pitt.

(02-04-2016 02:48 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  Exactly, the addition of Syracuse and Pitt could also be deemed a football move because they are some what of an enticement for ND football to join the conference. Wasn't there something about ND's series with Pitt.

Great Point. I truly believe that the ACC trending up HARD and if you don't see that then you are blind! We will in time negotiate airtime/channel/etc....
But the no nonsense truth is the ACC is Improving FAST and the Nation will be forced to take notice.
FLossY Out...

The ACC is still paying for its decision back in the 60s to favor basketball. When the leadership found out football was 80% of the TV contract jaws dropped all over Tobacco Road.

(02-04-2016 03:43 PM)milerock Wrote:  The ACC is still paying for its decision back in the 60s to favor basketball. When the leadership found out football was 80% of the TV contract jaws dropped all over Tobacco Road.

^^^ THIS ^^^