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RE: MVC to the MAC
(02-03-2016 12:18 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  Illinois St. has been talking about it for years. They haven't had the money.

This is the only school I could see, but with illinois in trouble of funding their universities I doubt it. I think NDSU and UNI know they couldn't compete if they jumped to FBS.

I think a lot of these FCS schools went into their FBS viability studies screaming ceilings, locations, and ROI at those conducting the studies. When it was in fashion to look over this stuff, just before or as things were starting to explode, the MAC was a/the bottom-feeder. A lot of schools looked past the kind of institutions in that conference (huge mistake, imo) and all thought they could swing for something like CUSA. I got the impression Illinois State was one such school.

I don't think this stuff is rocket science. I think a lot of schools who looked into building their program thought higher of themselves than they were and probably hurt themselves by not working well with others. Villanova, for example, who will never have their own relevant venue for the sport, and will always have to travel no less than 20-30 minutes to their rental stadium if they did ever go FBS, even pulled this stunt, smack-talking the MAC. Institutions aren't good on this diplomacy or camaraderie thing. They're on their own orbit, or think things orbit them.

I can't help but think the MAC is probably way better with this stuff than others. And why should they work with these schools when they are so open about where they want to be, where they think they align, and it's not the MAC? When/if something opens up in some place like CUSA, and you're in the MAC, do you always want to think, "hey, I guess <school who fell short of CUSA invite> is making some calls." How do you operate around that? Do you want to be like A-Sun, Big South, and the WAC? Places to be until something better opens up elsewhere? No thank you!
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RE: MVC to the MAC
(02-03-2016 08:13 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I can't help but think the MAC is probably way better with this stuff than others. And why should they work with these schools when they are so open about where they want to be, where they think they align, and it's not the MAC? When/if something opens up in some place like CUSA, and you're in the MAC, do you always want to think, "hey, I guess <school who fell short of CUSA invite> is making some calls." How do you operate around that? Do you want to be like A-Sun, Big South, and the WAC? Places to be until something better opens up elsewhere? No thank you!
This may be a substantial part of why JMU looked like it was in line for the 14th spot if UMass had exercised their option to join the MAC all-sports. JMU was criticized in these boards for not taking the Sunbelt opening when it was available to them, but JMU seemed to want to join a conference that they would be satisfied with staying a member of for a while, and that would have strengthened their hand when talking to the MAC about a spot.
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I also find NDSU intriguing but the combination of geography and dividing up the small MAC revenue pie between 2 more schools, I doubt the MAC would go for it. If they added NDSU in the west and JMU in the east, I wouldn't complain - I'm not in charge of the travel budgets though.
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RE: MVC to the MAC
If WSU leaves the MVC I could see a few teams looking at options. Illinois State has talked about it in the past as has UNI. I think both would take the MAC if they felt the MVC was going to fall way off in basketball. I believe SIU has financial problems and I'm not sure about Illinois State. I can't speak to the MVFC only schools.
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RE: MVC to the MAC
The last couple years the basketball RPI of the MVC has been very similar to the MAC. I don't think there's a lot of difference there anymore, at least as a whole, top to bottom.
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I'm not sure that the MAC is really looking to go past 12 teams at this point. Playoff monies are only paid for up to 12 teams so any more than that dilutes everyone's distribution.

EKU consulted with both the Sun Belt and the MAC in looking to move its program up to FBS. There is a reason that it ended up moving more toward the Sun Belt.

Things could change, but that is how I've seen things play out.
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RE: MVC to the MAC
(02-03-2016 12:18 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  Illinois St. has been talking about it for years. They haven't had the money.

This is the only school I could see, but with illinois in trouble of funding their universities I doubt it. I think NDSU and UNI know they couldn't compete if they jumped to FBS.

I doubt NDSU is worried about competing. The program has more then enough resources to compete in a G5 league, problem is there are no G5 conferences that it could join since the school is located in an FBS desert.
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RE: MVC to the MAC
(02-04-2016 03:31 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 12:18 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  Illinois St. has been talking about it for years. They haven't had the money.

This is the only school I could see, but with illinois in trouble of funding their universities I doubt it. I think NDSU and UNI know they couldn't compete if they jumped to FBS.

I doubt NDSU is worried about competing. The program has more then enough resources to compete in a G5 league, problem is there are no G5 conferences that it could join since the school is located in an FBS desert.


Would the money go up if NDSU joins a G5 conference? Their games could be on ESPN channels more often than some of the other MAC schools like Eastern Michigan.

NDSU Vs Northern Illinois in November could draw a much better crowd than a Eastern Michigan Vs Northern Illinois.
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I think we would consider the MAC, we are an affiliate member already. Doesn't make the most sense geographically for us though, but we would bring St. Louis and Kansas City tv markets to the MAC.
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RE: MVC to the MAC
(02-04-2016 03:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:31 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 12:18 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  Illinois St. has been talking about it for years. They haven't had the money.

This is the only school I could see, but with illinois in trouble of funding their universities I doubt it. I think NDSU and UNI know they couldn't compete if they jumped to FBS.

I doubt NDSU is worried about competing. The program has more then enough resources to compete in a G5 league, problem is there are no G5 conferences that it could join since the school is located in an FBS desert.


Would the money go up if NDSU joins a G5 conference? Their games could be on ESPN channels more often than some of the other MAC schools like Eastern Michigan.

NDSU Vs Northern Illinois in November could draw a much better crowd than a Eastern Michigan Vs Northern Illinois.

I don't know if the money would go up. NDSU does have a strong relationship with ESPN and the dome looks great on TV. I am guessing there would be some interest there for TV games.
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Would NDSU have good crowds still if they were playing on a Tuesday night in November? If so, it would certainly look better on TV than a half-empty MAC stadium, if you're playing the game on TV for exposure.
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(02-04-2016 05:20 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Would NDSU have good crowds still if they were playing on a Tuesday night in November? If so, it would certainly look better on TV than a half-empty MAC stadium, if you're playing the game on TV for exposure.

Probably since Fargo is a decent sized metro and NDSU is basically a P5 mentality fan base because of being the only game in town.
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Eh, Fargo is more glamorous than anything else in the Dakotas but I wouldn't call it a decent sized metro.
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(02-04-2016 06:29 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Eh, Fargo is more glamorous than anything else in the Dakotas but I wouldn't call it a decent sized metro.

The entire Fargo metro area has less than half the population of Summit County, Ohio, where Akron is located.
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(02-05-2016 05:42 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 06:29 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Eh, Fargo is more glamorous than anything else in the Dakotas but I wouldn't call it a decent sized metro.

The entire Fargo metro area has less than half the population of Summit County, Ohio, where Akron is located.


I think there are more towns that are close by that is not part of the Metro Fargo area as well.
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(02-04-2016 06:29 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Eh, Fargo is more glamorous than anything else in the Dakotas but I wouldn't call it a decent sized metro.

Yeah. Fargo is known as the most pretentious locale in the Dakotas. They think they have the cultural life of Des Moines and Omaha, for goodness sake.

Fargo has been growing at a decent clip for 20+ years. North Dakota cities are not anything like rust belt cities in the industrial midwest, although Fargo is getting a reputation for gang crimes.
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(02-05-2016 05:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 05:42 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 06:29 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Eh, Fargo is more glamorous than anything else in the Dakotas but I wouldn't call it a decent sized metro.

The entire Fargo metro area has less than half the population of Summit County, Ohio, where Akron is located.


I think there are more towns that are close by that is not part of the Metro Fargo area as well.

Minnesota is only a mile from NDSU. A lot of people commute to Fargo jobs from Minnesota lake country. As said before, NDSU is majority Minnesotans, so it's a mistake to just look at North Dakota demographics. Much of western Minnesota depend on eastern Dakota cities to function as their retail and service headquarters. Fargo, Grand Forks, and Sioux Falls have trade areas that extend well into Minnesota.
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Even being right on Minnesota's periphery, Fargo is still an overgrown small town.
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