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The real question to me has never been “Does Bernie Sanders believe Socialism, deep in the pit of his heart?” That answer is obviously yes.

The real question is are Hillary Clinton’s or the average Democrat's view very different than Sanders' radical socialist views? Are people voting for Hilary because she is not socialist?
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It's not surprising college students will gravitate more toward the more fiery/anti-establishment candidates and social causes. Been like that for decades.
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(02-04-2016 01:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The real question to me has never been “Does Bernie Sanders believe Socialism, deep in the pit of his heart?” That answer is obviously yes.

The real question is are Hillary Clinton’s or the average Democrat's view very different than Sanders' radical socialist views? Are people voting for Hilary because she is not socialist?

Most people I know who don't follow politics are saying they are going to vote for Trump. These are people that typically dislike republicans or at least have in the past.

Anyone who is voting for Hillary is simply doing it because she isn't a Republican.
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(02-04-2016 01:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The real question to me has never been “Does Bernie Sanders believe Socialism, deep in the pit of his heart?” That answer is obviously yes.

The real question is are Hillary Clinton’s or the average Democrat's view very different than Sanders' radical socialist views? Are people voting for Hilary because she is not socialist?

I've always thought the average Democrat's view was very different than Sanders. Maybe it was in the past. With how many votes he's getting, I'm not so sure now. Still, it's early, and we'll see what happens when the rest of the country votes. IMO Hillary seems similar to Bill, and not as socialist as Bernie.
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(02-04-2016 12:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 09:11 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  Interesting assessment. I'm voting for Sanders because he's real and I believe in what he seems to stand for and has a clear record of being consistent in his stands and his views.
I can't say that for Hillary, who I fear is as much a part of the establishment as anyone else and will say or do anything to be elected.
And I'm older than the demographics now associated with Sanders. I'm white, married, Southern descendant of Confederates on both sides of my family, veteran, gun owner, employed and a former Republican who grew tired of the increasing rightward drift of the party and its monopolization by evangelicals and Tea Partiers whose only ideas seem to be government as a sort of Christian Taliban funded by the few taxes they might agree to pay.

How do you think the economy will function under Sanders? Who would be willing to risk investment in the US on Sanders's terms?

Hypothetical. I have $100 million to invest in a factory that will employ 3,000 people to manufacture a new and inventive product for sale worldwide. I expect to sell $1 billion a year and to realize $100 million pretax profit. Why would I build it in the US?

Assume that all factors other than those manipulated by government are basically a push with anywhere else in the world. Why would I invest in the US? If you can't give a compelling reason to invest in Bernie's USA, how can the economy be sustained?

Boils down to this. I "like" Bernie personally as I believe he is genuine and truly trying to do the right thing. I can't say that about anyone else particularly now that Paul has dropped out.

However any idea I might have had of protest voting with Bernie is out the window now that he might actually win the nom. I can't help that part of me wants to see him take down Hillary, though.
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(02-04-2016 02:03 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  It's not surprising college students will gravitate more toward the more fiery/anti-establishment candidates and social causes. Been like that for decades.

84% is pretty phenomenal.
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(02-04-2016 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 02:03 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  It's not surprising college students will gravitate more toward the more fiery/anti-establishment candidates and social causes. Been like that for decades.

84% is pretty phenomenal.

It's easy to have those views when one lives in a bubble and still depends on mom and dad, etc.
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(02-04-2016 03:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 02:03 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  It's not surprising college students will gravitate more toward the more fiery/anti-establishment candidates and social causes. Been like that for decades.

84% is pretty phenomenal.

It's easy to have those views when one lives in a bubble and still depends on mom and dad, etc.

Did very well from 30 to 44 too. I don't share their views but I don't think you can pin all of his support on people who depend on mom and dad.
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(02-04-2016 03:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 02:03 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  It's not surprising college students will gravitate more toward the more fiery/anti-establishment candidates and social causes. Been like that for decades.

84% is pretty phenomenal.

It's easy to have those views when one lives in a bubble and still depends on mom and dad, etc.

Did very well from 30 to 44 too. I don't share their views but I don't think you can pin all of his support on people who depend on mom and dad.

Most of it.
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(02-04-2016 03:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 02:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 02:03 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  It's not surprising college students will gravitate more toward the more fiery/anti-establishment candidates and social causes. Been like that for decades.

84% is pretty phenomenal.

It's easy to have those views when one lives in a bubble and still depends on mom and dad, etc.

Did very well from 30 to 44 too. I don't share their views but I don't think you can pin all of his support on people who depend on mom and dad.

I agree, there's also all the takers to account for.
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It's not even so much that I don't like Sanders, it's that his supporters are generally awful. I see his followers, and I cannot possibly support the guy.

That and he's a economically-challenged socialist blowhard, but whatevs.
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His supporters are a little like Ron Paul's were in that a lot of them (on the internet anyway) can't handle criticism and attack anyone who offers it in a "he can do no wrong" way. That bothered me with Paul's people but in the end it's about the candidate not the supporters. Like you said it's Bernie's policies that turn us off, rightfully..
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(02-04-2016 03:55 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  His supporters are a little like Ron Paul's were in that a lot of them (on the internet anyway) can't handle criticism and attack anyone who offers it in a "he can do no wrong" way. That bothered me with Paul's people but in the end it's about the candidate not the supporters. Like you said it's Bernie's policies that turn us off, rightfully..

Can't argue there. Ron Paul supporters (I am one) are generally similar when you challenge any of their beliefs. And there was certainly a basement-dwelling hipster portion of his base as well. I have a theory that they only supported Ron Paul because he wasn't a "conformist"
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(02-04-2016 03:59 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:55 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  His supporters are a little like Ron Paul's were in that a lot of them (on the internet anyway) can't handle criticism and attack anyone who offers it in a "he can do no wrong" way. That bothered me with Paul's people but in the end it's about the candidate not the supporters. Like you said it's Bernie's policies that turn us off, rightfully..

Can't argue there. Ron Paul supporters (I am one) are generally similar when you challenge any of their beliefs. And there was certainly a basement-dwelling hipster portion of his base as well. I have a theory that they only supported Ron Paul because he wasn't a "conformist"

Hell I tried not to be one of those guys but had some problems knee-jerking since Paul is one of the very few candidates I actually developed any passion for. Had to check myself and step back to look at the other side a few times.
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The Ron Paul squad was awful just a few years back. Do we even have to bring them up?
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(02-04-2016 03:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Did very well from 30 to 44 too.

Doubtful there are too many traditional middle class democrats supporting Bernie. I think this age spread is represented in general as

*Under-employed progressives who want free stuff and the easy way out.

*Over-employed progressives with all the money and luxury to support socialism as some sort of cute experiment.

As to his overwhelming support among the young, when you’re in college you wonder why the government doesn’t just create a program to fix all societies ills. It's when you grow up you come to realize that government is the source of most of our ills.
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(02-04-2016 02:03 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  It's not surprising college students will gravitate more toward the more fiery/anti-establishment candidates and social causes. Been like that for decades.

84% is pretty phenomenal.

84% are dumb enough to believe Bernie will get their college paid for. 16% are smart enough to know that he's full of sh*t.
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(02-04-2016 04:14 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Did very well from 30 to 44 too.

Doubtful there are too many traditional middle class democrats supporting Bernie. I think this age spread is represented in general as

*Under-employed progressives who want free stuff and the easy way out.

*Over-employed progressives with all the money and luxury to support socialism as some sort of cute experiment.

As to his overwhelming support among the young, when you’re in college you wonder why the government doesn’t just create a program to fix all societies ills. It's when you grow up you come to realize that government is the source of most of our ills.

Bingo.
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