(02-03-2016 09:34 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:29 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:17 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 07:03 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Article in question:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...67511.html

I want to give the HC the benefit of the doubt, but the sheer weight of the discipline issues seems to point to a structural issue.

Best wishes to all involved. This is getting old.

Easterwood made a great point on Parrish show yesterday. Every team has a knucklehead or two, but it's up to the coach to handle it. If a player is good enough, you just got to learn how to manage it. Playing less talented players over him isn't the answer. And that's what has happened the last two seasons with TB. He knows it and is rebelling.

I'm beyond ready to move on from the Pastner era, and I typically agree with Keith more than I'd like to admit...but I disagree with him on this. The phrase "if the player is good enough" makes it sound like the coach is expected to sweep things under the rug or turn a blind eye. That doesn't do anyone any good...especially the team as a whole. At some point, Trahson has to grow up, be a man, and understand that he's not the one in charge. If less talented players are playing ahead of him, maybe TB needs to come to terms with why they are playing ahead of him and do what's necessary to fix that.

That's not what he was saying. You keep that petty stuff in house and let the kids play. We are the only program in the country that does the "personal issue" thing.

How do we know it hasn't been in house for a while? I'm not privy to what goes on at practice, one-on-one meetings, team meetings, or locker room stuff...so I have no idea how long it's been going on. I'm just not ready to lay 100% of the blame at the coach's feet...the young man has to accept his share, as well.

(02-03-2016 09:37 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:34 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:29 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:17 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 07:03 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Article in question:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...67511.html

I want to give the HC the benefit of the doubt, but the sheer weight of the discipline issues seems to point to a structural issue.

Best wishes to all involved. This is getting old.

Easterwood made a great point on Parrish show yesterday. Every team has a knucklehead or two, but it's up to the coach to handle it. If a player is good enough, you just got to learn how to manage it. Playing less talented players over him isn't the answer. And that's what has happened the last two seasons with TB. He knows it and is rebelling.

I'm beyond ready to move on from the Pastner era, and I typically agree with Keith more than I'd like to admit...but I disagree with him on this. The phrase "if the player is good enough" makes it sound like the coach is expected to sweep things under the rug or turn a blind eye. That doesn't do anyone any good...especially the team as a whole. At some point, Trahson has to grow up, be a man, and understand that he's not the one in charge. If less talented players are playing ahead of him, maybe TB needs to come to terms with why they are playing ahead of him and do what's necessary to fix that.

That's not what he was saying. You keep that petty stuff in house and let the kids play. We are the only program in the country that does the "personal issue" thing.

How do we know it hasn't been in house for a while? I'm not privy to what goes on at practice, one-on-one meetings, team meetings, or locker room stuff...so I have no idea how long it's been going on. I'm just not ready to lay 100% of the blame at the coach's feet...the young man has to accept his share, as well.

This is not just about Burrell. It's been a pattern since day one with Pastner. And he's inconsistent depending on where he likes the player. If you have a smile on your face you can blow off practice and get benched for 2 minutes. If you smile and trip an opponent all you have to do is apologize. Players know when they are being jerked around. The fact is Josh can't handle hard edged players. And since about 90% of his recruiting area is full of them, this job is not a fit for him.

(02-03-2016 09:46 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:37 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:34 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:29 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:17 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Easterwood made a great point on Parrish show yesterday. Every team has a knucklehead or two, but it's up to the coach to handle it. If a player is good enough, you just got to learn how to manage it. Playing less talented players over him isn't the answer. And that's what has happened the last two seasons with TB. He knows it and is rebelling.

I'm beyond ready to move on from the Pastner era, and I typically agree with Keith more than I'd like to admit...but I disagree with him on this. The phrase "if the player is good enough" makes it sound like the coach is expected to sweep things under the rug or turn a blind eye. That doesn't do anyone any good...especially the team as a whole. At some point, Trahson has to grow up, be a man, and understand that he's not the one in charge. If less talented players are playing ahead of him, maybe TB needs to come to terms with why they are playing ahead of him and do what's necessary to fix that.

That's not what he was saying. You keep that petty stuff in house and let the kids play. We are the only program in the country that does the "personal issue" thing.

How do we know it hasn't been in house for a while? I'm not privy to what goes on at practice, one-on-one meetings, team meetings, or locker room stuff...so I have no idea how long it's been going on. I'm just not ready to lay 100% of the blame at the coach's feet...the young man has to accept his share, as well.

This is not just about Burrell. It's been a pattern since day one with Pastner. And he's inconsistent depending on where he likes the player. If you have a smile on your face you can blow off practice and get benched for 2 minutes. If you smile and trip an opponent all you have to do is apologize. Players know when they are being jerked around. The fact is Josh can't handle hard edged players. And since about 90% of his recruiting area is full of them, this job is not a fit for him.

I agree it has been a pattern over the past 7 years.

Bottom line is you can't cuss in the Memphis bball program. Burrell should have known this. He should have had a soda water and a piece of fruit and calmed his bonkus down.

(02-03-2016 09:46 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:37 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:34 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:29 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:17 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Easterwood made a great point on Parrish show yesterday. Every team has a knucklehead or two, but it's up to the coach to handle it. If a player is good enough, you just got to learn how to manage it. Playing less talented players over him isn't the answer. And that's what has happened the last two seasons with TB. He knows it and is rebelling.

I'm beyond ready to move on from the Pastner era, and I typically agree with Keith more than I'd like to admit...but I disagree with him on this. The phrase "if the player is good enough" makes it sound like the coach is expected to sweep things under the rug or turn a blind eye. That doesn't do anyone any good...especially the team as a whole. At some point, Trahson has to grow up, be a man, and understand that he's not the one in charge. If less talented players are playing ahead of him, maybe TB needs to come to terms with why they are playing ahead of him and do what's necessary to fix that.

That's not what he was saying. You keep that petty stuff in house and let the kids play. We are the only program in the country that does the "personal issue" thing.

How do we know it hasn't been in house for a while? I'm not privy to what goes on at practice, one-on-one meetings, team meetings, or locker room stuff...so I have no idea how long it's been going on. I'm just not ready to lay 100% of the blame at the coach's feet...the young man has to accept his share, as well.

This is not just about Burrell. It's been a pattern since day one with Pastner. And he's inconsistent depending on where he likes the player. If you have a smile on your face you can blow off practice and get benched for 2 minutes. If you smile and trip an opponent all you have to do is apologize. Players know when they are being jerked around. The fact is Josh can't handle hard edged players. And since about 90% of his recruiting area is full of them, this job is not a fit for him.

This is the bottom line.

These kids also act out from frustration due to the failed system that they are forced to play in. Whether yall see it or not most of these guys had dreams of playing professionally one day and see them being crushed right in front of them.

(02-03-2016 09:46 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:37 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:34 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:29 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:17 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  Easterwood made a great point on Parrish show yesterday. Every team has a knucklehead or two, but it's up to the coach to handle it. If a player is good enough, you just got to learn how to manage it. Playing less talented players over him isn't the answer. And that's what has happened the last two seasons with TB. He knows it and is rebelling.

I'm beyond ready to move on from the Pastner era, and I typically agree with Keith more than I'd like to admit...but I disagree with him on this. The phrase "if the player is good enough" makes it sound like the coach is expected to sweep things under the rug or turn a blind eye. That doesn't do anyone any good...especially the team as a whole. At some point, Trahson has to grow up, be a man, and understand that he's not the one in charge. If less talented players are playing ahead of him, maybe TB needs to come to terms with why they are playing ahead of him and do what's necessary to fix that.

That's not what he was saying. You keep that petty stuff in house and let the kids play. We are the only program in the country that does the "personal issue" thing.

How do we know it hasn't been in house for a while? I'm not privy to what goes on at practice, one-on-one meetings, team meetings, or locker room stuff...so I have no idea how long it's been going on. I'm just not ready to lay 100% of the blame at the coach's feet...the young man has to accept his share, as well.

This is not just about Burrell. It's been a pattern since day one with Pastner. And he's inconsistent depending on where he likes the player. If you have a smile on your face you can blow off practice and get benched for 2 minutes. If you smile and trip an opponent all you have to do is apologize. Players know when they are being jerked around. The fact is Josh can't handle hard edged players. And since about 90% of his recruiting area is full of them, this job is not a fit for him.

I think this is the crux of it.....how many of these "issues" and players have we seen this happen with? After this many years, whether the problem is disciplinary, performance-related, or otherwise, there would be fewer instances if JP could handle the job. That's obviously not the case.

It's all just complete bs.
Same shat different day.

(02-03-2016 11:20 AM)450bench Wrote:  It's all just complete bs.
Same shat different day.

ssss, same shat same shovel

(02-03-2016 01:05 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 11:20 AM)450bench Wrote:  It's all just complete bs.
Same shat different day.

ssss, same shat same shovel

That too.
Pastner is simply a bad joke at this point.

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Didn't Josh say that if it was up to him there would be no punishment? Wasn't the suspension handed down by the conference?

(02-03-2016 02:23 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Didn't Josh say that if it was up to him there would be no punishment? Wasn't the suspension handed down by the conference?

Yes.

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Done.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...g-incident

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The American Athletic Conference has suspended Memphis senior forward Shaq Goodwin one game for violating the league's sportsmanship code in apparently tripping an opponent while sitting on the bench during a loss to South Carolina.

Memphis said in a statement that Goodwin will miss Tuesday night's game against Nicholls State. Athletic officials said this resolves the matter."

Ok, ball's in your court, son.

(02-03-2016 02:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Done.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...g-incident

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The American Athletic Conference has suspended Memphis senior forward Shaq Goodwin one game for violating the league's sportsmanship code in apparently tripping an opponent while sitting on the bench during a loss to South Carolina.

Memphis said in a statement that Goodwin will miss Tuesday night's game against Nicholls State. Athletic officials said this resolves the matter."

Ok, ball's in your court, son.

(02-03-2016 02:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Done.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...g-incident

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The American Athletic Conference has suspended Memphis senior forward Shaq Goodwin one game for violating the league's sportsmanship code in apparently tripping an opponent while sitting on the bench during a loss to South Carolina.

Memphis said in a statement that Goodwin will miss Tuesday night's game against Nicholls State. Athletic officials said this resolves the matter."

Ok, ball's in your court, son.

I clearly already knew what you just posted. Getting suspended isn't indicative of being above the program. The idea that Shaq wasn't punish has been mentioned in multiple threads. Do you think it Pastner suspending him a 2nd game fits the crime? I don't.

Lots of reasons to bash Pastner. His handling of Shaq's discipline isn't one of them.

(02-03-2016 03:34 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Done.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...g-incident

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The American Athletic Conference has suspended Memphis senior forward Shaq Goodwin one game for violating the league's sportsmanship code in apparently tripping an opponent while sitting on the bench during a loss to South Carolina.

Memphis said in a statement that Goodwin will miss Tuesday night's game against Nicholls State. Athletic officials said this resolves the matter."

Ok, ball's in your court, son.

I clearly already knew what you just posted. Getting suspended isn't indicative of being above the program. The idea that Shaq wasn't punish has been mentioned in multiple threads. Do you think it Pastner suspending him a 2nd game fits the crime? I don't.

Lots of reasons to bash Pastner. His handling of Shaq's discipline isn't one of them.

The point being that JP had no intentions of suspending Shaq until it was handed down by the conference.

(02-03-2016 03:39 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 03:34 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  ^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Done.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...g-incident

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The American Athletic Conference has suspended Memphis senior forward Shaq Goodwin one game for violating the league's sportsmanship code in apparently tripping an opponent while sitting on the bench during a loss to South Carolina.

Memphis said in a statement that Goodwin will miss Tuesday night's game against Nicholls State. Athletic officials said this resolves the matter."

Ok, ball's in your court, son.

I clearly already knew what you just posted. Getting suspended isn't indicative of being above the program. The idea that Shaq wasn't punish has been mentioned in multiple threads. Do you think it Pastner suspending him a 2nd game fits the crime? I don't.

Lots of reasons to bash Pastner. His handling of Shaq's discipline isn't one of them.

The point being that JP had no intentions of suspending Shaq until it was handed down by the conference.

Yep.

(02-03-2016 03:34 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Done.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...g-incident

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The American Athletic Conference has suspended Memphis senior forward Shaq Goodwin one game for violating the league's sportsmanship code in apparently tripping an opponent while sitting on the bench during a loss to South Carolina.

Memphis said in a statement that Goodwin will miss Tuesday night's game against Nicholls State. Athletic officials said this resolves the matter."

Ok, ball's in your court, son.

I clearly already knew what you just posted. Getting suspended isn't indicative of being above the program. The idea that Shaq wasn't punish has been mentioned in multiple threads. Do you think it Pastner suspending him a 2nd game fits the crime? I don't.

Lots of reasons to bash Pastner. His handling of Shaq's discipline isn't one of them.

(02-03-2016 03:43 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 03:39 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 03:34 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Done.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...g-incident

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The American Athletic Conference has suspended Memphis senior forward Shaq Goodwin one game for violating the league's sportsmanship code in apparently tripping an opponent while sitting on the bench during a loss to South Carolina.

Memphis said in a statement that Goodwin will miss Tuesday night's game against Nicholls State. Athletic officials said this resolves the matter."

Ok, ball's in your court, son.

I clearly already knew what you just posted. Getting suspended isn't indicative of being above the program. The idea that Shaq wasn't punish has been mentioned in multiple threads. Do you think it Pastner suspending him a 2nd game fits the crime? I don't.

Lots of reasons to bash Pastner. His handling of Shaq's discipline isn't one of them.

The point being that JP had no intentions of suspending Shaq until it was handed down by the conference.

Yep.

I may have missed where Pastner said what his intentions were. If its out there, I'm sure Saluki will find it for me. Regardless, one game for a trip is plenty of punishment. I assume Pastner at least knew about the suspension from the AAC before the rest of us did, and could have decided not to impose extra punishment. At least not adding to the suspension.

(02-03-2016 02:27 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 02:18 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:51 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 05:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Apparently Shaq is "above the program."

^^^THIS^^^

Do a google search to find out what game Shaq tripped an opponent from the bench.

Then, do a google search to see who our next game was against.

Finally, do a google search to see how many minutes Shaq played in that next game.

Done.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...g-incident

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The American Athletic Conference has suspended Memphis senior forward Shaq Goodwin one game for violating the league's sportsmanship code in apparently tripping an opponent while sitting on the bench during a loss to South Carolina.

Memphis said in a statement that Goodwin will miss Tuesday night's game against Nicholls State. Athletic officials said this resolves the matter."

Ok, ball's in your court, son.