(02-04-2016 10:46 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:15 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:49 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 05:37 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:30 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  UConn's recruiting class ought to inspire the BXII brass to rethink again ("again" if you believe the twitter guys who said it was UConn who took our position in expansion talks - and I do). UConn's class is last in the ACC -- can't get worse there --- and 98th overall - can't get much worse there.

If UConn is considered, it isn't about the quality of their football program.

Was Rutgers added to the B1G because they were signing blue chippers?

Oh I agree --- nor is it the quality of their recruiting region, or their geography, or their cultural fit. Of course - Rutgers to the B10 makes more sense than UConn to the 'Texas centric conference' on a couple of those - at least. But, yes, I do believe that someone at UConn has convinced someone at the B12 that UConn delivers a large portion of the NY market. That B12 football will play well there --- Still the B12 missed on Louisville and Boren mentions that even now. And the academically rich ACC selected Louisville over UConn. So what the real selection factors are and how they're weighted can certainly be debated and should -- who knows (I hope)

UCONN or the Florida schools (which suck in sports) make no sense for the Bix XII at all. Nor does BYU. In the current structure only Memphis and Cincy make sense. Of course no one ever accused any of the university presidents or ADs of having sense.

I respectfully disagree. The Florida schools provide market penetration and an in on high level recruiting in an athlete rich state. BYU is a national brand that has real value, though less than they originally thought - they are not Notre Dame.

Memphis is an excellent candidate on our own merits, but other programs don't have to be downgraded to admit that.

Let's run over some strengths / weaknesses:

- Cincy: good market, good recruiting ground, best 'brand' available, best 'bridge' to WVU. A clear expansion leader in most projections.

- Houston: good football program, good market, but doesn't get you a footprint the B12 doesn't already have.

- Memphis: decent football and basketball, good (new) market but with lots of local competition (UTk / Ole Miss / MSt / Ark) for eyeballs, good corporate support, also helps WVU/Cincy bridge.

- BYU: Great FB program, controls an entire religious group's viewing habits, hard to schedule, long distance, but a no-brainer if you go FB only.

- USF/UCF: okay program, Miami/Orlando market penetration (but with Fla / Miami / FlSt comp), great recruiting inroads.

- UConn: NYC market penetration (albeit at a lower level than Rutgers and Cuse), no recruiting help, no help for distance, but ESPN could have their finger on the scale there. Open NE viewership a little. Would be a stronger candidate if they were not so far away.

That is SEVEN credible expansion candidates for 2 spots in the Big 12 (maybe 4 in Big 12 and additional B10 poaching of the ACC opens some ACC spots as well). Honestly, if I were being coldly calculating and not a Memphis fan, I'm taking 4 and taking Cincy / USF / UCF and BYU FB only.

It's not a slam dunk. I think Cincy is clearly 1 and all the others can make a credible case for spot 2.

We'll see, I still have some hope. It ain't over until the announcement...

Time fo Fred and Autozone to make a few visits to Texas

(02-04-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @theDudeofWV Adding UCONN, UC, UCF & USF would add 12,532,010 cable households.

Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

(02-04-2016 08:47 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @theDudeofWV Adding UCONN, UC, UCF & USF would add 12,532,010 cable households.

Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

(02-04-2016 08:53 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:47 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @theDudeofWV Adding UCONN, UC, UCF & USF would add 12,532,010 cable households.

Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

Surprised that you included USF in that list.

(02-04-2016 08:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:53 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:47 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @theDudeofWV Adding UCONN, UC, UCF & USF would add 12,532,010 cable households.

Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

Surprised that you included USF in that list.

That's how bad UCF football and its 'fans' are. For every UCF themed license plate, banner, sticker, flag, shirt, cap, etc I saw while living in Orlando I saw at least 100 from the other major Florida schools (yes, including USF). Hell, I even saw more support for Stetson than UCF in Orlando.

Big XII needs to crack the SEC and Memphis is the way to do that.

(02-04-2016 08:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:53 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:47 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @theDudeofWV Adding UCONN, UC, UCF & USF would add 12,532,010 cable households.

Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

Surprised that you included USF in that list.

Guys, don't sleep on UCF. 60k enrollment, number 2 in national. Every AAC event in NYC is two Memphis people, three temple fans and 1000 ucf folk...

I just wish we could catch a freaking break in this conference realignment stuff. Seems we are always just on the outside.

I forgot Boise had a football program the past couple of years.

(02-04-2016 08:53 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:47 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @theDudeofWV Adding UCONN, UC, UCF & USF would add 12,532,010 cable households.

Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

School attendance creates at least minimal interest which creates opportunity. If it's a school that plans to grow enrollment (I dont know anything about those schools, wxcept that I hope WE plan to grow our enrollment), then there's an opportunity that's more than an iota. And winning creates interest as well.

I dont think the degree of engagement or passion of a market for a specific school is a rigid measurement, but maybte there are some tv and ad marketers that can illuminate the issue...

(02-04-2016 10:09 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Guys, don't sleep on UCF. 60k enrollment, number 2 in national. Every AAC event in NYC is two Memphis people, three temple fans and 1000 ucf folk...

I stand corrected. If it's 60k, then wow. We need to get to 30 or 40 at least. And the iota crack is just silly then...

(02-05-2016 12:49 PM)kabluey Wrote:  School attendance creates at least minimal interest which creates opportunity. If it's a school that plans to grow enrollment (I dont know anything about those schools, wxcept that I hope WE plan to grow our enrollment),

Our enrollment has been growing slightly for the past 2 years. The ribbon cutting on the new dorm speaks to the fact that there is a plan to grow enrollment (likely of "traditional" students) by even more.

(02-04-2016 08:36 PM)dfwtxtiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 08:00 PM)croppi33 Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 06:57 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  I like Mike, I really do.

In the article he mentions that neither of the Florida schools have done much in sports.

He says this about Cincy: Cincinnati has developed the most consistent football program of potential expansion candidates

And we kicked their @$$ two years in a row. Then he gleams about UCONN's basketball program while we've been told forever that football is driving the ship.

Damn, pass the Tylenol.

Try BC. It works faster. At least it has for me.

No, couple of cold ones are better.

Liquor is quicker.

(02-04-2016 08:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:53 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:47 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @theDudeofWV Adding UCONN, UC, UCF & USF would add 12,532,010 cable households.

Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

Surprised that you included USF in that list.

When I was in Orlando recently I saw nothing about UCF football and that was in November. I saw more about U of F.

(02-05-2016 01:12 PM)croppi33 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:53 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:47 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 05:38 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @theDudeofWV Adding UCONN, UC, UCF & USF would add 12,532,010 cable households.

Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

Surprised that you included USF in that list.

When I was in Orlando recently I saw nothing about UCF football and that was in November. I saw more about U of F.

And you will not. That is the reason all of this BS regarding 'cable outlets' for UCF and USF is misleading. The households might be there, but what percentage tune in? Not many.

(02-05-2016 02:35 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 01:12 PM)croppi33 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:53 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:47 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Of which about 12M could not give a rat's arse about those four teams

Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

Surprised that you included USF in that list.

When I was in Orlando recently I saw nothing about UCF football and that was in November. I saw more about U of F.

And you will not. That is the reason all of this BS regarding 'cable outlets' for UCF and USF is misleading. The households might be there, but what percentage tune in? Not many.

The point has never been about how many TV sets a program brings because that program is playing. The point is how many POTENTIAL TV sets a program could bring. Period.

I imagine the B12 is looking at how many POTENTIAL TV sets in Orlando or Tampa or Cincinnati or Memphis or wherever...when and if say Texas or Oklahoma are playing there. What kind of reach and penetration for the B12 is POSSIBLE.

Especially since with ALL of the expansion candidates, ALL of the talk is not about what they are NOW, but about GROWTH.

I don't think the B12 adds USF/UCF, but I won't be shocked either just because of the pure number of POTENTIAL TV sets Orlando/Tampa would bring in a fertile recruiting area.

Sure, not many tune in for UCF vs. Temple, but maybe you get a much better TV rating with UCF vs. Oklahoma.

We all fully understand that currently USF and UCF do not BRING the current Tampa/Orlando market.

It's the same with the folks who act befuddled that UCONN is considered because of the NYC market, arguing that they don't bring that market - yeah, but they do have a 5% share of it among college sports teams - that's 5% more than any other expansion candidate, and that's not even counting the POTENTIAL eyeballs in their own state.

(02-05-2016 02:48 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:35 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 01:12 PM)croppi33 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:53 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  Nobody in the greater Orlando area cares one iota about UCF football. Once you're outside Orlando you're looking at finding nothing but USF, FSU, Miami and UoF fans.

Surprised that you included USF in that list.

When I was in Orlando recently I saw nothing about UCF football and that was in November. I saw more about U of F.

And you will not. That is the reason all of this BS regarding 'cable outlets' for UCF and USF is misleading. The households might be there, but what percentage tune in? Not many.

The point has never been about how many TV sets a program brings because that program is playing. The point is how many POTENTIAL TV sets a program could bring. Period.

I imagine the B12 is looking at how many POTENTIAL TV sets in Orlando or Tampa or Cincinnati or Memphis or wherever...when and if say Texas or Oklahoma are playing there. What kind of reach and penetration for the B12 is POSSIBLE.

Especially since with ALL of the expansion candidates, ALL of the talk is not about what they are NOW, but about GROWTH.

I don't think the B12 adds USF/UCF, but I won't be shocked either just because of the pure number of POTENTIAL TV sets Orlando/Tampa would bring in a fertile recruiting area.

Sure, not many tune in for UCF vs. Temple, but maybe you get a much better TV rating with UCF vs. Oklahoma.

We all fully understand that currently USF and UCF do not BRING the current Tampa/Orlando market.

It's the same with the folks who act befuddled that UCONN is considered because of the NYC market, arguing that they don't bring that market - yeah, but they do have a 5% share of it among college sports teams - that's 5% more than any other expansion candidate, and that's not even counting the POTENTIAL eyeballs in their own state.

Then why not invite Kennesaw State or Georgia State into the B12? Then they get the Atlanta market potential of 4.5 million? Neither would be worse that KS or ISU in football.

(02-05-2016 02:57 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:48 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:35 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 01:12 PM)croppi33 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 08:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Surprised that you included USF in that list.

When I was in Orlando recently I saw nothing about UCF football and that was in November. I saw more about U of F.

And you will not. That is the reason all of this BS regarding 'cable outlets' for UCF and USF is misleading. The households might be there, but what percentage tune in? Not many.

The point has never been about how many TV sets a program brings because that program is playing. The point is how many POTENTIAL TV sets a program could bring. Period.

I imagine the B12 is looking at how many POTENTIAL TV sets in Orlando or Tampa or Cincinnati or Memphis or wherever...when and if say Texas or Oklahoma are playing there. What kind of reach and penetration for the B12 is POSSIBLE.

Especially since with ALL of the expansion candidates, ALL of the talk is not about what they are NOW, but about GROWTH.

I don't think the B12 adds USF/UCF, but I won't be shocked either just because of the pure number of POTENTIAL TV sets Orlando/Tampa would bring in a fertile recruiting area.

Sure, not many tune in for UCF vs. Temple, but maybe you get a much better TV rating with UCF vs. Oklahoma.

We all fully understand that currently USF and UCF do not BRING the current Tampa/Orlando market.

It's the same with the folks who act befuddled that UCONN is considered because of the NYC market, arguing that they don't bring that market - yeah, but they do have a 5% share of it among college sports teams - that's 5% more than any other expansion candidate, and that's not even counting the POTENTIAL eyeballs in their own state.

Then why not invite Kennesaw State or Georgia State into the B12? Then they get the Atlanta market potential of 4.5 million?

Because it's not just about TV sets.

But when discussing TV sets, it's foolish to dismiss candidates just because they don't "bring" a market. That's short-sighted and not what TV set penetration is 100% about.

I think Cincinnati and Memphis make a lot of sense, but I'm not surprised by any other schools being mentioned right now.

They all have their positives and negatives.

(02-05-2016 03:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I think Cincinnati and Memphis make a lot of sense, but I'm not surprised by any other schools being mentioned right now.

They all have their positives and negatives.

could you please list the positives and negatives of all the potential schools