(02-02-2016 11:07 AM)Terry Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:39 AM)T-Town Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:05 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  Doesn't mean a thing until signing day and then some. Plus the fact NIU still recruits real well and produces, along with BGSU. I am more interested when the Miami Redhawks start making their presence mean something in the MAC again. As soon their coach in K-town flies the coop, WMU will be a also run again.

Over the past several years NIU has consistently had recruiting classes that were ranked below of those of Toledo---in fact in the current recruit class ranking posted today NIU ranks 119th out 125, very near the bottom of the barrel------yet in recent years, come the first Friday in December it is always NIU that is playing at Ford Field for the MAC Championship.

To me this suggests that recruiting class rankings are not reliable predictors of future success, although I would still rather have a class of 3 and 4 star recruits rather than a class of unrated recruits.

119 out of 129..... (four more on the next page)

Thanks---I fixed it. Still find it hard to believe how many FCS teams have moved up over the last decade. At this rate of expansion pretty soon there won't be any FCS teams left---of course the way the P5 is moving to distance itself from the G5, the G5 will likely be the new FCS.

(02-02-2016 11:51 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  Pinkel would very rarely (if ever) lose a commitment to another MAC school.

Different time back then. In general, there were very few decommitments compared to what we see today.......all across the country. Social media has created a flux of decommitting from recruits.

(02-02-2016 12:47 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  And Western has had three straight fabulously rated classes that can't win their own division let alone a MAC title.

Two (2014 and 2015). We were pretty low in the rankings in 2013.

Anyone watch the Temple game? What could anyone complain about... we looked fantastic. I will give Candle every benefit of the doubt. Now can he keep the discipline and toughness that Heacock delivered we will see, his DC is the biggest part of the equation. I'm thrilled to have a young energetic, down to earth, family man who seems in tune with players and has worked his way up.

(02-03-2016 09:21 AM)UT! Wrote:  Anyone watch the Temple game? What could anyone complain about... we looked fantastic. I will give Candle every benefit of the doubt. Now can he keep the discipline and toughness that Heacock delivered we will see, his DC is the biggest part of the equation. I'm thrilled to have a young energetic, down to earth, family man who seems in tune with players and has worked his way up.

Me, too!!!! Unless, you know, he starts, like, losing a lot or something.

I don't care what anyone else says, Candle still sucked as an OC...


But, the Temple game gives me hope. We have the talent. Just hoping to build off a 10 win season and perhaps finish next year with a MAC title and top 25 final ranking

(02-02-2016 06:07 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 11:51 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  Pinkel would very rarely (if ever) lose a commitment to another MAC school. Several UT has lost, along with kids opting for an FCS school and Appy State offer, hopefully does not detect a downward trend for Rocket recruiting. I'm thinking that once Candle gets a couple of good seasons under his belt, and the fact that he sticks around, Toledo football will be just fine.

If Candle gets a couple good years under his belt, he's gone. That was the obvious reason not to hire the next good'ol boy. It doesn't fix the problem. It appears it might not even delay it but this is just recruiting. If his staff can still hold their own on development and pick up some skill in game strategy, they might hold it together enough to make room for the next good ol boy.

I agree. I would rather have a proven coach that can recruit and build on the tradition at Toledo instead of it being a stepping stone

(02-03-2016 09:07 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 06:07 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 11:51 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  Pinkel would very rarely (if ever) lose a commitment to another MAC school. Several UT has lost, along with kids opting for an FCS school and Appy State offer, hopefully does not detect a downward trend for Rocket recruiting. I'm thinking that once Candle gets a couple of good seasons under his belt, and the fact that he sticks around, Toledo football will be just fine.

If Candle gets a couple good years under his belt, he's gone. That was the obvious reason not to hire the next good'ol boy. It doesn't fix the problem. It appears it might not even delay it but this is just recruiting. If his staff can still hold their own on development and pick up some skill in game strategy, they might hold it together enough to make room for the next good ol boy.

I agree. I would rather have a proven coach that can recruit and build on the tradition at Toledo instead of it being a stepping stone

But that's just the nature of being a MAC team. Any coach who comes here is hoping to do well enough to move up. What coach wouldn't want that? I suppose if you hired someone old enough maybe he wouldn't have aspirations, but that has its drawbacks, too.

(02-03-2016 09:22 PM)Dwight Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 09:07 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 06:07 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 11:51 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  Pinkel would very rarely (if ever) lose a commitment to another MAC school. Several UT has lost, along with kids opting for an FCS school and Appy State offer, hopefully does not detect a downward trend for Rocket recruiting. I'm thinking that once Candle gets a couple of good seasons under his belt, and the fact that he sticks around, Toledo football will be just fine.

If Candle gets a couple good years under his belt, he's gone. That was the obvious reason not to hire the next good'ol boy. It doesn't fix the problem. It appears it might not even delay it but this is just recruiting. If his staff can still hold their own on development and pick up some skill in game strategy, they might hold it together enough to make room for the next good ol boy.

I agree. I would rather have a proven coach that can recruit and build on the tradition at Toledo instead of it being a stepping stone

But that's just the nature of being a MAC team. Any coach who comes here is hoping to do well enough to move up. What coach wouldn't want that? I suppose if you hired someone old enough maybe he wouldn't have aspirations, but that has its drawbacks, too.

OU. Maybe Akron keeps their coach, too. In the MAC aid you win you move up, if you lose you get fired. There really aren't any Pinkels anymore.