(01-29-2016 10:06 AM)NCeagle Wrote: no breida or upshaw in the top 25?
hmmm......
Breida was honorable mention, but Upshaw is faster.
During Upshaw's 80-yard run in the bowl game, the two CBs who couldn't get to him were totally untouched by blockers. They both had an open field with which to pick out an angle and both had their angle blown up by a couple of yards.
I knew Upshaw was fast, but that was the first time he truly broke loose in the open field. No defender without a motorized vehicle is going to catch him in that situation.
You guys do realize how many nationally recognized track athletes play football too right? It does not surprise me that Breida and Upshaw are not in the top 25.
(01-29-2016 10:06 AM)NCeagle Wrote: no breida or upshaw in the top 25?
hmmm......
Breida was honorable mention, but Upshaw is faster.
During Upshaw's 80-yard run in the bowl game, the two CBs who couldn't get to him were totally untouched by blockers. They both had an open field with which to pick out an angle and both had their angle blown up by a couple of yards.
I knew Upshaw was fast, but that was the first time he truly broke loose in the open field. No defender without a motorized vehicle is going to catch him in that situation.
(01-29-2016 11:31 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: You guys do realize how many nationally recognized track athletes play football too right? It does not surprise me that Breida and Upshaw are not in the top 25.
If speed were everything Usain Bolt would've had a huge NFL contract by now, Dri Archer wouldn't have played at Kent State, Chris Johnson wouldn't have been at ECU, and Jayson Foster wouldn't have been at Georgia Southern. These guys didn't all of the sudden pick up a lot of speed once they started college.
It's not really at all unfathomable that the true fastest players are not at major P5 programs. The big boys look for the consummate players and don't just sign the fastest guys they can find. If that were the case you could just put all of your track sprinters on the football team and save money on scholarships.
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2016 11:43 AM by EigenEagle.)
(01-29-2016 11:31 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: You guys do realize how many nationally recognized track athletes play football too right? It does not surprise me that Breida and Upshaw are not in the top 25.
If that were the case you could just put all of your track sprinters on the football team and save money on scholarships.
You're better off putting them on your bobsled team.
(01-29-2016 11:31 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: You guys do realize how many nationally recognized track athletes play football too right? It does not surprise me that Breida and Upshaw are not in the top 25.
If speed were everything Usain Bolt would've had a huge NFL contract by now, Dri Archer wouldn't have played at Kent State, Chris Johnson wouldn't have been at ECU, and Jayson Foster wouldn't have been at Georgia Southern. These guys didn't all of the sudden pick up a lot of speed once they started college.
It's not really at all unfathomable that the true fastest players are not at major P5 programs. The big boys look for the consummate players and don't just sign the fastest guys they can find. If that were the case you could just put all of your track sprinters on the football team and save money on scholarships.
I totally agree and also think that this contributes to the ongoing recruiting discussions.
This is just my opinion, but - in addition to being seen by coaches from big-time powers - stars also accrue from fitting the mold of a pro-style offense.
You can have 5-star speed, but if you weigh 170 and aren't benching 300, that's going to chop a couple of stars off of your rating.
IMO - this is why schools with niche offenses can have underwhelming recruiting class rankings while continuing to crank out wins. This season isn't the best example, but Ga. Tech won the ACC a few years back with recruits that were mostly 2 and 3 stars. None of their guys fit the mold of a great skill player in a pro-style offense, but the undersized/quick OLs worked in the flexbone and the fast RBs didn't have to be strong or shifty when the option creates wide open holes to run through.
I'm sure that every school in the Belt has a 2-star or an unrated guy on their board that the coaches regard as a 4-star get simply because that player has a specific skill or two that directly benefits a niche role in the team's offense or defense.
(01-29-2016 11:31 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: You guys do realize how many nationally recognized track athletes play football too right? It does not surprise me that Breida and Upshaw are not in the top 25.
If that were the case you could just put all of your track sprinters on the football team and save money on scholarships.
You're better off putting them on your bobsled team.
(01-29-2016 11:39 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: If speed were everything Usain Bolt would've had a huge NFL contract by now, Dri Archer wouldn't have played at Kent State, Chris Johnson wouldn't have been at ECU, and Jayson Foster wouldn't have been at Georgia Southern. These guys didn't all of the sudden pick up a lot of speed once they started college.
It's not really at all unfathomable that the true fastest players are not at major P5 programs. The big boys look for the consummate players and don't just sign the fastest guys they can find. If that were the case you could just put all of your track sprinters on the football team and save money on scholarships.
There are a few guys in the G5 with world class speed, many of them also run track and field for their respective schools. Neither Upshaw or Breida ran a sub 11 sec 100 meter dash in high school (Technically Breida ran a 10.99 but that was wind aided). All of those guys in the top 25 were in the 10 sec benchmark, some of them in high school. I understand what you are saying, but when it comes to a flat out race Breida and Upshaw are likely not in the top 25 of college football. I'm sorry it's just true.
(01-29-2016 11:31 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote: You guys do realize how many nationally recognized track athletes play football too right? It does not surprise me that Breida and Upshaw are not in the top 25.
If that were the case you could just put all of your track sprinters on the football team and save money on scholarships.
You're better off putting them on your bobsled team.
Someone +rep this for me please
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2016 12:58 PM by ThaGinga.)
(01-29-2016 11:39 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: If speed were everything Usain Bolt would've had a huge NFL contract by now, Dri Archer wouldn't have played at Kent State, Chris Johnson wouldn't have been at ECU, and Jayson Foster wouldn't have been at Georgia Southern. These guys didn't all of the sudden pick up a lot of speed once they started college.
It's not really at all unfathomable that the true fastest players are not at major P5 programs. The big boys look for the consummate players and don't just sign the fastest guys they can find. If that were the case you could just put all of your track sprinters on the football team and save money on scholarships.
There are a few guys in the G5 with world class speed, many of them also run track and field for their respective schools. Neither Upshaw or Breida ran a sub 11 sec 100 meter dash in high school (Technically Breida ran a 10.99 but that was wind aided). All of those guys in the top 25 were in the 10 sec benchmark, some of them in high school. I understand what you are saying, but when it comes to a flat out race Breida and Upshaw are likely not in the top 25 of college football. I'm sorry it's just true.
And I'm not going to put much stock in hand-timed sprints when tenths of a second matter.
(01-29-2016 11:39 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: If that were the case you could just put all of your track sprinters on the football team and save money on scholarships.
You're better off putting them on your bobsled team.
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