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RE: The Economy, Streaming, and Needs of Conferences and Schools Have Changed Realignment
Schools will not be operating the telecasts of their own football and men's basketball games, any time in our lifetimes.

That would render conferences pretty much useless, in today's day and age. Even Notre Dame isn't independent in basketball and defers the operations of its football telecasts to a partner.

Dream on.
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RE: The Economy, Streaming, and Needs of Conferences and Schools Have Changed Realignment
(01-29-2016 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The next realignment could be swift and final as well.

Realignment is continual. Were any of the schools in their current conferences 150 years ago? The answer is no.

The metrics of whether a school has made it to the big time athletically are not in the P5 and G5 designations but in whether the school can pay the big salaries.
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RE: The Economy, Streaming, and Needs of Conferences and Schools Have Changed Realignment
(01-31-2016 01:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The next realignment could be swift and final as well.

Realignment is continual. Were any of the schools in their current conferences 150 years ago? The answer is no.

The metrics of whether a school has made it to the big time athletically are not in the P5 and G5 designations but in whether the school can pay the big salaries.

The networks weren't in control for the first 120 years. If they want to move to a P4 and they handle the contractual issues, the valuations for the GOR's and work in their own self interest it will be swift and final.

It's true that for a 120 years realignment happened in all but a handful of years. But the scope has changed because the motivation has changed.

It's not done now for academic associations as much as it is done for money.

How do you think they can afford to pay the big salaries?

There are budget cuts coming in higher ed in every state. In some ways the struggle to move up is also a struggle to survive.
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RE: The Economy, Streaming, and Needs of Conferences and Schools Have Changed Realignment
(01-31-2016 06:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-31-2016 01:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The next realignment could be swift and final as well.

Realignment is continual. Were any of the schools in their current conferences 150 years ago? The answer is no.

The metrics of whether a school has made it to the big time athletically are not in the P5 and G5 designations but in whether the school can pay the big salaries.

The networks weren't in control for the first 120 years. If they want to move to a P4 and they handle the contractual issues, the valuations for the GOR's and work in their own self interest it will be swift and final.

It's true that for a 120 years realignment happened in all but a handful of years. But the scope has changed because the motivation has changed.

It's not done now for academic associations as much as it is done for money.

How do you think they can afford to pay the big salaries?

There are budget cuts coming in higher ed in every state. In some ways the struggle to move up is also a struggle to survive.

i just don't think anyone can safely predict the college sports landscape beyond the immediate next 5-10 years.

Largely its not worth worrying about as things will change in the future in unexpected ways.
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RE: The Economy, Streaming, and Needs of Conferences and Schools Have Changed Realignment
(01-31-2016 12:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Schools will not be operating the telecasts of their own football and men's basketball games, any time in our lifetimes.

That would render conferences pretty much useless, in today's day and age. Even Notre Dame isn't independent in basketball and defers the operations of its football telecasts to a partner.
This amounts to an argument that things won't change in this way because it's not this way now.

If the commercial model changes so that the balance of benefit lies with schools operating telecasts of their own football and men's BBall games, then that's what they will do, and the fact that it would once again change the economic model of conferences (or "render conferences pretty much useless" in your hyperbolic exaggeration) would not be an impediment. A conferences is, after all, a membership club established for the benefit of its members, not the other way around.
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Right. So ... it won't change that way, in our lifetimes.
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RE: The Economy, Streaming, and Needs of Conferences and Schools Have Changed Realignment
(01-31-2016 12:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Schools will not be operating the telecasts of their own football and men's basketball games, any time in our lifetimes.

That would render conferences pretty much useless, in today's day and age. Even Notre Dame isn't independent in basketball and defers the operations of its football telecasts to a partner.

Dream on.

I suggest you look across the border and see what Iowa St. does with their Tier III.
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RE: The Economy, Streaming, and Needs of Conferences and Schools Have Changed Realignment
(01-31-2016 10:21 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Right. So ... it won't change that way, in our lifetimes.
(02-01-2016 12:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  I suggest you look across the border and see what Iowa St. does with their Tier III.
bullet has a good point ... in addition to there being no substance to the argument, it's also a prediction that something can't possible happen which is already happening in some cases.
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Iowa St is producing broadcasts of it's home football and men's basketball games and solely operating the telecasts of those productions??

I haven't looked at their site, but I doubt it
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RE: The Economy, Streaming, and Needs of Conferences and Schools Have Changed Realignment
(01-31-2016 12:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Schools will not be operating the telecasts of their own football and men's basketball games, any time in our lifetimes.

That would render conferences pretty much useless, in today's day and age. Even Notre Dame isn't independent in basketball and defers the operations of its football telecasts to a partner.

Dream on.


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(02-01-2016 08:37 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Iowa St is producing broadcasts of it's home football and men's basketball games and solely operating the telecasts of those productions??

I haven't looked at their site, but I doubt it

Nope we do, and it's not just basketball. We do it for all our sports like football, wrestling, basketball, etc. we have our own channel 798 and a full streaming site.

It isn't just games too, we have coach interviews, post game pressers, call in shows, and game replays. It's called cyclones.tv if you want to check it out.
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How much of the OP is opinion and how much is fact? #1 - 3 are presented as facts. FWIW, arkstfan has been talking about what would be important to the streaming model for a while now.
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CP, No, you're proving my point, actually.

I already know what you're talking about. NDSU even has something similar. Lots and lots of schools have that.


That wasn't my claim.


A hypothetical of my claim would be this: Notre Dane fans could only watch ND home football games by streaming a telecast from und.com, and logging into a und.com account for a monthly cost. No other way to view that production -- no NBC, no other channel by any means (OTA, cable, sat or streaming services).

THAT will never happen in our lifetimes.
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This is just the market settling itself out. And its sports in general, not just the NCAA. Here's what's going on

ESPN and the other broadcasters paid too much for much of the programming. They did so to lock up cable contracts using 'must pay' for the majority of Americans that are casual sports fans and would not pay 'a la carte' for sports at market rates. Cord cutting will continue. And non-cable aligned broadband is coming too.

Value will move from 'must carry/markets' to 'eyeballs'. This has tremendous implications for many teams. Some teams will be just fine (e.g, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.), but I think the teams with the most to lose will be the 'soft support' teams in large markets. Certainly, conferences can attempt to subsidize those teams (and they will) for a period, but after about a decade of this, the top earners will get tired of it. No need to freak out now, it will take 2 to 3 more years before the trouble really hits the sports programmers and another 5 before it gets really bad. Then there will be a 10 year period where the conferences and leagues just enforce equity. So 15 years from now, they'll probably be a major shakeup.

Below the top 30 programs, expect the end result to be MORE programming and more free programming (and really free - not free as in 'you pay 400 bucks a year for ESPN but the games are included free'). The non-top 30 teams won't get anywhere near in dollars what they receive now, but they'll have all the exposure they want. I kind of think it will be like what happened in the porn industry as a result of the internet. They'll be more of it and more of it will be free. The players/teams will make less per event but more people will be watching it.

OT. I think how this impacts pro sports to be every bit, if not more, interesting, than how this will impact the NCAA. The NHL will probably take a bath. So will weaker teams in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. Combined with stronger voter pushback away from taxpayer subsidies for sports programs....and this could get really interesting.
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The question for the FCS, G5, D2, D3 and NAIA schools is this. If they can't make money getting on tv? Why not they make extra money by going streaming the games online? This could give noticed to the Networks and the P5 schools to try that route out better. This way, ESPN could not force the conference Networks down on the cable companies, and ease up on the prices to cut the bleeding of cord cutting.
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(02-01-2016 09:56 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  CP, No, you're proving my point, actually.

I already know what you're talking about. NDSU even has something similar. Lots and lots of schools have that.


That wasn't my claim.


A hypothetical of my claim would be this: Notre Dane fans could only watch ND home football games by streaming a telecast from und.com, and logging into a und.com account for a monthly cost. No other way to view that production -- no NBC, no other channel by any means (OTA, cable, sat or streaming services).

THAT will never happen in our lifetimes.


I would love to have that option for all sports. I do that for every ND home baseball game now.

For several years prior to the ACC deal, a digital "Irish Channel" was Jack Swarbrick's pet project.
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You're still just talk about it as an *option*, though. We'll never see that as the *only option* (is, 100% control of the telecast and revenue stream by the schools themselves).
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In other words, some third party company is always going to be writing a fat check to Notre Fame for the right to operate/market the telecasts of Notre Dame home football games. We're never going to see the school 100% operating it as a stream from the school's website as the sole option.

That would take too much money out of too many pockets.
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(02-01-2016 02:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The question for the FCS, G5, D2, D3 and NAIA schools is this. If they can't make money getting on tv? Why not they make extra money by going streaming the games online? This could give noticed to the Networks and the P5 schools to try that route out better. This way, ESPN could not force the conference Networks down on the cable companies, and ease up on the prices to cut the bleeding of cord cutting.

I believe they have already tried that David.

Without mega football schools, no conference is worth more than a few million per school a year.

Just a few serious brands outside the P5. Big East basketball. Large AAC football schools. Boise State football. BYU. MACtion. That is about it.
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(01-31-2016 12:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Schools will not be operating the telecasts of their own football and men's basketball games, any time in our lifetimes.

That would render conferences pretty much useless, in today's day and age. Even Notre Dame isn't independent in basketball and defers the operations of its football telecasts to a partner.

Dream on.

Many schools already do.
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