Here is the San Francisco/Raiders article:

The Oakland Raiders stadium situation remains fairly nebulous, but Levi's Stadium might not be entirely off the table. While the Raiders figure out their stadium plans, San Francisco 49ers CEO Jed York seemed to leave the door open to sharing Levi's Stadium for some undetermined period of time.


The Raiders were among the three teams competing to move to Los Angeles, and for the time being, Oakland has lost out. The NFL approved plans for the St. Louis Rams to move, and has given the San Diego Chargers the first option to join the Rams in their new stadium. If the Chargers do not accept by early next year, then the Raiders would get an opportunity.

As York pointed out, Levi's Stadium has the capacity for two teams, and the term sheet with the city includes a section about a sub-tenant. For the Raiders, Levi's Stadium could provide a short-term option if they do end up leaving town. If they get a deal done to move to LA or San Diego (an option if the Chargers move), Levi's Stadium could provide a place for them to play while a new stadium is built.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/1/28/10...is-stadium

Mark Davis reportedly meeting with Vegas officials tomorrow:

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- While a leaked memo from UNLV president Len Jessup said representatives of the Oakland Raiders will be in Las Vegas on Friday to check out potential stadium sites, team owner Mark Davis would offer only a cryptic comment.

"In typical Raider fashion," Davis said with a laugh over the phone from the Bay Area, "I can neither confirm nor deny."

Davis will be in Las Vegas, and is scheduled to meet with Las Vegas Sands Chairman and CEO Sheldon Adelson, Sands spokesman Ron Reese confirmed.

The Sands Corp. announced Thursday that it was lending its support to build a $1 billion domed stadium on a vacant 42 acres of land recently purchased by UNLV near the corner of Tropicana Avenue and Koval Lane across from McCarran International Airport.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/146691...eaked-memo

Heard York talking about that on Rich Eisen's show this morning. He sounded so accommodating about it that I'm assuming he's thinking about the Raiders as a tenant, not partner.

Vegas would be perfect for the Raiders but the gambling would put the stops on it.

Putting it close to the Strip is probably for the best.

As for the gambling aspect, I don't see what the big deal is. There are a number of ways to fix a game, especially an NFL game, and few of them run through a bookie. This isn't the 1970's or something, as now it can be done online or with some common thug/gangster (with an er). Where's the scrutiny for the Saints? There are casinos throughout Louisiana including in Downtown New Orleans where they play? Both the Jets and Giants are an hour or so from Atlantic City. Granted, only Vegas does sports wagering but the Chargers and Cardinals have both been a quick flight away for almost three decades now, so cut the malarkey, both could be fixing games and we don't know it

(01-29-2016 02:34 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Putting it close to the Strip is probably for the best.

As for the gambling aspect, I don't see what the big deal is. There are a number of ways to fix a game, especially an NFL game, and few of them run through a bookie. This isn't the 1970's or something, as now it can be done online or with some common thug/gangster (with an er). Where's the scrutiny for the Saints? There are casinos throughout Louisiana including in Downtown New Orleans where they play? Both the Jets and Giants are an hour or so from Atlantic City. Granted, only Vegas does sports wagering but the Chargers and Cardinals have both been a quick flight away for almost three decades now, so cut the malarkey, both could be fixing games and we don't know it

Al Davis reportedly wanted to move to Las Vegas decades ago but knew Pete Rozelle would not allow it...this is Mike Florio and Pro Football Talk on this and why the NFL would not allow it but will not say anything to allow leverage:

It all sounds intriguing, intriguing enough to make “Las Vegas Raiders” into a Thursday night trending topic on Twitter. However, the NFL previously has made clear that it has no interest in moving a team to Las Vegas, due to the legality of sports gambling there. The league consistently has opposed the expansion of legalized gambling in states like New Jersey and Delaware, and the NFL said in 2013 that it’s unlikely that the league would stage the Pro Bowl or sanction any other game to be played in Las Vegas.

The NFL has yet to throw water on the idea of the Raiders moving to Las Vegas, possibly in an effort to get Oakland’s attention. But last year the NFL shut down an effort by Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo to host a fantasy-football convention at a non-gambling facility owned by, you guessed it, the Las Vegas Sands. It’s likely just a matter of time before the league makes it clear that the Raiders won’t be permitted to move to Las Vegas.

So the folks in Oakland, who have played this game of poker very well so far, aren’t about to freak out over the Raiders’ latest empty threat.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...las-vegas/

It's like I said, if someone wants to fix a game, they'll find a way and it's much easier to do now days than before or so I'd think. The electronic aspect is the x-factor.

(01-29-2016 06:51 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's like I said, if someone wants to fix a game, they'll find a way and it's much easier to do now days than before or so I'd think. The electronic aspect is the x-factor.

That maybe the case but the league not going to allow it...bad look and this is a long time stance.

I concur, the league won't allow it although any NFL player has more than enough time in any given week to fly or have someone on their behalf bet on something in Vegas between games. It's ridiculous. When they were fixing college sports games, which also led to a number of absurd rules changes in the NCAA that make the unsuspecting look bad, few of the arraingements came from Vegas.

(01-29-2016 10:05 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I concur, the league won't allow it although any NFL player has more than enough time in any given week to fly or have someone on their behalf bet on something in Vegas between games. It's ridiculous. When they were fixing college sports games, which also led to a number of absurd rules changes in the NCAA that make the unsuspecting look bad, few of the arraingements came from Vegas.

I agree and really see no real reason why Sports leagues have this stance...kind of hyprocritical especially with owners like Jerry Jones/Robert Kraft investing in Draft Kings/Fan Duel...

(01-29-2016 02:34 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Putting it close to the Strip is probably for the best.

As for the gambling aspect, I don't see what the big deal is. There are a number of ways to fix a game, especially an NFL game, and few of them run through a bookie. This isn't the 1970's or something, as now it can be done online or with some common thug/gangster (with an er). Where's the scrutiny for the Saints? There are casinos throughout Louisiana including in Downtown New Orleans where they play? Both the Jets and Giants are an hour or so from Atlantic City. Granted, only Vegas does sports wagering but the Chargers and Cardinals have both been a quick flight away for almost three decades now, so cut the malarkey, both could be fixing games and we don't know it

I am surprised the city of Las Vegas would even want it. It is like they are ignoring the elephant in the room. In the past when pro teams played in Vegas (the Jazz played there for a couple of years), and up until a few years ago in regards to UNLV, gambling had been prohibited on games involving Nevada based teams. If a Vegas team ever made the super bowl, the city would not be able to take super Bowl bets. To me, that sounds like a very bad deal for the city.

(01-29-2016 11:20 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 10:05 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I concur, the league won't allow it although any NFL player has more than enough time in any given week to fly or have someone on their behalf bet on something in Vegas between games. It's ridiculous. When they were fixing college sports games, which also led to a number of absurd rules changes in the NCAA that make the unsuspecting look bad, few of the arraingements came from Vegas.

I agree and really see no real reason why Sports leagues have this stance...kind of hyprocritical especially with owners like Jerry Jones/Robert Kraft investing in Draft Kings/Fan Duel...

I can understand both sides of it. On the one hand, because pro athletes make so much, as compared to past gambling issues, it is very hard for someone to offer an athlete, in a position to affect the outcome, enough money to do so.

But I think the fear is that a player in Vegas, frequents casinos and runs up big gambling debts, and may then be tempted to do unethical things to pay off the debts. It's not that I agree, but I can understand the concerns.

Yes....Davis is meeting with Sheldon Adelson-(Sands Owner and $$$ Man behind the project) today...Adelson involvement make this a No Go

(01-29-2016 12:14 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:20 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 10:05 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I concur, the league won't allow it although any NFL player has more than enough time in any given week to fly or have someone on their behalf bet on something in Vegas between games. It's ridiculous. When they were fixing college sports games, which also led to a number of absurd rules changes in the NCAA that make the unsuspecting look bad, few of the arraingements came from Vegas.

I agree and really see no real reason why Sports leagues have this stance...kind of hyprocritical especially with owners like Jerry Jones/Robert Kraft investing in Draft Kings/Fan Duel...

I can understand both sides of it. On the one hand, because pro athletes make so much, as compared to past gambling issues, it is very hard for someone to offer an athlete, in a position to affect the outcome, enough money to do so.

But I think the fear is that a player in Vegas, frequents casinos and runs up big gambling debts, and may then be tempted to do unethical things to pay off the debts. It's not that I agree, but I can understand the concerns.

The fear is that NFL players will be seen publicly associating with dubious characters in Vegas and that it might hurt the league's image. Remember this infamous old photo of 3 UNLV basketball players in a hot tub in Vegas with a guy who called himself "The Fixer"?

(01-29-2016 11:57 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I am surprised the city of Las Vegas would even want it. It is like they are ignoring the elephant in the room. In the past when pro teams played in Vegas (the Jazz played there for a couple of years), and up until a few years ago in regards to UNLV, gambling had been prohibited on games involving Nevada based teams. If a Vegas team ever made the super bowl, the city would not be able to take super Bowl bets. To me, that sounds like a very bad deal for the city.

I agree, though I say again, there's nothing stopping any player at any given time from coordinating a fix involving Vegas or not. That's what makes it asinine.

(01-29-2016 12:14 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I can understand both sides of it. On the one hand, because pro athletes make so much, as compared to past gambling issues, it is very hard for someone to offer an athlete, in a position to affect the outcome, enough money to do so.

But I think the fear is that a player in Vegas, frequents casinos and runs up big gambling debts, and may then be tempted to do unethical things to pay off the debts. It's not that I agree, but I can understand the concerns.

They can succumb to gambling debts anyways and that comes down to self responsibility. Michael Jordan anyone? That helps explains his first "retirement."

Sports gaming is one thing but I say again, Atlantic City is approx. an hour from Philly and East Rutherford/NYC. There's at least one casino that I know of in Downtown New Orleans and San Diego, Arizona and Houston all at least have casinos within a round trip days' drive. Do we ever hear of Eagles, Giants, Jets, Chargers, Saints, Texans, etc... players racking up gambling debts?

(01-29-2016 12:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The fear is that NFL players will be seen publicly associating with dubious characters in Vegas and that it might hurt the league's image. Remember this infamous old photo of 3 UNLV basketball players in a hot tub in Vegas with a guy who called himself "The Fixer"?

Then they shouldn't let anyone move to LA because we know there's some seedy characters there, like some movie producers, porn/sex slave traders, etc... NYC is full of them.

The excuses, not coming from you but in general, are so weak.

A team like the Raiders belongs in Vegas if they're not to stay in Oakland.

The NFL needs to work with the gaming industry. Not against it.

I can't remember when/how I heard this, if it was on the radio or TV, but there was a guy talking about how professional Tennis works with the gaming industry and it's actually the industry that alerts them when they detect abnormal betting patterns for a match. They recently (?) found rigged matches, this way.

(01-29-2016 11:16 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  A team like the Raiders belongs in Vegas if they're not to stay in Oakland.

Gotta agree...Oakland, Los Angeles and Las Vegas....