Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

ACC: Louisville.

Big 12: WVU

B1G: Rutgers

P12: Colorado

SEC: Missouri

What do they all have in common? They are new additions. Founding members would never get jettisoned. That trumps other stuff.

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

SEC would be MSU. They are #2 in a small poor state. Vandy at least has money.

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

I think the SEC is happy with all their members. A few years ago Mississippi State might have gotten the boot but I think they have proven they can compete.

ACC: If they could they would kick out Wake Forest and probably add East Carolina. The Pirates keep them at four in NC and the NC schools control the conference still. The addition brings another good southern football program that can put butts in the seats and creates a good game day atmosphere for tv. Clemson-ECU, NCState-ECU, UNC-ECU, VT-ECU, FSU-ECU would all be great TV games. ECU baseball would be on par with the ACC bring in another power program to keep the ACC good there. Basketball wouldn't be that great but would probably be about how Wake Forest is now and would get better. Also ACC doesn't need too many good basketball schools they have enough.

Big Ten: Is probably happy with all their members but they would probably trade Purdue for Notre Dame.

PAC-12: Would probably trade Washington State for Boise State. Their both not the greatest schools for education and both in the Idaho-Washington region. Boise State would probably bring more fans another good football program and a basketball program better off too.

Big 12: If they could they would probably trade Kansas State for Nebraska, West Virginia for Texas A&M, and Iowa State for Missouri. (I bet they would take back the old Big 12 in a heart beat).

G5 schools just for fun!!!
American: Probably trade Tulane or Tulsa for Rice and Southern Miss

C-USA: Probably trade UTEP (Just so far) for Georgia Southern.

MAC: Probably trade Buffalo for Marshall

MWC: I think they are happy right now, but would probably trade out San Jose State for BYU.

Sun Belt: Trade Idaho and NM State for James Madison and someone else

(01-28-2016 11:11 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  ACC: If they could they would kick out Wake Forest and probably add East Carolina.

ACC trade a founding member for East Carolina? East Carolina?

Big 10- no members should be dropped.
SEC- Mississippi State for SMU
Pac 12- Oreg State, Washington State for UNLV and Boise state
ACC- Wake Forest for cincy, uconn or WVU
Big 12- probably nobody since they can't upgrade much. They could add Mississippi state if the SEC kicked them out

Mississippi State has been a part of the SEC since the beginning. There isn't a soul in any important position that wants them gone. They are part of the crew. The same is true for Vanderbilt.

The only team in the SEC that could come and go and a lot of folks, both lay and important, wouldn't care is Missouri. It has nothing to do with anything about Missouri; they simply are the new kid.

It's an entirely different question to ask which team would be thrown out over a specific metric. But, on the whole the real answer is nobody.

The same is true for a lot of the teams in the other conferences. They are part of the culture and part of the crew. Nobody wants them gone for any reason or based on any weakness.

The MAC covets Marshall but they wouldn't give up Buffalo one of its strongest brands for them.

(01-28-2016 11:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

ACC: Louisville.

Big 12: WVU

B1G: Rutgers

P12: Colorado

SEC: Missouri

What do they all have in common? They are new additions. Founding members would never get jettisoned. That trumps other stuff.

This. Long-term institutional relationships aren't as sexy as championships, market sizes/shares and academic prestige, but they're consistently underrated by the realignment Risk crowd. Wake Forest would have to not only suck at every sport for at least a decade (and probably longer), they'd have to make an overt statement that they refuse to compete through cutting scholarships, dropping sports and dramatically slashing its athletic budget. If even then.

And while the most recent additions are somewhat more vulnerable, even then it would take a lot to wedge them out, because they knew what the label on the can read and they took it to the checkout anyway. It's not as though West Virginia bordered Iowa and Kansas when the Big 12 offered, then moved to where it is now.

Power conferences are like what I've heard about Ivy League schools: Hard as hell to get in, but once you do, you're set.

(01-28-2016 11:47 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

ACC: Louisville.

Big 12: WVU

B1G: Rutgers

P12: Colorado

SEC: Missouri

What do they all have in common? They are new additions. Founding members would never get jettisoned. That trumps other stuff.

This. Long-term institutional relationships aren't as sexy as championships, market sizes/shares and academic prestige, but they're consistently underrated by the realignment Risk crowd. Wake Forest would have to not only suck at every sport for at least a decade (and probably longer), they'd have to make an overt statement that they refuse to compete through cutting scholarships, dropping sports and dramatically slashing its athletic budget. If even then.

And while the most recent additions are somewhat more vulnerable, even then it would take a lot to wedge them out, because they knew what the label on the can read and they took it to the checkout anyway. It's not as though West Virginia bordered Iowa and Kansas when the Big 12 offered, then moved to where it is now.

Power conferences are like what I've heard about Ivy League schools: Hard as hell to get in, but once you do, you're set.

While obviously impossible, West Virginia moving to border Kansas/Iowa is an interesting idea. Instead of forcing out schools, allow schools to just relocate!

Each conference would have its own standards. For instance, the SEC isn't really a "ctity" conference, but would love to be in Raleigh/Durham, etc. So the SEC wouldn't move a team to LA, but the Big 12 desperately needs markets (under the current system that many on here think is over already), so they could ship Iowa State/Kansas State to LA.

(To clarify, I completely get this is impossible and ridiculous.)

B1G: Rutgers, off yonder is PSU

PAC: Utah

ACC: UL...maybe VT because politics forced that addition. I wonder if FSU could ever piss off enough people?

B12: TCU, Tech if it didn't rile up the state house

SEC: Missouri? Maybe Vandy? Seems like this conference knew how to expand

The one I don't envy is Utah, because Boulder has been wanted for some time, by PAC and B1G. Utah rounded out numbers.

Let's do 2 from each

Florida State
Clemson
Texas
Oklahoma
Michigan
Ohio State
Southern Cal
Oregon
Alabama
Louisiana State

Form a Super 10 conference

(01-28-2016 11:11 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

I think the SEC is happy with all their members. A few years ago Mississippi State might have gotten the boot but I think they have proven they can compete.

ACC: If they could they would kick out Wake Forest and probably add East Carolina. The Pirates keep them at four in NC and the NC schools control the conference still. The addition brings another good southern football program that can put butts in the seats and creates a good game day atmosphere for tv. Clemson-ECU, NCState-ECU, UNC-ECU, VT-ECU, FSU-ECU would all be great TV games. ECU baseball would be on par with the ACC bring in another power program to keep the ACC good there. Basketball wouldn't be that great but would probably be about how Wake Forest is now and would get better. Also ACC doesn't need too many good basketball schools they have enough.

Big Ten: Is probably happy with all their members but they would probably trade Purdue for Notre Dame.

PAC-12: Would probably trade Washington State for Boise State. Their both not the greatest schools for education and both in the Idaho-Washington region. Boise State would probably bring more fans another good football program and a basketball program better off too.

Big 12: If they could they would probably trade Kansas State for Nebraska, West Virginia for Texas A&M, and Iowa State for Missouri. (I bet they would take back the old Big 12 in a heart beat).

G5 schools just for fun!!!
American: Probably trade Tulane or Tulsa for Rice and Southern Miss

C-USA: Probably trade UTEP (Just so far) for Georgia Southern.

MAC: Probably trade Buffalo for Marshall

MWC: I think they are happy right now, but would probably trade out San Jose State for BYU.

Sun Belt: Trade Idaho and NM State for James Madison and someone else

I have a great fondness for ECU, but it will snow in San Juan before the ACC boots Wake for the Pirates. If anybody in the ACC would be at risk, I would have to pick BC, based on geography, performance in major sports, and recency of membership. I believe they would not have been invited if not for Miami's urging, and Miami is no longer a threat to go elsewhere if their desire to protect BC were ignored.

(01-28-2016 12:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:11 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

I think the SEC is happy with all their members. A few years ago Mississippi State might have gotten the boot but I think they have proven they can compete.

ACC: If they could they would kick out Wake Forest and probably add East Carolina. The Pirates keep them at four in NC and the NC schools control the conference still. The addition brings another good southern football program that can put butts in the seats and creates a good game day atmosphere for tv. Clemson-ECU, NCState-ECU, UNC-ECU, VT-ECU, FSU-ECU would all be great TV games. ECU baseball would be on par with the ACC bring in another power program to keep the ACC good there. Basketball wouldn't be that great but would probably be about how Wake Forest is now and would get better. Also ACC doesn't need too many good basketball schools they have enough.

Big Ten: Is probably happy with all their members but they would probably trade Purdue for Notre Dame.

PAC-12: Would probably trade Washington State for Boise State. Their both not the greatest schools for education and both in the Idaho-Washington region. Boise State would probably bring more fans another good football program and a basketball program better off too.

Big 12: If they could they would probably trade Kansas State for Nebraska, West Virginia for Texas A&M, and Iowa State for Missouri. (I bet they would take back the old Big 12 in a heart beat).

G5 schools just for fun!!!
American: Probably trade Tulane or Tulsa for Rice and Southern Miss

C-USA: Probably trade UTEP (Just so far) for Georgia Southern.

MAC: Probably trade Buffalo for Marshall

MWC: I think they are happy right now, but would probably trade out San Jose State for BYU.

Sun Belt: Trade Idaho and NM State for James Madison and someone else

I have a great fondness for ECU, but it will snow in San Juan before the ACC boots Wake for the Pirates. If anybody in the ACC would be at risk, I would have to pick BC, based on geography, performance in major sports, and recency of membership. I believe they would not have been invited if not for Miami's urging, and Miami is no longer a threat to go elsewhere if their desire to protect BC were ignored.

Did Miami really push for BC at the time? I thought that their inclusion was a result of a lot of dominoes falling correctly: No championship for an 11 team conference, Notre Dame showing no interest at the time, Big East continuing the hybrid model and expanding to 16 teams. It could have been BC or Syracuse then.

(01-28-2016 12:44 PM)rjglassett Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 12:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:11 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

I think the SEC is happy with all their members. A few years ago Mississippi State might have gotten the boot but I think they have proven they can compete.

ACC: If they could they would kick out Wake Forest and probably add East Carolina. The Pirates keep them at four in NC and the NC schools control the conference still. The addition brings another good southern football program that can put butts in the seats and creates a good game day atmosphere for tv. Clemson-ECU, NCState-ECU, UNC-ECU, VT-ECU, FSU-ECU would all be great TV games. ECU baseball would be on par with the ACC bring in another power program to keep the ACC good there. Basketball wouldn't be that great but would probably be about how Wake Forest is now and would get better. Also ACC doesn't need too many good basketball schools they have enough.

Big Ten: Is probably happy with all their members but they would probably trade Purdue for Notre Dame.

PAC-12: Would probably trade Washington State for Boise State. Their both not the greatest schools for education and both in the Idaho-Washington region. Boise State would probably bring more fans another good football program and a basketball program better off too.

Big 12: If they could they would probably trade Kansas State for Nebraska, West Virginia for Texas A&M, and Iowa State for Missouri. (I bet they would take back the old Big 12 in a heart beat).

G5 schools just for fun!!!
American: Probably trade Tulane or Tulsa for Rice and Southern Miss

C-USA: Probably trade UTEP (Just so far) for Georgia Southern.

MAC: Probably trade Buffalo for Marshall

MWC: I think they are happy right now, but would probably trade out San Jose State for BYU.

Sun Belt: Trade Idaho and NM State for James Madison and someone else

I have a great fondness for ECU, but it will snow in San Juan before the ACC boots Wake for the Pirates. If anybody in the ACC would be at risk, I would have to pick BC, based on geography, performance in major sports, and recency of membership. I believe they would not have been invited if not for Miami's urging, and Miami is no longer a threat to go elsewhere if their desire to protect BC were ignored.

Did Miami really push for BC at the time? I thought that their inclusion was a result of a lot of dominoes falling correctly: No championship for an 11 team conference, Notre Dame showing no interest at the time, Big East continuing the hybrid model and expanding to 16 teams. It could have been BC or Syracuse then.

My recollection of the series of events that led to BC being invited is that they filled two interests. They were supported by Miami, who the ACC desperately wanted, and they were seen as a logical travel partner for Syracuse, which was the choice for the 12th spot. Syracuse was torpedoed by Virginia politics. UVa had the deciding vote, since UNC and Duke had opposed any expansion at the time. Powerful Virginia legislators made it clear to the Cavs that they needed to vote no unless Va Tech got a golden ticket. The result was that BC got in, but on an even more remote island than the league originally anticipated.

(01-28-2016 12:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 12:44 PM)rjglassett Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 12:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:11 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

I think the SEC is happy with all their members. A few years ago Mississippi State might have gotten the boot but I think they have proven they can compete.

ACC: If they could they would kick out Wake Forest and probably add East Carolina. The Pirates keep them at four in NC and the NC schools control the conference still. The addition brings another good southern football program that can put butts in the seats and creates a good game day atmosphere for tv. Clemson-ECU, NCState-ECU, UNC-ECU, VT-ECU, FSU-ECU would all be great TV games. ECU baseball would be on par with the ACC bring in another power program to keep the ACC good there. Basketball wouldn't be that great but would probably be about how Wake Forest is now and would get better. Also ACC doesn't need too many good basketball schools they have enough.

Big Ten: Is probably happy with all their members but they would probably trade Purdue for Notre Dame.

PAC-12: Would probably trade Washington State for Boise State. Their both not the greatest schools for education and both in the Idaho-Washington region. Boise State would probably bring more fans another good football program and a basketball program better off too.

Big 12: If they could they would probably trade Kansas State for Nebraska, West Virginia for Texas A&M, and Iowa State for Missouri. (I bet they would take back the old Big 12 in a heart beat).

G5 schools just for fun!!!
American: Probably trade Tulane or Tulsa for Rice and Southern Miss

C-USA: Probably trade UTEP (Just so far) for Georgia Southern.

MAC: Probably trade Buffalo for Marshall

MWC: I think they are happy right now, but would probably trade out San Jose State for BYU.

Sun Belt: Trade Idaho and NM State for James Madison and someone else

I have a great fondness for ECU, but it will snow in San Juan before the ACC boots Wake for the Pirates. If anybody in the ACC would be at risk, I would have to pick BC, based on geography, performance in major sports, and recency of membership. I believe they would not have been invited if not for Miami's urging, and Miami is no longer a threat to go elsewhere if their desire to protect BC were ignored.

Did Miami really push for BC at the time? I thought that their inclusion was a result of a lot of dominoes falling correctly: No championship for an 11 team conference, Notre Dame showing no interest at the time, Big East continuing the hybrid model and expanding to 16 teams. It could have been BC or Syracuse then.

My recollection of the series of events that led to BC being invited is that they filled two interests. They were supported by Miami, who the ACC desperately wanted, and they were seen as a logical travel partner for Syracuse, which was the choice for the 12th spot. Syracuse was torpedoed by Virginia politics. UVa had the deciding vote, since UNC and Duke had opposed any expansion at the time. Powerful Virginia legislators made it clear to the Cavs that they needed to vote no unless Va Tech got a golden ticket. The result was that BC got in, but on an even more remote island than the league originally anticipated.

Um, BC sits in the 8th largest and one of the wealthiest media markets on the country and has decent numbers in that market. It's games are covered on the flagship cable network in New England (NESN). It has enjoyed FB success since coming into the ACC.

I do think this whole issue is irrelevant as there has never been a case of a team thrown out of a conference. (Temple was not a full member of the BE in 2003 as they played FB in the BE under contract.)

(01-28-2016 01:03 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 12:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 12:44 PM)rjglassett Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 12:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:11 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I think the SEC is happy with all their members. A few years ago Mississippi State might have gotten the boot but I think they have proven they can compete.

ACC: If they could they would kick out Wake Forest and probably add East Carolina. The Pirates keep them at four in NC and the NC schools control the conference still. The addition brings another good southern football program that can put butts in the seats and creates a good game day atmosphere for tv. Clemson-ECU, NCState-ECU, UNC-ECU, VT-ECU, FSU-ECU would all be great TV games. ECU baseball would be on par with the ACC bring in another power program to keep the ACC good there. Basketball wouldn't be that great but would probably be about how Wake Forest is now and would get better. Also ACC doesn't need too many good basketball schools they have enough.

Big Ten: Is probably happy with all their members but they would probably trade Purdue for Notre Dame.

PAC-12: Would probably trade Washington State for Boise State. Their both not the greatest schools for education and both in the Idaho-Washington region. Boise State would probably bring more fans another good football program and a basketball program better off too.

Big 12: If they could they would probably trade Kansas State for Nebraska, West Virginia for Texas A&M, and Iowa State for Missouri. (I bet they would take back the old Big 12 in a heart beat).

G5 schools just for fun!!!
American: Probably trade Tulane or Tulsa for Rice and Southern Miss

C-USA: Probably trade UTEP (Just so far) for Georgia Southern.

MAC: Probably trade Buffalo for Marshall

MWC: I think they are happy right now, but would probably trade out San Jose State for BYU.

Sun Belt: Trade Idaho and NM State for James Madison and someone else

I have a great fondness for ECU, but it will snow in San Juan before the ACC boots Wake for the Pirates. If anybody in the ACC would be at risk, I would have to pick BC, based on geography, performance in major sports, and recency of membership. I believe they would not have been invited if not for Miami's urging, and Miami is no longer a threat to go elsewhere if their desire to protect BC were ignored.

Did Miami really push for BC at the time? I thought that their inclusion was a result of a lot of dominoes falling correctly: No championship for an 11 team conference, Notre Dame showing no interest at the time, Big East continuing the hybrid model and expanding to 16 teams. It could have been BC or Syracuse then.

My recollection of the series of events that led to BC being invited is that they filled two interests. They were supported by Miami, who the ACC desperately wanted, and they were seen as a logical travel partner for Syracuse, which was the choice for the 12th spot. Syracuse was torpedoed by Virginia politics. UVa had the deciding vote, since UNC and Duke had opposed any expansion at the time. Powerful Virginia legislators made it clear to the Cavs that they needed to vote no unless Va Tech got a golden ticket. The result was that BC got in, but on an even more remote island than the league originally anticipated.

Um, BC sits in the 8th largest and one of the wealthiest media markets on the country and has decent numbers in that market. It's games are covered on the flagship cable network in New England (NESN). It has enjoyed FB success since coming into the ACC.

I do think this whole issue is irrelevant as there has never been a case of a team thrown out of a conference. (Temple was not a full member of the BE in 2003 as they played FB in the BE under contract.)

Those things may be true, but I don't think they were important considerations in 2004. I think if Miami had been willing to come to the ACC without any other BE mates, the league would have been at least as happy to be at 10 members as 12. The possibility of getting a CCG was only a minor consideration, and by itself would not have caused the ACC to expand. At the time, only 2 of the 6 AQ conferences had a championship game - the SEC and Big XII - and TV contracts weren't yet nearly as lucrative as they have become.

You are right about this issue being irrelevant. The OP was only a hypothetical question. BC isn't in danger of being expelled, and neither is Wake Forest.

(01-28-2016 11:00 AM)jhasting Wrote:  Opinion Question. Considering all factors (brand, TV market, academics, revenue sports success, Olympic sports success, geography, culture ...) and any GOR could be broken, which school(s) are most likely candidates to be dropped by each P5 conference?

ACC: Wake Forest has had little revenue sports success compared with the rest of ACC. (NOTE: Gene & Dixie will protest)

B12: West Virginia. Geography.

B1G: Rutgers. They are a state flagship school but have had shockingly low revenue & Olympic sports success. They are also on the lower end of B1G academics.

P12: Washington State. Their academics and athletic history are not in-line with the rest of P12.

SEC: This is the hardest to select. Vanderbilt athletics or Mississippi State academics?

Wake Forest is not being dropped. FSU is more likely to unwisely leave before the ACC intentionally "drops" Wake.

BC sits in the 8th largest and one of the wealthiest media markets on the country and has decent numbers in that market.

Massachusetts also is on the Atlantic Coast so at that time, Like Miami and VT, all were in coastal states. I know it's a stretch but Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre dame & Louisville are indirectly fed water from the Atlantic ocean from the St. Lawrence river to the great lakes and Alleganey River to the Mighty Ohio River. Which also passes by West Virginia and Cincinnati Ohio.

(01-28-2016 01:29 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  BC sits in the 8th largest and one of the wealthiest media markets on the country and has decent numbers in that market.

Massachusetts also is on the Atlantic Coast so at that time, Like Miami and VT, all were in coastal states. I know it's a stretch but Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre dame & Louisville are indirectly fed water from the Atlantic ocean from the St. Lawrence river to the great lakes and Alleganey River to the Mighty Ohio River. Which also passes by West Virginia and Cincinnati Ohio.

You're aware that New York has an actual coastline on the Atlantic Ocean or its associated bays, harbors, estuaries, sounds, etc. right? I mean Long Island, Westchester County and the 5 boroughs do count as a coastline as far as I know.