Evidently Stan Kroenke is driving a extremely hard bargin...not real surprising IMO...From the article:

The soap opera that is the Chargers quest for Los Angeles has apparently hit yet another road block. It seems negotiations between the two sides have screeched to a halt and now it seems likely the Bolts will be back in San Diego for at least the 2016 season.

XTRA Sports 1360 radio host Steve Hartman says he spoke to a Rams official who told him the Chargers and Rams have come to an impasse in their talks. The two teams have been trying to come to an agreement on a move that would allow the Chargers to join the Rams in their new NFL stadium in Inglewood.

The biggest issue has been finding a business relationship that works for both sides. The Rams have offered either a lease agreement or an equity partnership. Chargers owner Dean Spanos has been mulling the ideas for almost a full two weeks, with active negotiations going on at least half that time, and still no decision has been made.

The NFL has installed a March 23 deadline for the Bolts to make their decision so the league can finalize schedules and all the other business of getting ready for the 2016 season.

Even before that, Spanos and his team would have to inform the City of San Diego that they plan to renew their yearly lease to play at Qualcomm Stadium. Chargers Special Counsel Mark Fabiani has said the preference is for the team to work out a deal and move to Los Angeles but not ruled out a return, however brief, to San Diego.
As they continue to “crunch the numbers,” as Chargers President of Business Operations A.G. Spanos put it to NBC 7 SportsWrap, the franchise has placed itself in a kind of limbo. They’re losing time in Los Angeles to potentially market the team and earn fans, something that will be difficult with a team like the Rams (who played in the L.A. area from 1946 to 1994) already having a strong presence there.

If the Chargers do decide to play back in San Diego one more season they can still try to negotiate a deal with the Rams all the way up until January 17 of 2017. They also have the option of putting Los Angeles completely on the back-burner and focusing on trying to build a stadium in San Diego again.

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It will happen. The Chargers have no choice.

Maybe the so-called "impasse" is just the Chargers wanting more time to think about the options and the Rams pressing for a faster answer.

"almost a full two weeks ... and still no decision has been made" -- doesn't seem surprising to me, or even newsworthy, that someone would spend "a full two weeks" before agreeing to the final details on a billion-dollar decision.

Wishful Thinking Alert: This story comes from a San Diego talk radio host and a San Diego TV station, so be careful before buying into the "Chargers staying in San Diego! At least one more season!" message.

Actually they have a choice and that is to go back and talk to San Diego...use that $100 Million from the NFL and also avoid the $550 Million Relocation Fee. IMO this is a plain and simple power play by Silent Stan to own LA 100%.

(01-25-2016 10:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Maybe the so-called "impasse" is just the Chargers wanting more time to think about the options and the Rams pressing for a faster answer.

"almost a full two weeks ... and still no decision has been made" -- doesn't seem surprising to me, or even newsworthy, that someone would spend "a full two weeks" before agreeing to the final details on a billion-dollar decision.

Wishful Thinking Alert: This story comes from a San Diego talk radio host and a San Diego TV station, so be careful before buying into the "Chargers staying in San Diego! At least one more season!" message.

They basically have until the 23rd March to get to Los Angeles in 2016.

(01-25-2016 10:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  It will happen. The Chargers have no choice.

this is just a big game of chicken. By drawing it out, Spanos hopes the threat of of the Raiders being to new tenet will force Kroeke to offer a better deal.

(01-26-2016 08:38 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 10:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  It will happen. The Chargers have no choice.

this is just a big game of chicken. By drawing it out, Spanos hopes the threat of of the Raiders being to new tenet will force Kroeke to offer a better deal.

Pretty good observation....Kroenke first choice is LA all to himself...second choice is having the Chargers...no way he wants the Raiders in Los Angeles.

Maybe the Chargers don't have a decent place to play in LA in 2016, so they will have to play in San Diego in 2016. In that case, it's in the Chargers interest to delay their announcement they are moving.

Also if the Raiders move to LA if the Chargers do not, it is mutually beneficial for the Rams and Chargers to delay that move as much as possible.

And if the Raiders move to San Diego, it also in the Rams and Chargers best interest to delay that move as long as possible.

So my guess is the Chargers will delay the final decision as long as possible. They may even claim in Jan 2017 they are really close, but need 1 more year to get the deal done, and get a 1 year extension. Meanwhile the Raiders sit in limbo.

(01-26-2016 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  So my guess is the Chargers will delay the final decision as long as possible. They may even claim in Jan 2017 they are really close, but need 1 more year to get the deal done, and get a 1 year extension. Meanwhile the Raiders sit in limbo.

That would hurt the Chargers much more than the Raiders. Chargers can't afford to let the Rams have 2016 and 2017 as the only NFL team in LA. They need to seize the opportunity to start there in 2016, at the same time as the Rams.

(01-26-2016 12:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  So my guess is the Chargers will delay the final decision as long as possible. They may even claim in Jan 2017 they are really close, but need 1 more year to get the deal done, and get a 1 year extension. Meanwhile the Raiders sit in limbo.

That would hurt the Chargers much more than the Raiders. Chargers can't afford to let the Rams have 2016 and 2017 as the only NFL team in LA. They need to seize the opportunity to start there in 2016, at the same time as the Rams.

Unless the Chargers end up staying in San Diego.

(01-26-2016 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  Maybe the Chargers don't have a decent place to play in LA in 2016, so they will have to play in San Diego in 2016. In that case, it's in the Chargers interest to delay their announcement they are moving.

Also if the Raiders move to LA if the Chargers do not, it is mutually beneficial for the Rams and Chargers to delay that move as much as possible.

And if the Raiders move to San Diego, it also in the Rams and Chargers best interest to delay that move as long as possible.

So my guess is the Chargers will delay the final decision as long as possible. They may even claim in Jan 2017 they are really close, but need 1 more year to get the deal done, and get a 1 year extension. Meanwhile the Raiders sit in limbo.

USC has already said they have room for two NFL teams if need be.

(01-26-2016 01:33 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 12:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  So my guess is the Chargers will delay the final decision as long as possible. They may even claim in Jan 2017 they are really close, but need 1 more year to get the deal done, and get a 1 year extension. Meanwhile the Raiders sit in limbo.

That would hurt the Chargers much more than the Raiders. Chargers can't afford to let the Rams have 2016 and 2017 as the only NFL team in LA. They need to seize the opportunity to start there in 2016, at the same time as the Rams.

Unless the Chargers end up staying in San Diego.

If they want to play it both ways and wait for the result of a public vote in San Diego, they can. But they wouldn't do that unless they want to stay in San Diego.

(01-26-2016 02:44 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 01:33 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 12:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  So my guess is the Chargers will delay the final decision as long as possible. They may even claim in Jan 2017 they are really close, but need 1 more year to get the deal done, and get a 1 year extension. Meanwhile the Raiders sit in limbo.

That would hurt the Chargers much more than the Raiders. Chargers can't afford to let the Rams have 2016 and 2017 as the only NFL team in LA. They need to seize the opportunity to start there in 2016, at the same time as the Rams.

Unless the Chargers end up staying in San Diego.

If they want to play it both ways and wait for the result of a public vote in San Diego, they can. But they wouldn't do that unless they want to stay in San Diego.

Meh, people's memories are funny. If the Chargers wait one more year to move, 20 years from now, people will remember the Rams and Chargers moving around the same time. The whole idea that the Chargers have to move now or concede LA forever is overblown. Either way it will be hard to build a fan base and either way they were going to be 2nd to the Rams. One year won't make a big difference.

(01-26-2016 05:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  Meh, people's memories are funny. If the Chargers wait one more year to move, 20 years from now, people will remember the Rams and Chargers moving around the same time. The whole idea that the Chargers have to move now or concede LA forever is overblown. Either way it will be hard to build a fan base and either way they were going to be 2nd to the Rams. One year won't make a big difference.

That is not what they are referring to. The are referring to ticket and suite buys, AND allowing themselves to permanently be the number 2 team. No one remembers when the Dodgers ro Angels came to town, or the Clippers or Lakers, but in both cases the team that was there first has a clear advantage over the rest. Same with the New York teams. So it does kind of matter.

(01-28-2016 04:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 05:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  Meh, people's memories are funny. If the Chargers wait one more year to move, 20 years from now, people will remember the Rams and Chargers moving around the same time. The whole idea that the Chargers have to move now or concede LA forever is overblown. Either way it will be hard to build a fan base and either way they were going to be 2nd to the Rams. One year won't make a big difference.

That is not what they are referring to. The are referring to ticket and suite buys, AND allowing themselves to permanently be the number 2 team. No one remembers when the Dodgers ro Angels came to town, or the Clippers or Lakers, but in both cases the team that was there first has a clear advantage over the rest. Same with the New York teams. So it does kind of matter.

It may already be decided. The Chargers have always been #3 among the teams trying to move. They have no history here (1 season 50+ years ago doesn't count) and, despite Spanos's assertions, I haven't seen any real data that shows a significant number of Chargers fans north of Camp Pendleton. If they had agreed to move on the day of the NFL's decision, they would have been behind. Now? They'll be climbing out of an even deeper hole.

Spanos has been played like a fiddle in all of this. He listened to his owner buddies like Jerry Richardson who promised him the moon, so he held fast when he was offered an opportunity to join Kroenke months ago. He continued to alienate San Diego. And it turns out Carson never had a chance. So now he's got no negotiating leverage with Kroenke, and the City of San Diego, fed up with Spanos, sees a potential opportunity with the Raiders. So even if Spanos thinks he might stay in SD his leverage there is severely weakened.

No matter how this ends up playing out, Spanos will end up with a poorer deal than he could have had.

(01-28-2016 04:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 05:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  Meh, people's memories are funny. If the Chargers wait one more year to move, 20 years from now, people will remember the Rams and Chargers moving around the same time. The whole idea that the Chargers have to move now or concede LA forever is overblown. Either way it will be hard to build a fan base and either way they were going to be 2nd to the Rams. One year won't make a big difference.

That is not what they are referring to. The are referring to ticket and suite buys, AND allowing themselves to permanently be the number 2 team. No one remembers when the Dodgers ro Angels came to town, or the Clippers or Lakers, but in both cases the team that was there first has a clear advantage over the rest. Same with the New York teams. So it does kind of matter.

IDK, The Cubs are older than the White Sox but that may not have mattered if the Sox had more titles over the decades. The Anaheim Mighty Ducks were created to great hype and publicity despite the presence of the Kings, who even had Wayne Gretzky.

(01-28-2016 06:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 04:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 05:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  Meh, people's memories are funny. If the Chargers wait one more year to move, 20 years from now, people will remember the Rams and Chargers moving around the same time. The whole idea that the Chargers have to move now or concede LA forever is overblown. Either way it will be hard to build a fan base and either way they were going to be 2nd to the Rams. One year won't make a big difference.

That is not what they are referring to. The are referring to ticket and suite buys, AND allowing themselves to permanently be the number 2 team. No one remembers when the Dodgers ro Angels came to town, or the Clippers or Lakers, but in both cases the team that was there first has a clear advantage over the rest. Same with the New York teams. So it does kind of matter.

IDK, The Cubs are older than the White Sox but that may not have mattered if the Sox had more titles over the decades. The Anaheim Mighty Ducks were created to great hype and publicity despite the presence of the Kings, who even had Wayne Gretzky.

The Ducks aren't here despite the Kings and Gretzky; they're here because of Gretzky. The Kings, with Gretzky, created the market in Orange County. Anaheim is 40 miles from the Forum, in another county. The target markets don't overlap anywhere near as much as the Chargers' and Rams' target markets, which are nearly identical. The Ducks and Kings didn't (and don't) fight for the same fans like the Rams and whomever co-occupies their stadium.

(01-28-2016 06:12 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  the City of San Diego, fed up with Spanos, sees a potential opportunity with the Raiders. So even if Spanos thinks he might stay in SD his leverage there is severely weakened.

San Diego actually might be in a better position with the Raiders than the Chargers. With the Chargers, SD has to negotiate against the mountains of money that are (probably) waiting and the $2 billion palace Kroenke is building. With the Raiders, SD only has to negotiate against Oakland, where the city's position seems to be, "We'll give you a piece of land, Mark, and the rest is up to you." In that competition, Davis might decide that paying $300-400 million toward a new stadium in SD is more attractive to him than borrowing $1 billion or more to build in Oakland.