Was Dana Kirk a wow hire?

(01-25-2016 06:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  'non wow' is kind of nebulous, but
I'm not sure we can take much more of the this now 'wow' stuff.

Those of us who cannot get to the 'acceptance' stage are experiencing a vitality drain.

I still have my tickets but that TSF check ain't getting any easier to stroke year by year. The point of this thread was to understand if folks would renew if we hired "anybody but Pastner," or if we had to have a proven winner for them to come back.

I've been vocal that it is my opinion that we are stuck with Pastner for one more year but if he is fired, the contract situation makes it likely that the money may not be there to throw at a big time head coach.

Just trying to understand where fans are at. I have talked to a LOT of longtime season ticket holders who have either let their seats go or greatly reduced the # of tickets held (one person had 8 and now has 2)

(01-25-2016 06:07 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  'non wow' is kind of nebulous, but
I'm not sure we can take much more of the this now 'wow' stuff.

Those of us who cannot get to the 'acceptance' stage are experiencing a vitality drain.

I still have my tickets but that TSF check ain't getting any easier to stroke year by year. The point of this thread was to understand if folks would renew if we hired "anybody but Pastner," or if we had to have a proven winner for them to come back.

I've been vocal that it is my opinion that we are stuck with Pastner for one more year but if he is fired, the contract situation makes it likely that the money may not be there to throw at a big time head coach.

Just trying to understand where fans are at. I have talked to a LOT of longtime season ticket holders who have either let their seats go or greatly reduced the # of tickets held (one person had 8 and now has 2)

In your opinion, do we need a wow hire?

I think you can spin Damon into a wow hire, despite his lack of HC experience, mainly b/c of his long and effective NBA career.

I'm not saying many would see it that way, but would a Damon hire be a hopeful move for enough people to earn some goodwill?

Thoughts?

Memphians have historically supported Tiger basketball and winners. The reason fans are leaving/have left, of course, is that they aren't watching anything that resembles Tiger basketball. You get that back, whoever the coach is, and the fans will start coming back. You add a little bit of winning into the mix, and all will be forgiven in a New York minute.

(01-25-2016 06:25 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:07 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  'non wow' is kind of nebulous, but
I'm not sure we can take much more of the this now 'wow' stuff.

Those of us who cannot get to the 'acceptance' stage are experiencing a vitality drain.

I still have my tickets but that TSF check ain't getting any easier to stroke year by year. The point of this thread was to understand if folks would renew if we hired "anybody but Pastner," or if we had to have a proven winner for them to come back.

I've been vocal that it is my opinion that we are stuck with Pastner for one more year but if he is fired, the contract situation makes it likely that the money may not be there to throw at a big time head coach.

Just trying to understand where fans are at. I have talked to a LOT of longtime season ticket holders who have either let their seats go or greatly reduced the # of tickets held (one person had 8 and now has 2)

In your opinion, do we need a wow hire?

I think you can spin Damon into a wow hire, despite his lack of HC experience, mainly b/c of his long and effective NBA career.

I'm not saying many would see it that way, but would a Damon hire be a hopeful move for enough people to earn some goodwill?

Thoughts?

Funny. I thought my opinion was more obvious. Most any hire would be better than what is happening.

I would be ecstatic with Damon.

(01-25-2016 06:07 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  'non wow' is kind of nebulous, but
I'm not sure we can take much more of the this now 'wow' stuff.

Those of us who cannot get to the 'acceptance' stage are experiencing a vitality drain.

I still have my tickets but that TSF check ain't getting any easier to stroke year by year. The point of this thread was to understand if folks would renew if we hired "anybody but Pastner," or if we had to have a proven winner for them to come back.

I've been vocal that it is my opinion that we are stuck with Pastner for one more year but if he is fired, the contract situation makes it likely that the money may not be there to throw at a big time head coach.

Just trying to understand where fans are at. I have talked to a LOT of longtime season ticket holders who have either let their seats go or greatly reduced the # of tickets held (one person had 8 and now has 2)

My vitality level is pretty low watching this death by a thousand cuts to our BB program. Give me a change, brother--any change would do in this storm. I think many who are considering leaving would not leave and many would return.

I don't buy the 'we're doomed for ten year theory.

(01-25-2016 06:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:25 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:07 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  'non wow' is kind of nebulous, but
I'm not sure we can take much more of the this now 'wow' stuff.

Those of us who cannot get to the 'acceptance' stage are experiencing a vitality drain.

I still have my tickets but that TSF check ain't getting any easier to stroke year by year. The point of this thread was to understand if folks would renew if we hired "anybody but Pastner," or if we had to have a proven winner for them to come back.

I've been vocal that it is my opinion that we are stuck with Pastner for one more year but if he is fired, the contract situation makes it likely that the money may not be there to throw at a big time head coach.

Just trying to understand where fans are at. I have talked to a LOT of longtime season ticket holders who have either let their seats go or greatly reduced the # of tickets held (one person had 8 and now has 2)

In your opinion, do we need a wow hire?

I think you can spin Damon into a wow hire, despite his lack of HC experience, mainly b/c of his long and effective NBA career.

I'm not saying many would see it that way, but would a Damon hire be a hopeful move for enough people to earn some goodwill?

Thoughts?

Funny. I thought my opinion was more obvious. Most any hire would be better than what is happening.

I would be ecstatic with Damon.

Snow, I was asking 2000, hence me quoting him.

However, I appreciate your opinion as well and it is duly noted

Carry on.

(01-25-2016 06:25 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:07 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  'non wow' is kind of nebulous, but
I'm not sure we can take much more of the this now 'wow' stuff.

Those of us who cannot get to the 'acceptance' stage are experiencing a vitality drain.

I still have my tickets but that TSF check ain't getting any easier to stroke year by year. The point of this thread was to understand if folks would renew if we hired "anybody but Pastner," or if we had to have a proven winner for them to come back.

I've been vocal that it is my opinion that we are stuck with Pastner for one more year but if he is fired, the contract situation makes it likely that the money may not be there to throw at a big time head coach.

Just trying to understand where fans are at. I have talked to a LOT of longtime season ticket holders who have either let their seats go or greatly reduced the # of tickets held (one person had 8 and now has 2)

In your opinion, do we need a wow hire?

I think you can spin Damon into a wow hire, despite his lack of HC experience, mainly b/c of his long and effective NBA career.

I'm not saying many would see it that way, but would a Damon hire be a hopeful move for enough people to earn some goodwill?

Thoughts?

If life has taught me anything it's that what I want and what's feasible are very often two different things. I want John Wooden to come back to life and take over the Tigers but that ain't happening. I think that Damon would be a feasible hire for a short period of time while the Pastner contract remainder whittles down. I hope his time in he NBA could translate to teaching players. I want to see fundamentally sound hard nosed, competitive basketball on the court at the Forum. Whether it's an up and comer or a "wow" hire that provides that right now, I don't care.

But I'm just one fan and a fanbase = many fans. There are a million scenarios so we'll see.

(01-25-2016 06:48 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:25 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:07 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  'non wow' is kind of nebulous, but
I'm not sure we can take much more of the this now 'wow' stuff.

Those of us who cannot get to the 'acceptance' stage are experiencing a vitality drain.

I still have my tickets but that TSF check ain't getting any easier to stroke year by year. The point of this thread was to understand if folks would renew if we hired "anybody but Pastner," or if we had to have a proven winner for them to come back.

I've been vocal that it is my opinion that we are stuck with Pastner for one more year but if he is fired, the contract situation makes it likely that the money may not be there to throw at a big time head coach.

Just trying to understand where fans are at. I have talked to a LOT of longtime season ticket holders who have either let their seats go or greatly reduced the # of tickets held (one person had 8 and now has 2)

In your opinion, do we need a wow hire?

I think you can spin Damon into a wow hire, despite his lack of HC experience, mainly b/c of his long and effective NBA career.

I'm not saying many would see it that way, but would a Damon hire be a hopeful move for enough people to earn some goodwill?

Thoughts?

Funny. I thought my opinion was more obvious. Most any hire would be better than what is happening.

I would be ecstatic with Damon.

Snow, I was asking 2000, hence me quoting him.

However, I appreciate your opinion as well and it is duly noted

Carry on.

Thank you. I do lurves to carryon in semi dramatic fashion.

(01-25-2016 06:50 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:48 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:25 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:07 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  I still have my tickets but that TSF check ain't getting any easier to stroke year by year. The point of this thread was to understand if folks would renew if we hired "anybody but Pastner," or if we had to have a proven winner for them to come back.

I've been vocal that it is my opinion that we are stuck with Pastner for one more year but if he is fired, the contract situation makes it likely that the money may not be there to throw at a big time head coach.

Just trying to understand where fans are at. I have talked to a LOT of longtime season ticket holders who have either let their seats go or greatly reduced the # of tickets held (one person had 8 and now has 2)

In your opinion, do we need a wow hire?

I think you can spin Damon into a wow hire, despite his lack of HC experience, mainly b/c of his long and effective NBA career.

I'm not saying many would see it that way, but would a Damon hire be a hopeful move for enough people to earn some goodwill?

Thoughts?

Funny. I thought my opinion was more obvious. Most any hire would be better than what is happening.

I would be ecstatic with Damon.

Snow, I was asking 2000, hence me quoting him.

However, I appreciate your opinion as well and it is duly noted

Carry on.

Thank you. I do lurves to carryon in semi dramatic fashion.

LOL, hope that's decaf snow, it's late already

(01-25-2016 06:02 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Was Dana Kirk a wow hire?

Spot on

(01-25-2016 10:42 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Just hire a guy that can coach the F outta some basketball.

The rest will take care of itself.

this

Doesn't have to be a wow to get most fans back. Come in, setup a nice staff, sign a few recruits, say the right things and the crowd will start showing up. Win and you get them all back.

10 year basketball rebuilds are not the norm. 3 years will do it. Guys mentioned as candidates - Underwood, Forbes, Miller - all turned their situations around at non-traditional schools in a couple of years. I think of Matt Doherty. He run a couple of schools in the ground along the way. Each time, the school made a good followup hire, and the rebuild was accomplished within 3 years.

(01-26-2016 08:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Doesn't have to be a wow to get most fans back. Come in, setup a nice staff, sign a few recruits, say the right things and the crowd will start showing up. Win and you get them all back.

10 year basketball rebuilds are not the norm. 3 years will do it. Guys mentioned as candidates - Underwood, Forbes, Miller - all turned their situations around at non-traditional schools in a couple of years. I think of Matt Doherty. He run a couple of schools in the ground along the way. Each time, the school made a good followup hire, and the rebuild was accomplished within 3 years.

The roster will have talent to win next year. We'll have the Lawsons, Marshall, Woodson, and Martin as a nucleus. If the new coach can patch up the gaps, we can make the tourney next year.

(01-25-2016 10:41 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:02 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Was Dana Kirk a wow hire?

Spot on

This is part of the whole thread that everyone is ignoring. Dana got the local HS talent to become Tigers and he was a very good bench coach. CJP is NOT a good bench coach. In fact, very few of our coaches besides Dana was a good bench coach.

Tiger Basketball can be back very quickly due to the H.S. talent level. Throw in a good bench coach and Tiger BB is back.

CJP was a 'great recruiter' but virtually ALL of his name recruits came from the Memphis area (JJ, Crawford, Adonis, Tarik, Elliot Williams, Austin, Lawson). The only exceptions were Will Barton and Shaq. And it's not like Shaq is going to go to the NBA.

CJP was really, really fortunate that the talent level was so good during his first 5 years or so. When the Memphis area HS talent started to wane a bit, CJP's coaching shortcomings were exposed. The current roster is a mixed-bag (at best) and Lawson.

The reason why Tiger BB CAN come back quickly is because of the high school level talent AND if we can make it to the Sweet 16 SOMETIME in the next 5 years I strongly believe attendance will be back in the 14k range.

The problem is that the entire NCAA BB is taking a hit attendance-wise. I am not a Grizz-basher, but the Grizz's glory days are about to hit a dead-end. Gasol, Z-bo are both over 30 and the Grizz's draft picks are not going to make them a bona-fide contender in the near future. If anything, the Tigers HC job is very, very attractive right now.

I'll catch flak for this, but Bruce Pearl would have us back on the map in 3 years AND we would be relevant again nationally.