(01-25-2016 01:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 12:46 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  IIRC Vandy's president tried to start a southern ivy league in the late 40's or so. He needed UNC and Duke to make it work and they balked.

If you started one today it would look perhaps something like this:

Army, John Hopkins, Navy, Georgetown, UVa, William & Mary, Duke, WF in the NE and

Rice, Tulane, GW of St. Louis, Vandy, GT, Emory, Davidson and perhaps Miami in the SW

I included the service academies because they need a home and if such a conference existed, they would fit in just fine for an alignment like this. Football would shrink to something akin to the Southern Conference, but they could compete at the highest level in all other sports.

I believe the Southern version of the Ivy League was to be called the Magnolia League.



There are various opinions about who the founders of this conference were to have been. The following teams (with current conference in parentheses) are considered likely candidates:

Baylor (Big XII)
Boston College (ACC)
Duke (ACC)
Northwestern (B1G)
Rice (C-USA)
Southern Methodist (Big East)
Stanford (Pac-12)
Syracuse (ACC)
Texas Christian (Big XII)
Tulane (C-USA)
Vanderbilt (SEC)
Wake Forest (ACC)

Interesting read on the Magnolia League.

The ACC was looking at the improvements that the UofL has made since the late 1990's when they extended the invitation. While there is still a long way to go the ACC realizes that you can't get there overnight.

Hey Cardinals fans, let's see what Virginia was saying about Louisville when we joined.

http://m.dailyprogress.com/sports/ratcli...l?mode=jqm

Louisville, established in 1798, has 22,293 students, and has an operating budget of $1.21 billion, $177 million of which comes from the Commonwealth of Kentucky. The U of L is the fourth-fastest growing research university in the nation and is considered one of the top Fulbright Awards universities in the country.

In fact, this year alone, eight Louisville students earned Fulbright awards, which ranked behind only Duke (14) and Johns Hopkins (10), and ahead of such schools as Wake Forest (7), Vanderbilt (7), Dartmouth (6) and M.I.T. (6). If Virginia was on that list, it had less.

But as we all know, and finally, even the ACC presidents admitted as such Wednesday, this expansion wasn’t about academics. It was about athletics and money and keeping the band together.

By adding Louisville, the ACC remains as one of the best if not the best basketball league in the country and boasts a football program better than several of the present ACC schools (the Cardinals played Rutgers last night for a spot in the BCS).

Who would want to play an ACC basketball schedule in a couple of years when you’ve got to deal with Duke and North Carolina, possibly a strong N.C. State program, not to mention Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, and now Louisville, which made the Final Four last season and whose future looks bright?

“With a coach that has the credentials of Rick Pitino and a basketball program like Louisville’s, that has been so successful, it will be an incredible basketball league,” Virginia coach Tony Bennett chuckled nervously Thursday night. “We’ve already added some of the top teams with what we already had and now that you add Louisville …”

Bennett didn’t finish his thought. He didn’t have to.

“I guess my standard line is that we’ve got to lace ‘em up even tighter yet,” the UVa coach said. “Doesn’t get any easier, that’s for sure.”

Consider that Louisville has been the highest-rated basketball television market in the nation for the past 10 years.

The Cardinals moved out of old Freedom Hall not long ago and moved into the $238 million KFC Yum! Center (I can’t wait to file a byline from there), which houses 22,000 raucous hoops fans.

“We sell out the Yum! Center every single night,” said U of L athletics director Tom Jurich. “We have 7,000 people on a waiting list, so it’s the premier building in the United States, whether it’s pro or college.”

GT fans are not the only ACC fans jealous of the City of Louisville's support for the University. Atlanta has not been kind to GT since the Falcons came to town. Raleigh has never been an NC State town due to the close proximity of Chapel Hill. BC, Miami, and Pitt also share that lower down the totem pole status.

Syracuse, UVa, VT, WF, Clemson, and FSU have the advantage of being the only game in town, but Clemson is tiny unless you include Greenville/Spartanburg, Blacksburg/Christiansburg is small, and so is Charlottesville.

Remember, for older GT alums and fans, GT was a big thing until the Falcons. They traveled and played high profile games much like ND does today. The Falcons, and then the Braves hurt them, just like the explosion of professional sports in DC and Baltimore hurt MD.

Academically you make an easy target. You will not likely climb into the top 100 and folks tend to forget that the top 50-75 schools are cast in place based on metrics that are actually measuring the age of the university and their research roles in WWII when they claim they are measuring other things. Before you, we picked on Clemson.

Someone has to be at the bottom of the academic pecking order in the ACC. Before Nebraska, folks in the Big 10 laid that on Ohio State. Who does the Ivy League talk **** about? Has to be either Brown or Cornell since Brown has no curriculum and Cornell has a small public side.

(01-25-2016 01:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 12:46 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  IIRC Vandy's president tried to start a southern ivy league in the late 40's or so. He needed UNC and Duke to make it work and they balked.

If you started one today it would look perhaps something like this:

Army, John Hopkins, Navy, Georgetown, UVa, William & Mary, Duke, WF in the NE and

Rice, Tulane, GW of St. Louis, Vandy, GT, Emory, Davidson and perhaps Miami in the SW

I included the service academies because they need a home and if such a conference existed, they would fit in just fine for an alignment like this. Football would shrink to something akin to the Southern Conference, but they could compete at the highest level in all other sports.

I believe the Southern version of the Ivy League was to be called the Magnolia League.



There are various opinions about who the founders of this conference were to have been. The following teams (with current conference in parentheses) are considered likely candidates:

Baylor (Big XII)
Boston College (ACC)
Duke (ACC)
Northwestern (B1G)
Rice (C-USA)
Southern Methodist (Big East)
Stanford (Pac-12)
Syracuse (ACC)
Texas Christian (Big XII)
Tulane (C-USA)
Vanderbilt (SEC)
Wake Forest (ACC)

Where are you getting these names? It was to be a southern conference that involved Vanderbilt, Tulane, Rice, SMU, and Duke. I've never heard of Syracuse and Stanford etc. ever being mentioned.

(01-25-2016 06:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 12:46 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  IIRC Vandy's president tried to start a southern ivy league in the late 40's or so. He needed UNC and Duke to make it work and they balked.

If you started one today it would look perhaps something like this:

Army, John Hopkins, Navy, Georgetown, UVa, William & Mary, Duke, WF in the NE and

Rice, Tulane, GW of St. Louis, Vandy, GT, Emory, Davidson and perhaps Miami in the SW

I included the service academies because they need a home and if such a conference existed, they would fit in just fine for an alignment like this. Football would shrink to something akin to the Southern Conference, but they could compete at the highest level in all other sports.

I believe the Southern version of the Ivy League was to be called the Magnolia League.



There are various opinions about who the founders of this conference were to have been. The following teams (with current conference in parentheses) are considered likely candidates:

Baylor (Big XII)
Boston College (ACC)
Duke (ACC)
Northwestern (B1G)
Rice (C-USA)
Southern Methodist (Big East)
Stanford (Pac-12)
Syracuse (ACC)
Texas Christian (Big XII)
Tulane (C-USA)
Vanderbilt (SEC)
Wake Forest (ACC)

Where are you getting these names? It was to be a southern conference that involved Vanderbilt, Tulane, Rice, SMU, and Duke. I've never heard of Syracuse and Stanford etc. ever being mentioned.

When I researched it I found about a dozen different lists. Some teams were on nearly all of those lists - e.g. Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Tulane - some schools (e.g. BC) were only on one or two lists. Sorry, I didn't keep my references, but you can probably find them yourself. Since it never happened (and never will), I figure it's not that important who "would have" been in it.

(01-25-2016 10:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 06:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 12:46 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  IIRC Vandy's president tried to start a southern ivy league in the late 40's or so. He needed UNC and Duke to make it work and they balked.

If you started one today it would look perhaps something like this:

Army, John Hopkins, Navy, Georgetown, UVa, William & Mary, Duke, WF in the NE and

Rice, Tulane, GW of St. Louis, Vandy, GT, Emory, Davidson and perhaps Miami in the SW

I included the service academies because they need a home and if such a conference existed, they would fit in just fine for an alignment like this. Football would shrink to something akin to the Southern Conference, but they could compete at the highest level in all other sports.

I believe the Southern version of the Ivy League was to be called the Magnolia League.



There are various opinions about who the founders of this conference were to have been. The following teams (with current conference in parentheses) are considered likely candidates:

Baylor (Big XII)
Boston College (ACC)
Duke (ACC)
Northwestern (B1G)
Rice (C-USA)
Southern Methodist (Big East)
Stanford (Pac-12)
Syracuse (ACC)
Texas Christian (Big XII)
Tulane (C-USA)
Vanderbilt (SEC)
Wake Forest (ACC)

Where are you getting these names? It was to be a southern conference that involved Vanderbilt, Tulane, Rice, SMU, and Duke. I've never heard of Syracuse and Stanford etc. ever being mentioned.

When I researched it I found about a dozen different lists. Some teams were on nearly all of those lists - e.g. Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Tulane - some schools (e.g. BC) were only on one or two lists. Sorry, I didn't keep my references, but you can probably find them yourself. Since it never happened (and never will), I figure it's not that important who "would have" been in it.

Gotcha. The only material I read mentioned it being southern, so those other schools threw me off.

I probably would add a 5th thing in Louisville ala the kentucky derby...ha. I could see the ACC get bigger to get smaller if the blue bloods want to separate themselves some, i.e. bring in 3 more school's and go with 3 pods of 6 with an acc north, central and south. Pool of schools is uconn, wvu, cincy, temple, texas, tcu, baylor, tulane, etc.

ACC

North: BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, ND, X

Central: UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NC state, Wake

South: Clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami, Lville, Cincy

(01-26-2016 11:13 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I probably would add a 5th thing in Louisville ala the kentucky derby...ha. I could see the ACC get bigger to get smaller if the blue bloods want to separate themselves some, i.e. bring in 3 more school's and go with 3 pods of 6 with an acc north, central and south. Pool of schools is uconn, wvu, cincy, temple, texas, tcu, baylor, tulane, etc.

ACC

North: BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, ND, X

Central: UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NC state, Wake

South: Clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami, Lville, Cincy

I wouldn't mind this:

West- Texas, TCU, Baylor/TT, Louisville, Miami, WF

North- ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, NC State, VT

South- FSU, Clemson, GT, NC, Duke, Virginia