Evening all, I never post information or tidbits on here unless I know there is truth. This weekend I was at a function in Kansas City (I sit in the board of a hospital system there). A fellow board member is also on the KU BOT and he told me that OU and KU are in talks with the BIG which has given the OU prez leverage going into the B12 talks next week. Evidentially both OU and KU are out the door if he doesn't get what he wants.

Wow.

This is playing out for Oklahoma the same way that it played out for Nebraska.

The rest of the story is not that he wants a CCG or particular schools as part of big 12 expansion. What he wants is for particular big 12 schools to accept the situation as it is and take the deal on the table now or else Oklahoma and Kansas will be out on their own after a few more years pass. They get Golden Tickets now or they have to fend for themselves later. Honestly, it should be a very easy choice for them to make if they face reality.

(01-24-2016 05:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  A fellow board member is also on the KU BOT and he told me that OU and KU are in talks with the BIG which has given the OU prez leverage going into the B12 talks next week.

Doesn't this violate Big 12 by laws? Negotiating with other conferences?

See Section 3 and particularly 3.2 and 3.6.

(01-24-2016 06:21 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 05:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  A fellow board member is also on the KU BOT and he told me that OU and KU are in talks with the BIG which has given the OU prez leverage going into the B12 talks next week.

Doesn't this violate Big 12 by laws? Negotiating with other conferences?

See Section 3 and particularly 3.2 and 3.6.

Yes it does. But you have to prove it. All talk is just hearsay.

(01-24-2016 06:21 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 05:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  A fellow board member is also on the KU BOT and he told me that OU and KU are in talks with the BIG which has given the OU prez leverage going into the B12 talks next week.

Doesn't this violate Big 12 by laws? Negotiating with other conferences?

See Section 3 and particularly 3.2 and 3.6.

Probably but you know Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas are having secret meeting with several conferences. Even if Big 12 adds teams, look for at least 2 if not 3 of these schools to leave. The attraction of money, stability and even academic associations will be to much to turn down.

I've always thought Kansas made a ton of sense for the BIG. AAU, borders Nebraska, elite basketball, Kansas City TV market.

(01-24-2016 06:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I've always thought Kansas made a ton of sense for the BIG. AAU, borders Nebraska, elite basketball, Kansas City TV market.

Right. Kansas does make sense.

OU is just bluffing to get what it wants in the XII. Like Texas did with the PAC.

If OU and KU leave and then UT, TTU, OSU and TCU go to the PAC, is that not enough teams to disolve the B12?

(01-24-2016 07:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If OU and KU leave and then UT, TTU, OSU and TCU go to the PAC, is that not enough teams to disolve the B12?

Technically by Big 12 bylaws it takes 8. However the GOR is not for all rights, but rather T1 & T2 rights as valued by the networks. There has been speculation that the media aspects of the GOR might become null if a fewer number leave. I've heard as few as 3 and as many as 6. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out.

Does OU and KU leaving officially end the Big 12 or will they somehow remain intact in spite of those departures? Talk about a massive land shift in realignment if this happens

They've been "talking" since at least 2010, right?

(01-24-2016 07:40 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  They've been talking since at least 2010, right?

Maybe even a bit longer, depending upon the conference involved. The first time OU's name came up with the SEC was in '91. I would think that they were involved at least since 2009 with the Big 10. Kansas probably about the same time. OU had talks with the SEC through a proxy in late 2015 and with the Big 10 this year, but also by proxy.

The cards have been dealt and the chips are down. Let's see who folds.

The loophole may be talking through third parties. Since neither officially represents the B1G or OU...

As I said before, Oklahoma is laying the ground work by making demands they know the B12 won't meet.

There would have to be a deal in place for OSU and KST as well, wouldn't there?

This is very bad news for the AAC. The Big XII is going to go raiding again. Best case scenario is that the AAC takes any leftovers on board, and ESPN says "OK, we'll carry over/slightly improve the per-team payout since you're adding to the top half of your league."

Please baby Jesus let this be true, I would love to have Kansas in the Big Ten

(01-24-2016 07:55 PM)Dasville Wrote:  There would have to be a deal in place for OSU and KST as well, wouldn't there?

Not necessarily. Unless the local politicians really push the issue like the VA Legislature did to get VT into the ACC then there's no legal standing to force those schools to avoid abandoning their instate rival.

(01-24-2016 07:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 07:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If OU and KU leave and then UT, TTU, OSU and TCU go to the PAC, is that not enough teams to disolve the B12?

Technically by Big 12 bylaws it takes 8. However the GOR is not for all rights, but rather T1 & T2 rights as valued by the networks. There has been speculation that the media aspects of the GOR might become null if a fewer number leave. I've heard as few as 3 and as many as 6. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out.

this is nonsense

there are no "media aspects to the GOR" the GOR is just that a grant of rights it is not dependent on the existence of a media contract or not

you cannot pull your media rights from a media contract without first breaking the GOR it does not work the other way around

the text of the GOR has been posted on here before and there is no media contract attached to it