(01-24-2016 08:25 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 07:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 07:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If OU and KU leave and then UT, TTU, OSU and TCU go to the PAC, is that not enough teams to disolve the B12?

Technically by Big 12 bylaws it takes 8. However the GOR is not for all rights, but rather T1 & T2 rights as valued by the networks. There has been speculation that the media aspects of the GOR might become null if a fewer number leave. I've heard as few as 3 and as many as 6. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out.

this is nonsense

there are no "media aspects to the GOR" the GOR is just that a grant of rights it is not dependent on the existence of a media contract or not

you cannot pull your media rights from a media contract without first breaking the GOR it does not work the other way around

the text of the GOR has been posted on here before and there is no media contract attached to it

Nobody from the public has ever read the whole thing and all of its clauses Todge. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

(01-24-2016 07:58 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This is very bad news for the AAC. The Big XII is going to go raiding again. Best case scenario is that the AAC takes any leftovers on board, and ESPN says "OK, we'll carry over/slightly improve the per-team payout since you're adding to the top half of your league."

Conversely, it could be great news for AAC if OU and Kansas go to the B1G, Texas, TTU, OSU and TCU go to the P12. They could be in a position to scoop up WVU, Baylor, ISU and KSU.

I guess this will test just how tied OSU and K State are tied to the OU/KU duo

I'll believe it when I see it. I think Oklahoma is quite a coup for the Big Ten athletically but I don't think they are good enough on the academic side of things to have the Big Ten academic snobs accept them with "just" Kansas. I think it would have to take Texas in order to get the snobs to accept Oklahoma. We'll see.

(01-24-2016 08:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:25 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 07:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 07:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If OU and KU leave and then UT, TTU, OSU and TCU go to the PAC, is that not enough teams to disolve the B12?

Technically by Big 12 bylaws it takes 8. However the GOR is not for all rights, but rather T1 & T2 rights as valued by the networks. There has been speculation that the media aspects of the GOR might become null if a fewer number leave. I've heard as few as 3 and as many as 6. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out.

this is nonsense

there are no "media aspects to the GOR" the GOR is just that a grant of rights it is not dependent on the existence of a media contract or not

you cannot pull your media rights from a media contract without first breaking the GOR it does not work the other way around

the text of the GOR has been posted on here before and there is no media contract attached to it

Nobody from the public has ever read the whole thing and all of its clauses Todge. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

the GOR is a public document plenty of people have read it

the schools grant the rights it has nothing to do with the media contract

(01-24-2016 08:42 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:25 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 07:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 07:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If OU and KU leave and then UT, TTU, OSU and TCU go to the PAC, is that not enough teams to disolve the B12?

Technically by Big 12 bylaws it takes 8. However the GOR is not for all rights, but rather T1 & T2 rights as valued by the networks. There has been speculation that the media aspects of the GOR might become null if a fewer number leave. I've heard as few as 3 and as many as 6. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out.

this is nonsense

there are no "media aspects to the GOR" the GOR is just that a grant of rights it is not dependent on the existence of a media contract or not

you cannot pull your media rights from a media contract without first breaking the GOR it does not work the other way around

the text of the GOR has been posted on here before and there is no media contract attached to it

Nobody from the public has ever read the whole thing and all of its clauses Todge. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

the GOR is a public document plenty of people have read it

the schools grant the rights it has nothing to do with the media contract

Produce the whole GOR including it's exit penalties and media rights clause? I'll wait. What everyone has read is the basic document absent its addendum.

(01-24-2016 08:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:42 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:25 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 07:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Technically by Big 12 bylaws it takes 8. However the GOR is not for all rights, but rather T1 & T2 rights as valued by the networks. There has been speculation that the media aspects of the GOR might become null if a fewer number leave. I've heard as few as 3 and as many as 6. It will be interesting to see if we ever find out.

this is nonsense

there are no "media aspects to the GOR" the GOR is just that a grant of rights it is not dependent on the existence of a media contract or not

you cannot pull your media rights from a media contract without first breaking the GOR it does not work the other way around

the text of the GOR has been posted on here before and there is no media contract attached to it

Nobody from the public has ever read the whole thing and all of its clauses Todge. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

the GOR is a public document plenty of people have read it

the schools grant the rights it has nothing to do with the media contract

Produce the whole GOR including it's exit penalties and media rights clause? I'll wait. What everyone has read is the basic document absent its addendum.

this is what you fail to understand

there is no exit clause and there is no media rights clause and there is no addendum

you are asking for something to be produced that does not exist

the GOR is just that a grant of rights it does one thing it has schools grant their media rights to the conference

there is no exit clause to it and there is no media contract to it and no addendum to it

the Big 12 has a separate contract that spells out compensation based on conference membership and fees for leaving the conference, but that does not free a school from the GOR unless they want to take the chance and go to court over it

there is no part that links the GOR to the contract that pays for being a member of the conference and there is no part that links the GOR to the media contract

it was done that way for a specific purpose that has been explained repeatedly on here and links to lawyers that have written about and explained why the GOR is a simple document with no compensation, no exit fee and no ties to the actual media contract

(01-24-2016 08:52 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:42 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 08:25 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this is nonsense

there are no "media aspects to the GOR" the GOR is just that a grant of rights it is not dependent on the existence of a media contract or not

you cannot pull your media rights from a media contract without first breaking the GOR it does not work the other way around

the text of the GOR has been posted on here before and there is no media contract attached to it

Nobody from the public has ever read the whole thing and all of its clauses Todge. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

the GOR is a public document plenty of people have read it

the schools grant the rights it has nothing to do with the media contract

Produce the whole GOR including it's exit penalties and media rights clause? I'll wait. What everyone has read is the basic document absent its addendum.

this is what you fail to understand

there is no exit clause and there is no media rights clause and there is no addendum

you are asking for something to be produced that does not exist

the GOR is just that a grant of rights it does one thing it has schools grant their media rights to the conference

there is no exit clause to it and there is no media contract to it and no addendum to it

the Big 12 has a separate contract that spells out compensation based on conference membership and fees for leaving the conference, but that does not free a school from the GOR unless they want to take the chance and go to court over it

there is no part that links the GOR to the contract that pays for being a member of the conference and there is no part that links the GOR to the media contract

it was done that way for a specific purpose that has been explained repeatedly on here and links to lawyers that have written about and explained why the GOR is a simple document with no compensation, no exit fee and no ties to the actual media contract

(01-24-2016 07:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If OU and KU leave and then UT, TTU, OSU and TCU go to the PAC, is that not enough teams to disolve the B12?

I don't see a left leaning secular league like the PAC 12 taking a religious school like TCU or even Baylor.

(01-24-2016 05:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Evening all, I never post information or tidbits on here unless I know there is truth. This weekend I was at a function in Kansas City (I sit in the board of a hospital system there). A fellow board member is also on the KU BOT and he told me that OU and KU are in talks with the BIG which has given the OU prez leverage going into the B12 talks next week. Evidentially both OU and KU are out the door if he doesn't get what he wants.

The B1G winning the Oklahoma sweepstakes over the SEC? That will make some folks around here unhappy.

(01-24-2016 06:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The rest of the story is not that he wants a CCG or particular schools as part of big 12 expansion. What he wants is for particular big 12 schools to accept the situation as it is and take the deal on the table now or else Oklahoma and Kansas will be out on their own after a few more years pass. They get Golden Tickets now or they have to fend for themselves later. Honestly, it should be a very easy choice for them to make if they face reality.

nm

I would think the pac 12 would counter some of these moves, i.e. offer ou, ok state, ku and k state than work on getting texas and texas tech.

I would think the SEC would have some interest in WVU and Baylor/TCU in that scenario. There was rumor that WVU and the SEC had been talking before they jumped to the Big 12 because of timing. I don't see the PAC 12 taking a religious school like TCU or Baylor. Not sure if the ACC would have any interest in K-State or TCU/Baylor but I would be interested to see their move. I doubt they'd sit back and let their 3 counterparts go to 16 while simultaneously letting the AAC scoop up former P5 schools. On that same note, I'm not sure any of the leftovers in that scenario would be super appealing to them either.

(01-24-2016 09:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 05:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Evening all, I never post information or tidbits on here unless I know there is truth. This weekend I was at a function in Kansas City (I sit in the board of a hospital system there). A fellow board member is also on the KU BOT and he told me that OU and KU are in talks with the BIG which has given the OU prez leverage going into the B12 talks next week. Evidentially both OU and KU are out the door if he doesn't get what he wants.

The B1G winning the Oklahoma sweepstakes over the SEC? That will make some folks around here unhappy.

Then they should be angry at their own conference. There are powers within that do not wish to make it any stronger than it already is in football in regard to the amount of top tier football programs.

boren is an idiot and he has no pull

if he tries the "we either do what I want now or OU leaves in the future" BS the answer from all the others will be "ok we will do that as long as OU agrees to extend the GOR for two years past when the current media contracts run out"

and when boren balks at doing so they will tell him to pull his pants back up, put his drool cup back on and shut up and go sit in the corner

everyone in the Big 12 knows that OU and OU fans have ZERO interest in being in a conference with any of the currently available members and if OU wants to try and saddle the members of the Big 12 with any of them because that makes boren feel special or powerful right now their answer is going to be to tell him go ahead and saddle OU up for the long term with those teams as well instead of saddling the Big 12 with those teams while OU still looks for an exit or plans an exit when the GOR ends

if OU really wants those teams and the Big 12 with teams that OU wants to add then OU can be the first to step up and sign on for the longer term or OU can shut up and live with what the Big 12 has now

I do think OU in a 16 team SEC is pretty dumb, too many football powers but OU in an 18 team SEC with 3 pods of 6 can work. Also, the sec should be leery of the big 10 getting OU and KU...that could really tip the scales in the big 10 favor where they pretty much snap up all the big programs. Start with OU and KU getting spots 15 and 16, than the big 10 can go all out for texas and maybe Missouri to get to 18. If that happens its pretty much game over for the other leagues. Big 10 could raid the pac 12 and ACC at will and set up large division. I wouldn't be shocked if the big 10 ran the show in college athletics eventually. More likely it would be a 2 conference, big 10 and sec, setup with larger divisions.

(01-24-2016 09:57 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I do think OU in a 16 team SEC is pretty dumb, too many football powers but OU in an 18 team SEC with 3 pods of 6 can work. Also, the sec should be leery of the big 10 getting OU and KU...that could really tip the scales in the big 10 favor where they pretty much snap up all the big programs. Start with OU and KU getting spots 15 and 16, than the big 10 can go all out for texas and maybe Missouri to get to 18. If that happens its pretty much game over for the other leagues. Big 10 could raid the pac 12 and ACC at will and set up large division. I wouldn't be shocked if the big 10 ran the show in college athletics eventually. More likely it would be a 2 conference, big 10 and sec, setup with larger divisions.

how exactly could that "work" when the NCAA just voted specifically to not allow conferences to have anything like PODs while also having a CCG or any setup other than two divisions with the division winners going to the CCG or a full conference round robin with the two highest teams going to the CCG

PODs are stupid and they are even more stupid in light of the fact that they prevent a conference from having a CCG under NCAA rules

(01-24-2016 09:57 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I do think OU in a 16 team SEC is pretty dumb, too many football powers but OU in an 18 team SEC with 3 pods of 6 can work. Also, the sec should be leery of the big 10 getting OU and KU...that could really tip the scales in the big 10 favor where they pretty much snap up all the big programs. Start with OU and KU getting spots 15 and 16, than the big 10 can go all out for texas and maybe Missouri to get to 18. If that happens its pretty much game over for the other leagues. Big 10 could raid the pac 12 and ACC at will and set up large division. I wouldn't be shocked if the big 10 ran the show in college athletics eventually. More likely it would be a 2 conference, big 10 and sec, setup with larger divisions.

How does the Big 12 blowing up destabilize the ACC? Why would that allow them to "have their pick"? That doesn't make any sense.

I'll go with if the big 10 lands OU and KU than targets and gets texas than the big 10 can change the rules to whatever they want eventually. I could see the big 10 at 40 with 4 divisions of 10. Now if texas went to the ACC or pac 12 post OU and KU leaving for the big 10 that is a different landscape.

They're not going to 40, dude. They might as well leave the NCAA at that point.