(01-29-2016 11:42 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Not going to quote each post because that's a whole lot of stupid to put in one post.


High school programs shouldn't have to:

A. adjust their schedules for college games. What good will it do for a program in South Carolina to move their game to Saturday morning for the Clemson/BC game when South Carolina plays Georgia at home on Saturday? What good is it going to do for Florida high schools to move their games to Saturday because of BC/FSU when Florida plays South Carolina at home on Saturday?

B. take a financial hit because the ACC doesn't have the intelligence to keep the Friday night games between the teams that have no problem playing them. You can trivialize it all you want but until you see how most high school programs scrape by and pinch pennies you once again have no idea what you are talking about. I have dealt with it and it's an undue hardship being placed on these programs, athletic directors and coaches for something they have absolutely no control over.

C. it doesn't matter who's schedule came out first. Friday night is high school football in the south and the ACC should respect that.

Of course I am aware that complaining about it is pissing in the wind both on here and in general. The vast majority of you sheep blindly think that anything that comes out of Greensboro is the greatest and anytime it comes to ESPN the ACC can't reach down and grab it's ankles to take one dry from them.

No need to quote anybody else. You put enough stupid in this post without it.

That's rich coming from somebody trying to sound authoritative on a subject they are absolutely clueless about. Until you have dealt with actually handling the budget of an athletic program that is dependent on the funds raised by football ticket sales you should refrain from making statements about who is or isn't hurting for money. Nobody is getting rich off of the gate at high school football games when that money is spread among the operating budgets of the entire athletic department. The vast majority of the high school athletic departments in SC are funding the majority of their athletics programs on what they are able to bring in from 5-6 games a year depending on how the 11 game schedule falls that year. Perhaps you would like to explain to them why they should just grin and bear it when the ACC makes an asinine decision that is going to affect their bottom line.

(01-29-2016 12:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:42 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Not going to quote each post because that's a whole lot of stupid to put in one post.


High school programs shouldn't have to:

A. adjust their schedules for college games. What good will it do for a program in South Carolina to move their game to Saturday morning for the Clemson/BC game when South Carolina plays Georgia at home on Saturday? What good is it going to do for Florida high schools to move their games to Saturday because of BC/FSU when Florida plays South Carolina at home on Saturday?

B. take a financial hit because the ACC doesn't have the intelligence to keep the Friday night games between the teams that have no problem playing them. You can trivialize it all you want but until you see how most high school programs scrape by and pinch pennies you once again have no idea what you are talking about. I have dealt with it and it's an undue hardship being placed on these programs, athletic directors and coaches for something they have absolutely no control over.

C. it doesn't matter who's schedule came out first. Friday night is high school football in the south and the ACC should respect that.

Of course I am aware that complaining about it is pissing in the wind both on here and in general. The vast majority of you sheep blindly think that anything that comes out of Greensboro is the greatest and anytime it comes to ESPN the ACC can't reach down and grab it's ankles to take one dry from them.

No need to quote anybody else. You put enough stupid in this post without it.

That's rich coming from somebody trying to sound authoritative on a subject they are absolutely clueless about. Until you have dealt with actually handling the budget of an athletic program that is dependent on the funds raised by football ticket sales you should refrain from making statements about who is or isn't hurting for money. Nobody is getting rich off of the gate at high school football games when that money is spread among the operating budgets of the entire athletic department. The vast majority of the high school athletic departments in SC are funding the majority of their athletics programs on what they are able to bring in from 5-6 games a year depending on how the 11 game schedule falls that year. Perhaps you would like to explain to them why they should just grin and bear it when the ACC makes an asinine decision that is going to affect their bottom line.

We get it. Everybody is stupid and asinine except kaplony. We should all listen to him, because he knows what's best for all of us. Newsflash, son. Your opinions are no better than anyone else's, and continuing to act uncivilly and call people who don't agree with you "stupid" and "sheep" doesn't bolster your case. Grow up.

(01-29-2016 11:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Not going to quote each post because that's a whole lot of stupid to put in one post.


High school programs shouldn't have to:

A. adjust their schedules for college games. What good will it do for a program in South Carolina to move their game to Saturday morning for the Clemson/BC game when South Carolina plays Georgia at home on Saturday? What good is it going to do for Florida high schools to move their games to Saturday because of BC/FSU when Florida plays South Carolina at home on Saturday?

B. take a financial hit because the ACC doesn't have the intelligence to keep the Friday night games between the teams that have no problem playing them. You can trivialize it all you want but until you see how most high school programs scrape by and pinch pennies you once again have no idea what you are talking about. I have dealt with it and it's an undue hardship being placed on these programs, athletic directors and coaches for something they have absolutely no control over.

C. it doesn't matter who's schedule came out first. Friday night is high school football in the south and the ACC should respect that.

Of course I am aware that complaining about it is pissing in the wind both on here and in general. The vast majority of you sheep blindly think that anything that comes out of Greensboro is the greatest and anytime it comes to ESPN the ACC can't reach down and grab it's ankles to take one dry from them.

Team I cheer for in Louisville plays teams in multiple states every year. Only one local game to schedule around that draws 25-40k in attendance depending on weather. I understand the average attendance might be higher in NC and South Carolina. Let's look at the ACC dates and how it might impact your local high school.
Nov 11 FSU-BC
Sept 09 Cuse-UofL
Oct 07 BC-Clemson
Oct 14. Duke-UofL
Nov 25. NCST-UNC


What is your schedule and projected attendance figures on these dates?[/i]

Btw, 5 out of the 10 teams playing you shouldn't give a crap about and that includes UofL vs Cuse. Do high schools play the day after Thanksgiving?

(01-29-2016 12:43 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Btw, 5 out of the 10 teams playing you shouldn't give a crap about and that includes UofL vs Cuse. Do high schools play the day after Thanksgiving?

In the playoffs yes. It's why Clemson and South Carolina have both refused to move our season ending game from Saturday.

And the only game I am worried about is Clemson/BC as nobody in SC is going to stay home from a high school game to watch any of the rest.

(01-29-2016 02:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 12:43 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Btw, 5 out of the 10 teams playing you shouldn't give a crap about and that includes UofL vs Cuse. Do high schools play the day after Thanksgiving?

In the playoffs yes. It's why Clemson and South Carolina have both refused to move our season ending game from Saturday.

And the only game I am worried about is Clemson/BC as nobody in SC is going to stay home from a high school game to watch any of the rest.

Fair enough! What Highschool game is already scheduled for 10/07/16? Tell me exactly which highschool games are already scheduled?

(01-29-2016 02:37 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 02:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 12:43 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Btw, 5 out of the 10 teams playing you shouldn't give a crap about and that includes UofL vs Cuse. Do high schools play the day after Thanksgiving?

In the playoffs yes. It's why Clemson and South Carolina have both refused to move our season ending game from Saturday.

And the only game I am worried about is Clemson/BC as nobody in SC is going to stay home from a high school game to watch any of the rest.

Fair enough! What Highschool game is already scheduled for 10/07/16? Tell me exactly which highschool games are already scheduled?

Schedules have not been released as this is a realignment year and with the creation of the new AAAAA division there are a lot of teams switching regions.

Don't know what kind of cute little tactic you are trying but it doesn't matter because the entire state of South Carolina can't take 10-7 as a bye week.

(01-29-2016 02:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 02:37 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 02:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 12:43 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Btw, 5 out of the 10 teams playing you shouldn't give a crap about and that includes UofL vs Cuse. Do high schools play the day after Thanksgiving?

In the playoffs yes. It's why Clemson and South Carolina have both refused to move our season ending game from Saturday.

And the only game I am worried about is Clemson/BC as nobody in SC is going to stay home from a high school game to watch any of the rest.

Fair enough! What Highschool game is already scheduled for 10/07/16? Tell me exactly which highschool games are already scheduled?

Schedules have not been released as this is a realignment year and with the creation of the new AAAAA division there are a lot of teams switching regions.

Don't know what kind of cute little tactic you are trying but it doesn't matter because the entire state of South Carolina can't take 10-7 as a bye week.

Lol! The entire South Carolina is more important than the ACC? Lol!

Kap if high school football & sports are so important in South Carolina that 1 Clemson football game on a Friday night would cause such financial strain on the high schools then why doesn't the state or counties raise the school tax & use that money to subsidize the athletic programs? If the athletic departments are that bad off then it sounds like that they could use it.

(01-29-2016 03:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kap if high school football & sports are so important in South Carolina that 1 Clemson football game on a Friday night would cause such financial strain on the high schools then why doesn't the state or counties raise the school tax & use that money to subsidize the athletic programs? If the athletic departments are that bad off then it sounds like that they could use it.

How about raising admission to $7 per adult. After all, that is what ESPN charges per month for ALL the college football games on Sat and Fri.

(01-29-2016 03:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kap if high school football & sports are so important in South Carolina that 1 Clemson football game on a Friday night would cause such financial strain on the high schools then why doesn't the state or counties raise the school tax & use that money to subsidize the athletic programs? If the athletic departments are that bad off then it sounds like that they could use it.

Probably because they use school taxes to fund education and build educational buildings. You know...what they are supposed to be used for.

And why should the school districts create ill-will with or additional hardships for their taxpayers because of a problem they didn't create?

(01-29-2016 11:38 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  High school programs shouldn't have to:

A. adjust their schedules for college games.

And likewise, the ACC (or any conference) shouldn't have to tip-toe around Friday nights because High School Football claims it as some holy ground of sorts.

If the ACC wants to take over Friday night much like the NFL took over Thursday night, so be it.

(01-29-2016 04:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 03:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kap if high school football & sports are so important in South Carolina that 1 Clemson football game on a Friday night would cause such financial strain on the high schools then why doesn't the state or counties raise the school tax & use that money to subsidize the athletic programs? If the athletic departments are that bad off then it sounds like that they could use it.

Probably because they use school taxes to fund education and build educational buildings. You know...what they are supposed to be used for.

And why should the school districts create ill-will with or additional hardships for their taxpayers because of a problem they didn't create?

Of course school taxes go to fund education but you are the one making the case that SC cares more about high school sports than anyone else & yet some of their athletic departments are strapped for cash. If this is true then why wouldn't you support an increase in taxes to support your high school athletic departments? If SC cares so much for high school football where are the donations at least? If a Clemson Friday night football game is enough to cause overwhelming financial stress, how could they withstand a cancellation due to dangerous weather like a hurricane?

Just a 10 cents a month tax increase on each SC household would raise over $2 million a year. That would make a nice subsidy for high school athletics.

I don't know about SC but I know that high school athletic departments in Kentucky routinely hold fund raisers to help subsidize sports expenditures & trips. A Louisville or Kentucky Friday night football game would have a minimal, if any, effect an high school sports attendance. High schools occasionally use PJCS to hold key matchups throughout the season when UofL is away.

(01-29-2016 04:25 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 03:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kap if high school football & sports are so important in South Carolina that 1 Clemson football game on a Friday night would cause such financial strain on the high schools then why doesn't the state or counties raise the school tax & use that money to subsidize the athletic programs? If the athletic departments are that bad off then it sounds like that they could use it.

Probably because they use school taxes to fund education and build educational buildings. You know...what they are supposed to be used for.

And why should the school districts create ill-will with or additional hardships for their taxpayers because of a problem they didn't create?

Of course school taxes go to fund education but you are the one making the case that SC cares more about high school sports than anyone else & yet some of their athletic departments are strapped for cash. If this is true then why wouldn't you support an increase in taxes to support your high school athletic departments? If SC cares so much for high school football where are the donations at least? If a Clemson Friday night football game is enough to cause overwhelming financial stress, how could they withstand a cancellation due to dangerous weather like a hurricane?

Just a 10 cents a month tax increase on each SC household would raise over $2 million a year. That would make a nice subsidy for high school athletics.

I don't know about SC but I know that high school athletic departments in Kentucky routinely hold fund raisers to help subsidize sports expenditures & trips. A Louisville or Kentucky Friday night football game would have a minimal, if any, effect an high school sports attendance. High schools occasionally use PJCS to hold key matchups throughout the season when UofL is away.

Your point is valid! But I don't like taxes. My daughter cheers for a local highschool team and I pay gate fees for four, plus blankets and tee shirts and fund raisers for both football and basketball and they usually go to the playoffs which increase my expenses. Add a soft drink and pretzel every game combined with a kid that has no shot at DI athletics and I want to tell Kap F'U......but I won't. Instead I will say, I am grateful and proud to be a member or the ACC. If we play on Friday nights I'll be there or be watching.

(01-29-2016 04:25 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Of course school taxes go to fund education but you are the one making the case that SC cares more about high school sports than anyone else & yet some of their athletic departments are strapped for cash.

Go ahead and link that up for me.

Quote:If this is true then why wouldn't you support an increase in taxes to support your high school athletic departments?

Why should the taxpayers of South Carolina have to pay a cent for a problem that was not of their creating and is totally avoidable? I'm not like Louisville fans and perfectly fine with fleecing the taxpayers for athletics.

How about I give you a better solution that doesn't cost anybody a dime.......don't schedule Clemson on Friday nights. Let the schools who say they have no problem playing on Friday have the Friday games.

Quote:If a Clemson Friday night football game is enough to cause overwhelming financial stress, how could they withstand a cancellation due to dangerous weather like a hurricane?

Don't know about cancellations.....during the flooding in October they rescheduled the games affected. Last hurricane that happened during football season was Hugo in 1989 and I'm pretty sure that games were both moved to neutral sites and rescheduled then as well.

Of course it's an apples and oranges situation as there is absolutely no control over where a hurricane or any other disaster will hit while the ACC has every bit of control over who plays games on Friday night.

Quote:Just a 10 cents a month tax increase on each SC household would raise over $2 million a year. That would make a nice subsidy for high school athletics.

Again why should the taxpayers of South Carolina be forced to bear a burden not of their creation? They aren't the ones encroaching on the ACC, the ACC is the one encroaching on them.

And $2 million a year doesn't go far when it's spread out to over 200 public schools alone, not even mentioning the private schools this is also going to affect.

(01-29-2016 05:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:25 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Of course school taxes go to fund education but you are the one making the case that SC cares more about high school sports than anyone else & yet some of their athletic departments are strapped for cash.

Go ahead and link that up for me.

Quote:If this is true then why wouldn't you support an increase in taxes to support your high school athletic departments?

Why should the taxpayers of South Carolina have to pay a cent for a problem that was not of their creating and is totally avoidable? I'm not like Louisville fans and perfectly fine with fleecing the taxpayers for athletics.

How about I give you a better solution that doesn't cost anybody a dime.......don't schedule Clemson on Friday nights. Let the schools who say they have no problem playing on Friday have the Friday games.

Quote:If a Clemson Friday night football game is enough to cause overwhelming financial stress, how could they withstand a cancellation due to dangerous weather like a hurricane?

Don't know about cancellations.....during the flooding in October they rescheduled the games affected. Last hurricane that happened during football season was Hugo in 1989 and I'm pretty sure that games were both moved to neutral sites and rescheduled then as well.

Of course it's an apples and oranges situation as there is absolutely no control over where a hurricane or any other disaster will hit while the ACC has every bit of control over who plays games on Friday night.

Quote:Just a 10 cents a month tax increase on each SC household would raise over $2 million a year. That would make a nice subsidy for high school athletics.

Again why should the taxpayers of South Carolina be forced to bear a burden not of their creation? They aren't the ones encroaching on the ACC, the ACC is the one encroaching on them.

And $2 million a year doesn't go far when it's spread out to over 200 public schools alone, not even mentioning the private schools this is also going to affect.

Lol! What does the SECN charge?

(01-29-2016 05:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:25 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Of course school taxes go to fund education but you are the one making the case that SC cares more about high school sports than anyone else & yet some of their athletic departments are strapped for cash.

Go ahead and link that up for me.

Quote:If this is true then why wouldn't you support an increase in taxes to support your high school athletic departments?

Why should the taxpayers of South Carolina have to pay a cent for a problem that was not of their creating and is totally avoidable? I'm not like Louisville fans and perfectly fine with fleecing the taxpayers for athletics.

How about I give you a better solution that doesn't cost anybody a dime.......don't schedule Clemson on Friday nights. Let the schools who say they have no problem playing on Friday have the Friday games.

Quote:If a Clemson Friday night football game is enough to cause overwhelming financial stress, how could they withstand a cancellation due to dangerous weather like a hurricane?

Don't know about cancellations.....during the flooding in October they rescheduled the games affected. Last hurricane that happened during football season was Hugo in 1989 and I'm pretty sure that games were both moved to neutral sites and rescheduled then as well.

Of course it's an apples and oranges situation as there is absolutely no control over where a hurricane or any other disaster will hit while the ACC has every bit of control over who plays games on Friday night.

Quote:Just a 10 cents a month tax increase on each SC household would raise over $2 million a year. That would make a nice subsidy for high school athletics.

Again why should the taxpayers of South Carolina be forced to bear a burden not of their creation? They aren't the ones encroaching on the ACC, the ACC is the one encroaching on them.

And $2 million a year doesn't go far when it's spread out to over 200 public schools alone, not even mentioning the private schools this is also going to affect.

So all of the SC high schools athletic departments financial hardship are all because Clemson has to occasionally play 1 Friday night game? Okay Kap, that just seems unrealistic to me. Are you sure that it isn't due to an overall funding issue because that's what it sounds like to me & that's why I suggested a possible minor tax increase for the betterment of SC high school athletes.

Why would the private high schools get a cut of the subsidy? A tax is just 1 possible solution that spreads the burden out instead of concentrating it on a small group of people like a ticket increase would & generate more revenue. Now you could say that a ticket increase for example would only target the people attending but shouldn't high school athletes safety & well being be a concern for all of SC residents?

Now if your whole financial burden argument is based on 1 Clemson Friday night football game than an additional tax wouldn't be needed.

Now for your argument that Clemson shouldn't be forced to play a home Friday night game if they don't want to, I think that's valid. A road game however should fall to the preference of the home team. One could also point out that a Friday night game against BC, WF or Syracuse for example would draw a larger national audience for Clemson than a Saturday afternoon game would.

Pitt should never play a Friday game... EVER... Home or Away.... Can't believe people actually think overtaking Friday Night Lights is a good thing. SMH... I'd rather see Tuesday or Wednesday night games than games on Friday night...