Breaking up the Big 12 and keeping the PAC engaged, and the SEC and B1G happy has really been a chore. I'm sure the perfect plan has been put forward and we missed it. Even trying to break up the ACC leaves schools having conference mates three and four states removed, and that won't work for anybody's business or network since we are moving away from trying to cobble "markets" together.

I think we should leave the PAC alone. They had enough trouble getting to 12 and any additions would be "culture shock" all of the way around.

I think an 18 member SEC and B1G with the ACC at 16 +1 might work the best. Or there is a modification that would take the SEC to 20, you decide.


B1G;
Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois

Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC

Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, LSU

Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky

note: the SEC could move to 20 with the addition of two Louisville and West Virginia.




FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Dook, UVa, Wake Forest, Carolina.

Miami, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State.


I think this may be the only way to break up the Big 12 where every body is happy (maybe), and the divides are logical (with the exception of Louisville in the ACC). No conference has to play in more than two time zones. The B1G has the bulk of the old Big 8, the SEC has the bulk of the old SWC and the ACC has the bulk of the Big East football schools.
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(01-23-2016 01:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  Breaking up the Big 12 and keeping the PAC engaged, and the SEC and B1G happy has really been a chore. I'm sure the perfect plan has been put forward and we missed it. Even trying to break up the ACC leaves schools having conference mates three and four states removed, and that won't work for anybody's business or network since we are moving away from trying to cobble "markets" together.

I think we should leave the PAC alone. They had enough trouble getting to 12 and any additions would be "culture shock" all of the way around.

I think an 18 member SEC and B1G with the ACC at 16 +1 might work the best. Or there is a modification that would take the SEC to 20, you decide.


B1G;
Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois

Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC

Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, LSU

Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky

note: the SEC could move to 20 with the addition of two Louisville and West Virginia.




FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Dook, UVa, Wake Forest, Carolina.

Miami, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State.


I think this may be the only way to break up the Big 12 where every body is happy (maybe), and the divides are logical (with the exception of Louisville in the ACC). No conference has to play in more than two time zones. The B1G has the bulk of the old Big 8, the SEC has the bulk of the old SWC and the ACC has the bulk of the Big East football schools.
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We've covered the 3 x 6 many times. You continue to try to put Missouri in the Big 10 and South Carolina in the SEC. Just stop. If we are serious about all of this then moving to P4 of 60 schools works the best for having the least amount of complications. Then if we want 64 it is easier to get there.

ACC 15, SEC 15, Big 10 15, PAC 15 = 60

ACC:
Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech

SEC:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Miss State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

Big 10:
Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State

California, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern California, Stanford

Arizona, Arizona State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Once we make those moves then finishing to 16 if that is what we want to do makes a helluva lot more sense.

If the PAC wants to move to 16 they can add either B.Y.U., or Kansas State.

If the Big 10 wants to move to 16 they can add either Iowa State or Connecticut.

If the SEC wants to move to 16 they can add either Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Kansas State.

If the ACC wants to move to 16 they can either Connecticut or West Virginia.

As long as the conferences think in terms of mass moves this puzzle doesn't get solved.

If we mandate that each of us moves to 15. And then if we determine it profitable we can move to 16 then it becomes a lot simpler.

(01-23-2016 01:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 01:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  Breaking up the Big 12 and keeping the PAC engaged, and the SEC and B1G happy has really been a chore. I'm sure the perfect plan has been put forward and we missed it. Even trying to break up the ACC leaves schools having conference mates three and four states removed, and that won't work for anybody's business or network since we are moving away from trying to cobble "markets" together.

I think we should leave the PAC alone. They had enough trouble getting to 12 and any additions would be "culture shock" all of the way around.

I think an 18 member SEC and B1G with the ACC at 16 +1 might work the best. Or there is a modification that would take the SEC to 20, you decide.


B1G;
Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois

Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC

Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, LSU

Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky

note: the SEC could move to 20 with the addition of two Louisville and West Virginia.




FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Dook, UVa, Wake Forest, Carolina.

Miami, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State.


I think this may be the only way to break up the Big 12 where every body is happy (maybe), and the divides are logical (with the exception of Louisville in the ACC). No conference has to play in more than two time zones. The B1G has the bulk of the old Big 8, the SEC has the bulk of the old SWC and the ACC has the bulk of the Big East football schools.
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We've covered the 3 x 6 many times. You continue to try to put Missouri in the Big 10 and South Carolina in the SEC. Just stop. If we are serious about all of this then moving to P4 of 60 schools works the best for having the least amount of complications. Then if we want 64 it is easier to get there.

ACC 15, SEC 15, Big 10 15, PAC 15 = 60

ACC:
Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech

SEC:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Miss State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

Big 10:
Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State

California, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern California, Stanford

Arizona, Arizona State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Once we make those moves then finishing to 16 if that is what we want to do makes a helluva lot more sense.

If the PAC wants to move to 16 they can add either B.Y.U., or Kansas State.

If the Big 10 wants to move to 16 they can add either Iowa State or Connecticut.

If the SEC wants to move to 16 they can add either Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Kansas State.

If the ACC wants to move to 16 they can either Connecticut or West Virginia.

As long as the conferences think in terms of mass moves this puzzle doesn't get solved.

If we mandate that each of us moves to 15. And then if we determine it profitable we can move to 16 then it becomes a lot simpler.

I suppose it's just not possible to find a home for all 64 +1 in a fashion that would be acceptable to all. I haven't found a way without moving folks as you have noted, but I think your plan has merit.
The way I see your selection process listed, I would think that Kansas State and Baylor would get left behind and that UConn would whiff once again.

(01-23-2016 03:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 01:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 01:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  Breaking up the Big 12 and keeping the PAC engaged, and the SEC and B1G happy has really been a chore. I'm sure the perfect plan has been put forward and we missed it. Even trying to break up the ACC leaves schools having conference mates three and four states removed, and that won't work for anybody's business or network since we are moving away from trying to cobble "markets" together.

I think we should leave the PAC alone. They had enough trouble getting to 12 and any additions would be "culture shock" all of the way around.

I think an 18 member SEC and B1G with the ACC at 16 +1 might work the best. Or there is a modification that would take the SEC to 20, you decide.


B1G;
Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois

Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC

Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, LSU

Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky

note: the SEC could move to 20 with the addition of two Louisville and West Virginia.




FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Dook, UVa, Wake Forest, Carolina.

Miami, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State.


I think this may be the only way to break up the Big 12 where every body is happy (maybe), and the divides are logical (with the exception of Louisville in the ACC). No conference has to play in more than two time zones. The B1G has the bulk of the old Big 8, the SEC has the bulk of the old SWC and the ACC has the bulk of the Big East football schools.
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We've covered the 3 x 6 many times. You continue to try to put Missouri in the Big 10 and South Carolina in the SEC. Just stop. If we are serious about all of this then moving to P4 of 60 schools works the best for having the least amount of complications. Then if we want 64 it is easier to get there.

ACC 15, SEC 15, Big 10 15, PAC 15 = 60

ACC:
Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech

SEC:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Miss State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

Big 10:
Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State

California, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern California, Stanford

Arizona, Arizona State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Once we make those moves then finishing to 16 if that is what we want to do makes a helluva lot more sense.

If the PAC wants to move to 16 they can add either B.Y.U., or Kansas State.

If the Big 10 wants to move to 16 they can add either Iowa State or Connecticut.

If the SEC wants to move to 16 they can add either Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Kansas State.

If the ACC wants to move to 16 they can either Connecticut or West Virginia.

As long as the conferences think in terms of mass moves this puzzle doesn't get solved.

If we mandate that each of us moves to 15. And then if we determine it profitable we can move to 16 then it becomes a lot simpler.

I suppose it's just not possible to find a home for all 64 +1 in a fashion that would be acceptable to all. I haven't found a way without moving folks as you have noted, but I think your plan has merit.
The way I see your selection process listed, I would think that Kansas State and Baylor would get left behind and that UConn would whiff once again.

JR I think this is one of the better ideas so far. 15 make sense with a 3x5 & an option for 16 is ideal. This solution requires waiting out the B12 GOR but that may not be such a bad price to pay.

(01-23-2016 03:46 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 03:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 01:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 01:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  Breaking up the Big 12 and keeping the PAC engaged, and the SEC and B1G happy has really been a chore. I'm sure the perfect plan has been put forward and we missed it. Even trying to break up the ACC leaves schools having conference mates three and four states removed, and that won't work for anybody's business or network since we are moving away from trying to cobble "markets" together.

I think we should leave the PAC alone. They had enough trouble getting to 12 and any additions would be "culture shock" all of the way around.

I think an 18 member SEC and B1G with the ACC at 16 +1 might work the best. Or there is a modification that would take the SEC to 20, you decide.


B1G;
Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois

Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC

Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, LSU

Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky

note: the SEC could move to 20 with the addition of two Louisville and West Virginia.




FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Dook, UVa, Wake Forest, Carolina.

Miami, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State.


I think this may be the only way to break up the Big 12 where every body is happy (maybe), and the divides are logical (with the exception of Louisville in the ACC). No conference has to play in more than two time zones. The B1G has the bulk of the old Big 8, the SEC has the bulk of the old SWC and the ACC has the bulk of the Big East football schools.
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We've covered the 3 x 6 many times. You continue to try to put Missouri in the Big 10 and South Carolina in the SEC. Just stop. If we are serious about all of this then moving to P4 of 60 schools works the best for having the least amount of complications. Then if we want 64 it is easier to get there.

ACC 15, SEC 15, Big 10 15, PAC 15 = 60

ACC:
Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech

SEC:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Miss State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

Big 10:
Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern

Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State

California, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern California, Stanford

Arizona, Arizona State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Once we make those moves then finishing to 16 if that is what we want to do makes a helluva lot more sense.

If the PAC wants to move to 16 they can add either B.Y.U., or Kansas State.

If the Big 10 wants to move to 16 they can add either Iowa State or Connecticut.

If the SEC wants to move to 16 they can add either Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Kansas State.

If the ACC wants to move to 16 they can either Connecticut or West Virginia.

As long as the conferences think in terms of mass moves this puzzle doesn't get solved.

If we mandate that each of us moves to 15. And then if we determine it profitable we can move to 16 then it becomes a lot simpler.

I suppose it's just not possible to find a home for all 64 +1 in a fashion that would be acceptable to all. I haven't found a way without moving folks as you have noted, but I think your plan has merit.
The way I see your selection process listed, I would think that Kansas State and Baylor would get left behind and that UConn would whiff once again.

JR I think this is one of the better ideas so far. 15 make sense with a 3x5 & an option for 16 is ideal. This solution requires waiting out the B12 GOR but that may not be such a bad price to pay.

Bingo! At the levels of payout the SEC and Big 10 presently have there just isn't a 16th from the Big 12 that covers their cost of admission. Unless the networks want to subsidize it I think we wait.

What about this?

Let's suppose that the GORs are either toothless or that nothing happens until they expire in about 10 years. Let's suppose that the ACC survives a raid of its football powers. There are a lot of schools in that conference that really don't want to be anywhere else. They could decide to stay together and just take less money for their trouble. Notre Dame sort of does that with their football program as they could make more money by joining a conference but stay competitive with their NBC contract.

The SEC takes Florida State, Clemson, NC State, and Virginia Tech...

The Big 12 also falters around the same time and lose their most valuable products. Let's say Oklahoma and Kansas go to the Big Ten. The B1G wants some of the ACC schools, but most of them balk at leaving their region.

Texas and company convince the PAC to sell their network to ESPN in exchange for UT and a couple more schools guaranteeing to come aboard.

The PAC takes Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston. The LHN is folded into the PAC Networks that are now owned by ESPN. The PAC stops at 16.

The SEC, looking to capitalize on the Big 12's misfortunes, inquire about 2 more schools to move to 20. Ultimately, ESPN is interested in saving a couple of additional products in Oklahoma State and West Virginia. The SEC finishes at 20. WVU is used to clasp down on its region, while also bringing a slice of PA with them, that was tapped by the addition of VT. The 2 are old rivals are perhaps they can play an annual game in DC or something like that to market the league to fans in the area. OSU brings additional interest from the Midwest and another rival for the Western schools. They are a growing product as their revenue is already above the SEC average.

Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri, LSU
Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida State
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, NC State
Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia Tech

ESPN, now satisfied to own TX essentially, is ok with leaving Baylor in the cold. Kansas State and Iowa State also don't make the cut. They join a revamped AAC.

The ACC survives, however. It's a reduced ACC, but the overhead is much less and the content remains with ESPN.

Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Miami

ESPN encourages the additions of UConn and Cincinnati to bring the league back to 12 and form an amalgamation of the old Big East and the old core of the ACC. The resulting product is possibly the best basketball conference which is precisely what most of those schools want. Notre Dame remains an affiliate member.

SEC = 20
B1G = 16
PAC = 16
ACC = 12+1

We still have a power 4 although obviously not all are equal with regard to revenue.

Thoughts?