After the season ended I know there were a few decrying the idea that 3 5-7 teams made bowls. I remember someone saying the NCAA would make sure this did not happen again next year.

Has there been any decision made on this issue? What about the Charleston Bowl that was to have a Sun Belt tie-in? Is it dead for now or what?

(01-20-2016 09:04 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  After the season ended I know there were a few decrying the idea that 3 5-7 teams made bowls. I remember someone saying the NCAA would make sure this did not happen again next year.

Has there been any decision made on this issue? What about the Charleston Bowl that was to have a Sun Belt tie-in? Is it dead for now or what?

No new bowls have been certified as of this point. Still very early though.

all three 5-7 teams won...so now they're 6-7

Bahamas bowl needs to GTFO...and Little Rock Bowl needs to happen...JMHO

No new bowls will happen after have 3 5-7 teams play in them. I think the committee still meets regarding bowl oversight and we may see one of two thing change. 1. Bowls go dark if can't be fulfilled by 6-6 teams. 2. bowl eligible goes to 7 wins, some bowls disappear and only 6-6 teams are use to back fill if 7-5 teams are all used up.

I think it would be more palatable if the standard was 6 FBS wins, not just 7 overall wins.

How exactly is the NCAA going to "make sure" that this doesn't happen again??? Are they going to cancel bowls on a year to year basis or start fixing regular season games?

The good news is it will be rare for any of our 6 win teams to be shut out of a bowl. I think the rabble rousing is lame. Who cares how many teams go bowling. If you eliminated 20 of them the others do not get any better. I like watching football so more the merrier. Only a team in high academic standing will make it in at 5-7, they probably deserve it more than the UNC fake class schools anyway.

(01-21-2016 08:59 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  No new bowls will happen after have 3 5-7 teams play in them. I think the committee still meets regarding bowl oversight and we may see one of two thing change. 1. Bowls go dark if can't be fulfilled by 6-6 teams. 2. bowl eligible goes to 7 wins, some bowls disappear and only 6-6 teams are use to back fill if 7-5 teams are all used up.

Bowls going dark doesn't solve matters though. We had a situation this year where we had 77 bowl eligible teams. Sure, one bowl can go dark, but which bowl goes dark, and what about the 77th team that is 6-6, but has no other possible 6-6 opponents?

(01-21-2016 09:27 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  How exactly is the NCAA going to "make sure" that this doesn't happen again??? Are they going to cancel bowls on a year to year basis or start fixing regular season games?

That's the thing. They can't predict from year to year how many bowl teams there will be. There is a chance we'll have more teams than bowls next year.

How do they force a bowl to close? If the Independence Bowl doesn't have a conference rep available at 6-6, but Cure Bowl has two, what's the bet they shut down Orlando and leave Independence open?

(01-21-2016 12:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 08:59 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  No new bowls will happen after have 3 5-7 teams play in them. I think the committee still meets regarding bowl oversight and we may see one of two thing change. 1. Bowls go dark if can't be fulfilled by 6-6 teams. 2. bowl eligible goes to 7 wins, some bowls disappear and only 6-6 teams are use to back fill if 7-5 teams are all used up.

Bowls going dark doesn't solve matters though. We had a situation this year where we had 77 bowl eligible teams. Sure, one bowl can go dark, but which bowl goes dark, and what about the 77th team that is 6-6, but has no other possible 6-6 opponents?

Then just like other times, a 6-6 team won't be bowling. I think there will be some changes but we'll have to see when it is discussed by the Bowl Oversight Committee. They have discussed about bowls going dark if it can't get fulfilled.

(01-21-2016 07:08 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  all three 5-7 teams won...so now they're 6-7

Bahamas bowl needs to GTFO...and Little Rock Bowl needs to happen...JMHO

I have to agree with the tiger...a little rock mid major bowl (hell any mid size city location) is better mid major bowl location than Bahamas

(01-21-2016 01:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 12:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 08:59 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  No new bowls will happen after have 3 5-7 teams play in them. I think the committee still meets regarding bowl oversight and we may see one of two thing change. 1. Bowls go dark if can't be fulfilled by 6-6 teams. 2. bowl eligible goes to 7 wins, some bowls disappear and only 6-6 teams are use to back fill if 7-5 teams are all used up.

Bowls going dark doesn't solve matters though. We had a situation this year where we had 77 bowl eligible teams. Sure, one bowl can go dark, but which bowl goes dark, and what about the 77th team that is 6-6, but has no other possible 6-6 opponents?

Then just like other times, a 6-6 team won't be bowling. I think there will be some changes but we'll have to see when it is discussed by the Bowl Oversight Committee. They have discussed about bowls going dark if it can't get fulfilled.

But how do they decide which bowls go dark? An SEC bowl tie in when they can fill two opponents -both who are 6-6? What about a Sun Belt/CUSA bowl - where the Belt team in 9-3, but CUSA didn't have another 6 win team?

Who cares if we sometimes have to use 5-7 teams. Nobody is going to bank on going bowling by trying to get that record. If they aren't part of the playoff then they don't matter anyway except to those programs and fans. It could hurt TV contracts if they shut bowls down and that can't be good for student athletes.

I don't see how a bowl could "go dark" on that short of notice, the host cities and host committees work on preparations for those things year round, if one were shuttered at the last minute, causing them to lose significant tourism revenue I'm sure they would sue the NCAA or the CFP or someone.

(01-21-2016 01:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 12:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 08:59 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  No new bowls will happen after have 3 5-7 teams play in them. I think the committee still meets regarding bowl oversight and we may see one of two thing change. 1. Bowls go dark if can't be fulfilled by 6-6 teams. 2. bowl eligible goes to 7 wins, some bowls disappear and only 6-6 teams are use to back fill if 7-5 teams are all used up.

Bowls going dark doesn't solve matters though. We had a situation this year where we had 77 bowl eligible teams. Sure, one bowl can go dark, but which bowl goes dark, and what about the 77th team that is 6-6, but has no other possible 6-6 opponents?

Then just like other times, a 6-6 team won't be bowling. I think there will be some changes but we'll have to see when it is discussed by the Bowl Oversight Committee. They have discussed about bowls going dark if it can't get fulfilled.

So basically, some poor G5 team somewhere is going to get screwed out of a bowl because Nebraska couldn't win 6 games? That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

(01-21-2016 01:52 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  I don't see how a bowl could "go dark" on that short of notice, the host cities and host committees work on preparations for those things year round, if one were shuttered at the last minute, causing them to lose significant tourism revenue I'm sure they would sue the NCAA or the CFP or someone.

A bowl can't "go dark."

The conversation has to stop at the point someone says they can.


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(01-21-2016 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 01:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 12:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 08:59 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  No new bowls will happen after have 3 5-7 teams play in them. I think the committee still meets regarding bowl oversight and we may see one of two thing change. 1. Bowls go dark if can't be fulfilled by 6-6 teams. 2. bowl eligible goes to 7 wins, some bowls disappear and only 6-6 teams are use to back fill if 7-5 teams are all used up.

Bowls going dark doesn't solve matters though. We had a situation this year where we had 77 bowl eligible teams. Sure, one bowl can go dark, but which bowl goes dark, and what about the 77th team that is 6-6, but has no other possible 6-6 opponents?

Then just like other times, a 6-6 team won't be bowling. I think there will be some changes but we'll have to see when it is discussed by the Bowl Oversight Committee. They have discussed about bowls going dark if it can't get fulfilled.

So basically, some poor G5 team somewhere is going to get screwed out of a bowl because Nebraska couldn't win 6 games? That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

No, if the bowl has 2 P5 teams in it but only 1 can be fulfilled then that bowl goes dark if another 6 win team isn't available. If its a bowl between 2 g5 schools and 1 can't fulfilled then that bowl goes dark.

We'll see if the Bowl Oversight Committee does anything, but it was mention that bowls going dark is a possibility. Tough cookies but then the conferences should not be tied to bowls they can't fulfill.

(01-21-2016 03:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 01:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 01:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 12:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 08:59 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  No new bowls will happen after have 3 5-7 teams play in them. I think the committee still meets regarding bowl oversight and we may see one of two thing change. 1. Bowls go dark if can't be fulfilled by 6-6 teams. 2. bowl eligible goes to 7 wins, some bowls disappear and only 6-6 teams are use to back fill if 7-5 teams are all used up.

Bowls going dark doesn't solve matters though. We had a situation this year where we had 77 bowl eligible teams. Sure, one bowl can go dark, but which bowl goes dark, and what about the 77th team that is 6-6, but has no other possible 6-6 opponents?

Then just like other times, a 6-6 team won't be bowling. I think there will be some changes but we'll have to see when it is discussed by the Bowl Oversight Committee. They have discussed about bowls going dark if it can't get fulfilled.

So basically, some poor G5 team somewhere is going to get screwed out of a bowl because Nebraska couldn't win 6 games? That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

No, if the bowl has 2 P5 teams in it but only 1 can be fulfilled then that bowl goes dark if another 6 win team isn't available. If its a bowl between 2 g5 schools and 1 can't fulfilled then that bowl goes dark.

We'll see if the Bowl Oversight Committee does anything, but it was mention that bowls going dark is a possibility. Tough cookies but then the conferences should not be tied to bowls they can't fulfill.

Stop suggesting a bowl can "go dark."

Just stop.


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The bowls that featured 5-7 teams didn't do significantly worse in ratings then their prior years, as long as the ratings/ad revenues are worth it, ESPN doesn't give a crap if sub .500 teams make bowls. They won't be going dark unannounced, you could see contraction possibly in the off-season, but not calling off a bowl at the end of the season mere weeks before it is supposed to happen.

Here is an article from the Charleston Post and Courier from December that discusses many of these issues as they relate to the Medal of Honor bowl they expect to be approved for 2016.
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20.../151219340

5-7 teams weren't the problem with this year's bowls, many of the games themselves were. Personally, I found two MWC teams playing each other in a bowl game much more "offensive" than the 5-7 teams.