(01-21-2016 03:17 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 01:08 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 12:53 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 12:05 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Bud Foster?

Would like some of that purple punch you've been drinking ... top paid FBS DC in the country ~ $1.4M, or was this just a counter-example for HR?

Durden as OC seems pretty solid, not sure if we could motivate him enough to come back to his prior role here.

Bud Foster can become a head coach if he wanted to, but some people just don't want the headache. Our new coach is a former DC. Our ex coach was a former DC.

As was the ex ex coach...

And now he's a DC again

While there's no way in hell we get Bud Foster, I'm not sure I would want him. While not going into details, he has some character flaws that would best be left for someone else to deal with.

(01-21-2016 12:11 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  While there's no way in hell we get Bud Foster, I'm not sure I would want him. While not going into details, he has some character flaws that would best be left for someone else to deal with.

This and these flaws are the biggest reason he is still a DC at VT.

(01-21-2016 12:14 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 12:11 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  While there's no way in hell we get Bud Foster, I'm not sure I would want him. While not going into details, he has some character flaws that would best be left for someone else to deal with.

This and these flaws are the biggest reason he is still a DC at VT.

Bud was also unwilling to step back to a G5 school to get in the door as a HC. He was only interested in P5 jobs, which considering his paycheck at VT makes sense, but it limited his options. I do think he is the perfect example of a great coordinator who really isn't built to be a HC.

Back to our assistant coaches search...

This thread got OT, which led to me skipping some posts, so sorry if this was mentioned but I liked some of Coach Trip's tweets from today:

"Great day of phone recruiting and talking to @JMUCoachHouston about the BIG TIME staff he's about to put together! Now pulling on campus..."

"Can't wait to check out my first @JMUMBasketball game tonight! #BeatDrexel"

(01-21-2016 06:02 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  This thread got OT, which led to me skipping some posts, so sorry if this was mentioned but I liked some of Coach Trip's tweets from today:

"Great day of phone recruiting and talking to @JMUCoachHouston about the BIG TIME staff he's about to put together! Now pulling on campus..."

"Can't wait to check out my first @JMUMBasketball game tonight! #BeatDrexel"

That's awesome! Thanks for posting. Looking forward to seeing what the staff looks like. I am feeling good about this hire! Go Dukes!!

(01-21-2016 06:29 PM)84Breeze Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 06:02 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  This thread got OT, which led to me skipping some posts, so sorry if this was mentioned but I liked some of Coach Trip's tweets from today:

"Great day of phone recruiting and talking to @JMUCoachHouston about the BIG TIME staff he's about to put together! Now pulling on campus..."

"Can't wait to check out my first @JMUMBasketball game tonight! #BeatDrexel"

That's awesome! Thanks for posting. Looking forward to seeing what the staff looks like. I am feeling good about this hire! Go Dukes!!

Sounds great, hope we land these guys soon so they can wrap up recruiting and start installing an improved D! Will be interesting to see where the BIG TIME folks come from. Would like to see a few from outside the SoCon, maybe some MVC or G5/P5 folks.

I think it is about time we start hearing about our next OC and DC.

OT, but felt like i should post it.

Tennessee Tech: UT-Martin wide receivers coach/pass game coordinator Justin Rascati will be the new offensive coordinator at Tennessee Tech.

(01-22-2016 01:40 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  OT, but felt like i should post it.

Tennessee Tech: UT-Martin wide receivers coach/pass game coordinator Justin Rascati will be the new offensive coordinator at Tennessee Tech.

That's great. My Dad (on tenn tech fb team during their glory days in the early 70s) and my brother/sister are tenn tech alums.

I hope Justin does well. Then we can bring him to jmu!

(01-20-2016 12:36 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:49 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Like the recruits thread, a place keep track of rumored and known coaches that will be part of Coach Houston's staff.

I will admit, I have been more concerned about the coach's ability to line up a good staff than the possible loss of a few recruits. It's late in the process and Houston, I would assume, doesn't have the type of connections that EW had.

Good thinking. Let me add some of my own thinking. Again, I wish the best for EW and his family and I mean it sincerely.

EW was coaching at the highest levels of college football for a short while with Texas and Ohio State:

1988–1989 Austin Peay (DC)
1990 Austin Peay (ST/WR)
1991 Tulane (assistant)
1992–1993 Southern Miss (assistant)
1994 New Orleans Saints (assistant)
1995–1997 Louisville (DC)
1998–2000 Texas (assistant)
2001–2006 Tennessee Titans (assistant)
2007 Minnesota (DC)
2008–2010 North Carolina (DC)
2011 North Carolina
2012–2013 Ohio State (DC)
2014–2015 James Madison
2016–present Texas State

If you look at his record closely, he has a lot of assistant titles. When EW did get a full title (DC) it was for 2/3 years or less. Why? NC passed on him for HC. Why? He is from NC. So, EW may have connections, but, do good coaches want to work on his staff? He does not have a "going places" career path. So, I don't think he has a "leg up" on Mike Houston. In fact, Mike Houston has created a career path. That could mean that he possesses rare coaching talent and good young coaches want to work for and with talent. I think Bourne might have done well.

(01-22-2016 02:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:36 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:49 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Like the recruits thread, a place keep track of rumored and known coaches that will be part of Coach Houston's staff.

I will admit, I have been more concerned about the coach's ability to line up a good staff than the possible loss of a few recruits. It's late in the process and Houston, I would assume, doesn't have the type of connections that EW had.

Good thinking. Let me add some of my own thinking. Again, I wish the best for EW and his family and I mean it sincerely.

EW was coaching at the highest levels of college football for a short while with Texas and Ohio State:

1988–1989 Austin Peay (DC)
1990 Austin Peay (ST/WR)
1991 Tulane (assistant)
1992–1993 Southern Miss (assistant)
1994 New Orleans Saints (assistant)
1995–1997 Louisville (DC)
1998–2000 Texas (assistant)
2001–2006 Tennessee Titans (assistant)
2007 Minnesota (DC)
2008–2010 North Carolina (DC)
2011 North Carolina
2012–2013 Ohio State (DC)
2014–2015 James Madison
2016–present Texas State

If you look at his record closely, he has a lot of assistant titles. When EW did get a full title (DC) it was for 2/3 years or less. Why? NC passed on him for HC. Why? He is from NC. So, EW may have connections, but, do good coaches want to work on his staff? He does not have a "going places" career path. So, I don't think he has a "leg up" on Mike Houston. In fact, Mike Houston has created a career path. That could mean that he possesses rare coaching talent and good young coaches want to work for and with talent. I think Bourne might have done well.

EW made a huge impact with that 2007 Minnesota Golden Gopher team. They went 1-11 giving up an average of 37 points a game.


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We have a really solid hire...less flash, more cash.

(01-22-2016 02:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:36 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:49 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Like the recruits thread, a place keep track of rumored and known coaches that will be part of Coach Houston's staff.

I will admit, I have been more concerned about the coach's ability to line up a good staff than the possible loss of a few recruits. It's late in the process and Houston, I would assume, doesn't have the type of connections that EW had.

Good thinking. Let me add some of my own thinking. Again, I wish the best for EW and his family and I mean it sincerely.

EW was coaching at the highest levels of college football for a short while with Texas and Ohio State:

1988–1989 Austin Peay (DC)
1990 Austin Peay (ST/WR)
1991 Tulane (assistant)
1992–1993 Southern Miss (assistant)
1994 New Orleans Saints (assistant)
1995–1997 Louisville (DC)
1998–2000 Texas (assistant)
2001–2006 Tennessee Titans (assistant)
2007 Minnesota (DC)
2008–2010 North Carolina (DC)
2011 North Carolina
2012–2013 Ohio State (DC)
2014–2015 James Madison
2016–present Texas State

If you look at his record closely, he has a lot of assistant titles. When EW did get a full title (DC) it was for 2/3 years or less. Why? NC passed on him for HC. Why? He is from NC. So, EW may have connections, but, do good coaches want to work on his staff? He does not have a "going places" career path. So, I don't think he has a "leg up" on Mike Houston. In fact, Mike Houston has created a career path. That could mean that he possesses rare coaching talent and good young coaches want to work for and with talent. I think Bourne might have done well.

Regardless of he's ability to coach I have a HUGE issue hiring someone who has had 11 jobs in 27 years (average of 2.45 years). That's a big red flag to me, I would have been concerned with that if I had been on the committee hiring him.

I think we saw that and have learned our lesson. I see Houston as a family guy who will stay hopefully his staff is of the same mentality.

(01-22-2016 07:14 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 02:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:36 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:49 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Like the recruits thread, a place keep track of rumored and known coaches that will be part of Coach Houston's staff.

I will admit, I have been more concerned about the coach's ability to line up a good staff than the possible loss of a few recruits. It's late in the process and Houston, I would assume, doesn't have the type of connections that EW had.

Good thinking. Let me add some of my own thinking. Again, I wish the best for EW and his family and I mean it sincerely.

EW was coaching at the highest levels of college football for a short while with Texas and Ohio State:

1988–1989 Austin Peay (DC)
1990 Austin Peay (ST/WR)
1991 Tulane (assistant)
1992–1993 Southern Miss (assistant)
1994 New Orleans Saints (assistant)
1995–1997 Louisville (DC)
1998–2000 Texas (assistant)
2001–2006 Tennessee Titans (assistant)
2007 Minnesota (DC)
2008–2010 North Carolina (DC)
2011 North Carolina
2012–2013 Ohio State (DC)
2014–2015 James Madison
2016–present Texas State

If you look at his record closely, he has a lot of assistant titles. When EW did get a full title (DC) it was for 2/3 years or less. Why? NC passed on him for HC. Why? He is from NC. So, EW may have connections, but, do good coaches want to work on his staff? He does not have a "going places" career path. So, I don't think he has a "leg up" on Mike Houston. In fact, Mike Houston has created a career path. That could mean that he possesses rare coaching talent and good young coaches want to work for and with talent. I think Bourne might have done well.

Regardless of he's ability to coach I have a HUGE issue hiring someone who has had 11 jobs in 27 years (average of 2.45 years). That's a big red flag to me, I would have been concerned with that if I had been on the committee hiring him.

I think we saw that and have learned our lesson. I see Houston as a family guy who will stay hopefully his staff is of the same mentality.

I'm excited about Houston, but he's had two jobs in five years. He does the same thing, only he hasn't had as long to do it! I understand that's how it works, so if he stays and brings us conference titles and deep playoff runs, I will gladly take a few years of that before he moves on.

(01-22-2016 08:43 PM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 07:14 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 02:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:36 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:49 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Like the recruits thread, a place keep track of rumored and known coaches that will be part of Coach Houston's staff.

I will admit, I have been more concerned about the coach's ability to line up a good staff than the possible loss of a few recruits. It's late in the process and Houston, I would assume, doesn't have the type of connections that EW had.

Good thinking. Let me add some of my own thinking. Again, I wish the best for EW and his family and I mean it sincerely.

EW was coaching at the highest levels of college football for a short while with Texas and Ohio State:

1988–1989 Austin Peay (DC)
1990 Austin Peay (ST/WR)
1991 Tulane (assistant)
1992–1993 Southern Miss (assistant)
1994 New Orleans Saints (assistant)
1995–1997 Louisville (DC)
1998–2000 Texas (assistant)
2001–2006 Tennessee Titans (assistant)
2007 Minnesota (DC)
2008–2010 North Carolina (DC)
2011 North Carolina
2012–2013 Ohio State (DC)
2014–2015 James Madison
2016–present Texas State

If you look at his record closely, he has a lot of assistant titles. When EW did get a full title (DC) it was for 2/3 years or less. Why? NC passed on him for HC. Why? He is from NC. So, EW may have connections, but, do good coaches want to work on his staff? He does not have a "going places" career path. So, I don't think he has a "leg up" on Mike Houston. In fact, Mike Houston has created a career path. That could mean that he possesses rare coaching talent and good young coaches want to work for and with talent. I think Bourne might have done well.

Regardless of he's ability to coach I have a HUGE issue hiring someone who has had 11 jobs in 27 years (average of 2.45 years). That's a big red flag to me, I would have been concerned with that if I had been on the committee hiring him.

I think we saw that and have learned our lesson. I see Houston as a family guy who will stay hopefully his staff is of the same mentality.

I'm excited about Houston, but he's had two jobs in five years. He does the same thing, only he hasn't had as long to do it! I understand that's how it works, so if he stays and brings us conference titles and deep playoff runs, I will gladly take a few years of that before he moves on.

Houston was at LR for 7 years with 3 as HC, so your statement is just false.

(01-22-2016 10:18 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 08:43 PM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 07:14 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 02:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:36 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  I will admit, I have been more concerned about the coach's ability to line up a good staff than the possible loss of a few recruits. It's late in the process and Houston, I would assume, doesn't have the type of connections that EW had.

Good thinking. Let me add some of my own thinking. Again, I wish the best for EW and his family and I mean it sincerely.

EW was coaching at the highest levels of college football for a short while with Texas and Ohio State:

1988–1989 Austin Peay (DC)
1990 Austin Peay (ST/WR)
1991 Tulane (assistant)
1992–1993 Southern Miss (assistant)
1994 New Orleans Saints (assistant)
1995–1997 Louisville (DC)
1998–2000 Texas (assistant)
2001–2006 Tennessee Titans (assistant)
2007 Minnesota (DC)
2008–2010 North Carolina (DC)
2011 North Carolina
2012–2013 Ohio State (DC)
2014–2015 James Madison
2016–present Texas State

If you look at his record closely, he has a lot of assistant titles. When EW did get a full title (DC) it was for 2/3 years or less. Why? NC passed on him for HC. Why? He is from NC. So, EW may have connections, but, do good coaches want to work on his staff? He does not have a "going places" career path. So, I don't think he has a "leg up" on Mike Houston. In fact, Mike Houston has created a career path. That could mean that he possesses rare coaching talent and good young coaches want to work for and with talent. I think Bourne might have done well.

Regardless of he's ability to coach I have a HUGE issue hiring someone who has had 11 jobs in 27 years (average of 2.45 years). That's a big red flag to me, I would have been concerned with that if I had been on the committee hiring him.

I think we saw that and have learned our lesson. I see Houston as a family guy who will stay hopefully his staff is of the same mentality.

I'm excited about Houston, but he's had two jobs in five years. He does the same thing, only he hasn't had as long to do it! I understand that's how it works, so if he stays and brings us conference titles and deep playoff runs, I will gladly take a few years of that before he moves on.

Houston was at LR for 7 years with 3 as HC, so your statement is just false.

The difference is EW was trying to make a name in the FBS and NFL and Houston started out in HS and Division Two. Coaches in FBS tend to move around a ton , Division two coaches can have long careers at their schools.

If yall had the choice between The Mike houston of now and the EW from two years ago ( before the defense), who would we then say is a better hire ?

Houston is a project hire , three playoff seasons in college football and one on the 1-AA level. One could possibly project progression but playing in the CAA is a bit tougher.

(01-22-2016 10:31 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 10:18 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 08:43 PM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 07:14 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 02:44 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  Good thinking. Let me add some of my own thinking. Again, I wish the best for EW and his family and I mean it sincerely.

EW was coaching at the highest levels of college football for a short while with Texas and Ohio State:

1988–1989 Austin Peay (DC)
1990 Austin Peay (ST/WR)
1991 Tulane (assistant)
1992–1993 Southern Miss (assistant)
1994 New Orleans Saints (assistant)
1995–1997 Louisville (DC)
1998–2000 Texas (assistant)
2001–2006 Tennessee Titans (assistant)
2007 Minnesota (DC)
2008–2010 North Carolina (DC)
2011 North Carolina
2012–2013 Ohio State (DC)
2014–2015 James Madison
2016–present Texas State

If you look at his record closely, he has a lot of assistant titles. When EW did get a full title (DC) it was for 2/3 years or less. Why? NC passed on him for HC. Why? He is from NC. So, EW may have connections, but, do good coaches want to work on his staff? He does not have a "going places" career path. So, I don't think he has a "leg up" on Mike Houston. In fact, Mike Houston has created a career path. That could mean that he possesses rare coaching talent and good young coaches want to work for and with talent. I think Bourne might have done well.

Regardless of he's ability to coach I have a HUGE issue hiring someone who has had 11 jobs in 27 years (average of 2.45 years). That's a big red flag to me, I would have been concerned with that if I had been on the committee hiring him.

I think we saw that and have learned our lesson. I see Houston as a family guy who will stay hopefully his staff is of the same mentality.

I'm excited about Houston, but he's had two jobs in five years. He does the same thing, only he hasn't had as long to do it! I understand that's how it works, so if he stays and brings us conference titles and deep playoff runs, I will gladly take a few years of that before he moves on.

Houston was at LR for 7 years with 3 as HC, so your statement is just false.

The difference is EW was trying to make a name in the FBS and NFL and Houston started out in HS and Division Two. Coaches in FBS tend to move around a ton , Division two coaches can have long careers at their schools.

If yall had the choice between The Mike houston of now and the EW from two years ago ( before the defense), who would we then say is a better hire ?

Houston is a project hire , three playoff seasons in college football and one on the 1-AA level. One could possibly project progression but playing in the CAA is a bit tougher.

Considering EW's on the field results at:
Titans: terrible
Minnesota: terrible
UNC: mediocre overall
Ohio State: terrible

I'd say Houston was the better hire..

(01-22-2016 03:35 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Prior to JMU Withers was:
01'-06' Tennessee Titans (secondary coach)
07' Minnesota Gophers (DC)
08'-11' UNC (3 as DC and 1 as interim HC)
12'-13' Ohio State (co DC/secondary coach).

Tennessee Titans vs the pass:
2000: #1 (Season before Withers)
2001: DEAD LAST
2002: 25th,
2003: 30th
2004: 26th
2005: 17th
2006: 27th
2007: 10th. (Season after Withers)

Minnesota defense
2006 26.0 ppg (86th)/426.3 ypg (113th) (season before Withers)
2007 36.7 ppg (109th)/518.6 ypg (119th) DEAD LAST
2008 24.7 ppg (61st)/383.6 ypg (80th) (season after Withers)

UNC defense
2007 24.5 (45th) / 349.8 ypg (37th) (season before Withers)
2008 20.3 ppg (28th) / 357.9 ypg (62nd)
2009 16.9 ppg (13th) / 267.8 ypg (6th)
2010 22.9 ppg (49th) / 338.5 ypg (33rd)
2011 23.5 ppg (48th) / 352.9 ypg (42nd)
2012 25.7 ppg (54th) / 389.6 ypg (59th) (season after Withers)

OSU versus the pass
2011 182 ypg (14th) (Season before Withers)
2012 243.5 ypg (78th)
2013 268 ypg (112th)
2014 201.1 ypg (29th) (Season after Withers)

(01-22-2016 10:37 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 10:31 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 10:18 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 08:43 PM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 07:14 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  Regardless of he's ability to coach I have a HUGE issue hiring someone who has had 11 jobs in 27 years (average of 2.45 years). That's a big red flag to me, I would have been concerned with that if I had been on the committee hiring him.

I think we saw that and have learned our lesson. I see Houston as a family guy who will stay hopefully his staff is of the same mentality.

I'm excited about Houston, but he's had two jobs in five years. He does the same thing, only he hasn't had as long to do it! I understand that's how it works, so if he stays and brings us conference titles and deep playoff runs, I will gladly take a few years of that before he moves on.

Houston was at LR for 7 years with 3 as HC, so your statement is just false.

The difference is EW was trying to make a name in the FBS and NFL and Houston started out in HS and Division Two. Coaches in FBS tend to move around a ton , Division two coaches can have long careers at their schools.

If yall had the choice between The Mike houston of now and the EW from two years ago ( before the defense), who would we then say is a better hire ?

Houston is a project hire , three playoff seasons in college football and one on the 1-AA level. One could possibly project progression but playing in the CAA is a bit tougher.

Considering EW's on the field results at:
Titans: terrible
Minnesota: terrible
UNC: mediocre overall
Ohio State: terrible

I'd say Houston was the better hire..

(01-22-2016 03:35 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Prior to JMU Withers was:
01'-06' Tennessee Titans (secondary coach)
07' Minnesota Gophers (DC)
08'-11' UNC (3 as DC and 1 as interim HC)
12'-13' Ohio State (co DC/secondary coach).

Tennessee Titans vs the pass:
2000: #1 (Season before Withers)
2001: DEAD LAST
2002: 25th,
2003: 30th
2004: 26th
2005: 17th
2006: 27th
2007: 10th. (Season after Withers)

Minnesota defense
2006 26.0 ppg (86th)/426.3 ypg (113th) (season before Withers)
2007 36.7 ppg (109th)/518.6 ypg (119th) DEAD LAST
2008 24.7 ppg (61st)/383.6 ypg (80th) (season after Withers)

UNC defense
2007 24.5 (45th) / 349.8 ypg (37th) (season before Withers)
2008 20.3 ppg (28th) / 357.9 ypg (62nd)
2009 16.9 ppg (13th) / 267.8 ypg (6th)
2010 22.9 ppg (49th) / 338.5 ypg (33rd)
2011 23.5 ppg (48th) / 352.9 ypg (42nd)
2012 25.7 ppg (54th) / 389.6 ypg (59th) (season after Withers)

OSU versus the pass
2011 182 ypg (14th) (Season before Withers)
2012 243.5 ypg (78th)
2013 268 ypg (112th)
2014 201.1 ypg (29th) (Season after Withers)

HR,

Coaches can coach doesn't matter where they are. Time will tell with Houston but playing D3 and coaching D2 is not a bad thing. A certain coach at Notre Dame followed that route pretty successfully.