San Antonio/Austin
London
St. Louis
Orlando
Las Vegas
Salt Lake/Wasatch
Toronto
Portland
Sacramento
Norfolk/Hampton Roads
El Paso
Birmingham (excellent football market)
Grand Rapids
New York City (as in the actual city limits, not New Jersey)
San Diego (Chargers only)
Oakland (Raiders only)

Mexico City and London are at the top...the rest are just filling...

Mexico City? There's not nearly enough disposable income among enough people for that to work long term (the other part is interest). It's the same issue that holds San Antonio back and makes it surprising New Orleans has two teams.

(01-20-2016 11:07 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Mexico City? There's not nearly enough disposable income among enough people for that to work long term (the other part is interest). It's the same issue that holds San Antonio back and makes it surprising New Orleans has two teams.

Stunning that New Orleans has a NFL/NBA combo

(01-20-2016 03:03 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:07 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Mexico City? There's not nearly enough disposable income among enough people for that to work long term (the other part is interest). It's the same issue that holds San Antonio back and makes it surprising New Orleans has two teams.

Stunning that New Orleans has a NFL/NBA combo

St. Louis and New Orleans even each other out for the Big 4.

(01-20-2016 03:03 PM)Maize Wrote:  Stunning that New Orleans has a NFL/NBA combo

It really is. As Hurricane Katrina exposed, there was and to a similar degree still is a significant underclass in New Orleans and even into the suburbs, there are still plenty of impoverished people (Louisiana over the years has been the poorest state in the country).

The Saints are one thing, they've been around for almost 50 years and are an institution in an already popular sport with 10-12 home games a year but I'm really surprised how long the NBA has lasted there. As a matter of fact, politics is the only reason they're still there, as they should have been in OKC.

Some day I would like to see Chicago build a world class Inglewood style roofed stadium and bring in a second team, but Chicago can't even pay its teachers, so probably can forget that idea.

Another idea is to build a 60k dome stadium out near NIU in Dekalb ILL. NIU could play it's Tuesday night MAC games there and the NFL could play there on Sundays. It could draw from chicago's western burbs and maybe even from Madison, WI and eastern Iowa.

(01-20-2016 03:03 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:07 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Mexico City? There's not nearly enough disposable income among enough people for that to work long term (the other part is interest). It's the same issue that holds San Antonio back and makes it surprising New Orleans has two teams.

Stunning that New Orleans has a NFL/NBA combo

How did New Orleans basketball end up with the most horrible name of PELICANS....

they can't be called the Voodoo? Swamp Gators? something besides Pelicans....weak

^

Voodoo is already taken (by the Arena League team) and I agree as far as the overall name. They either should have gone by the Louisiana Pelicans or Bayou Pelicans if that was too long. OKC Thunder is worse, I don't know what's wrong with the fewer syllablle Oklahoma Thunder which is all inclusive for the entire state as well).

(01-20-2016 04:49 PM)goofus Wrote:  Some day I would like to see Chicago build a world class Inglewood style roofed stadium and bring in a second team, but Chicago can't even pay its teachers, so probably can forget that idea.

Another idea is to build a 60k dome stadium out near NIU in Dekalb ILL. NIU could play it's Tuesday night MAC games there and the NFL could play there on Sundays. It could draw from chicago's western burbs and maybe even from Madison, WI and eastern Iowa.

If one of these super expensive arenas or stadiums is privately financed, the owners are going to want to be in the midst of the population center to maximize the appeal and frequent use of their expensive new building. Kroenkeworld makes much more sense in Inglewood than it would in Riverside or San Bernardino. Jerryworld is in Arlington, not in Waco or halfway out to Wichita Falls.

If a Chicago Dome ever happens, it better get a major B1G vs P5 bowl game!

(01-20-2016 07:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If a Chicago Dome ever happens, it better get a major B1G vs P5 bowl game!

Kind of surprised such a facility isn't part of McCormick Place, given it was proposed to host about one-third of the 2016 Olympics.

I always thought the perfect location for a new domed stadium in Chicago was the site that was formerly occupied by Robert Taylor Homes. It is just south of the loop.

Rather than adding sports, I'm surprised Chicago still has 2 MLB teams. I don't know if its possible for two Chicago teams to get equal footing. Perhaps if the Cardinals had stayed, they could. The White Sox have been slightly better and won a World Series yet are the redheaded step child compared to the Cubs, who people go crazy over if they win a playoff series.

Perhaps that stadium should be built on the North Side since people tend to like it better.

Just some thoughts on the ones I don't think have a chance.

(01-20-2016 10:49 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Cities and markets I have on my NFL radar

St. Louis - I suppose they will always be in discussion, but I think the way Kroenke napalmed the city on the way out, neither side is really into each other right now.

Orlando - Would not happen as long as Tamp has a team, unless it was the Bucs.

Las Vegas - I don't know if a team in Vegas would have the appeal of an NHL or NBA team to the businesses more likely to use them, because it is weeknights they really want to use. Plus if the team were successful and made the playoffs, dare I say the Super Bowl, that could costs the city billions in lost revenue, since it is likely betting on a Vegas team would be outlawed. That would be VERY bad news for the city.

Toronto - too close to Buffalo, unless it was the Bills.
Portland

Sacramento - see the issue they had with the Kings? Imagine dealing with the NFL/ Also could only happen if the Raiders, or the Chargers if the Raiders move to LA

Norfolk/Hampton Roads - Between the Redskins, Ravens, and Panthers, too many teams in the region, and between the three of them, they would object.

El Paso - Really?

Birmingham (excellent football market) - College football. And I'd all but assure that Alabama and Auburn would not ever let this happen.

Grand Rapids - Huh? Not really big enough, and only about two hours from Detroit.

New York City (as in the actual city limits, not New Jersey) - To expensive to build, that is why the Giants and Jets are in NJ. Plus, a third team will never get in.

El Paso is a growing sizable city out in the middle of nowhere (okay, Juarez City is there but on the other side of the border) that lacks pro sports. Albuquerque and the Texas Panhandle could supply extra fans as could Tucson.

I don't think its likely but possible. Same with Grand Rapids, it's a large city that's never had a major pro sport. And what power would college teams have over the NFL? Unless the NFL would use Bryant-Denny or Auburn's field, it's non-starter. Finally, thanks to the new Meadowlands Stadium, a team actually playing in NYC is not gonna happen any time soon. But it's something I could see in the future.

(01-21-2016 12:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just some thoughts on the ones I don't think have a chance.

(01-20-2016 10:49 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Cities and markets I have on my NFL radar

Grand Rapids - Huh? Not really big enough, and only about two hours from Detroit.

I saw Grand Rapids and I was like, is that some kind of inside joke. Does he seriously mean Grand Rapids, Michigan? Is there another Grand Rapids in another state he is talking about?

BUT I looked it up. It has a metro area of over 1 million people and is ranked #53 of all metro areas in the USA. So not as far fetched as I first thought. I always assumed it was similar in size to Cedar Rapids, IA. Assumed it only had around 200k. So I learned something today.

Still, the metro area is smaller in population than Jacksonville, and we can see how well that is working out. Maybe if there was no team on Detroit, it could be like Green Bay is to Milwaukee. But as long as there is a team in Detroit, probably no chance for Grand Rapids getting a team.

Grand Rapids would get behind a team because what else is going on there? Tossing furniture around (it's the self-proclaimed Furniture Capital of the World)? They have nothing there sports wise, aside from Western Michigan and Michigan State, neither of which is exactly on the edge of town.

That said, I don't think it is growing, so probably not. I probably should have included it on my NBA list, as their minor league basketball team was huge before Isaiah Thomas ran the league into the ground.

To add to everything I said, GR has a TV market larger than selected current pro sports markets like Oklahoma City, Jacksonville, Memphis, Buffalo, New Orleans, Green Bay as well as Austin, Tulsa, Las Vegas, Norfolk/Chesapeake Bay, Albuquerque and Greensboro/Winston-Salem so it's not some pedestrian Midwestern town like Green Bay.

(01-20-2016 10:49 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  San Antonio/Austin
--They did somewhat build the Alamo Dome to do this very thing.
London
--I know they keep dropping Jags games over there but NFLE didn't do so well. Not sure what the economics were when it was the WLAF.
St. Louis
--They have lost he Cardinals and the Rams... I doubt they have any cachet to get a ANOTHER do over. I mean Houston got the Texans post Oilers(now Titans) moving, Baltimore got the Ravens (formerly Browns), and Cleveland got the Browns back so its not without precedent but like I said, the NFL has left them twice.
Orlando
--Don't see the point with the Dolphins, Buccaneers, and Jaguars already in the state.
Las Vegas
--NOPE. It would take seeing how the NHL/NBA would fare there before the NFL would take it seriously.
Salt Lake/Wasatch
--NOPE
Toronto
--Interesting idea, I wonder how the CFL's Argonauts would go for this.
Portland
--NOPE
Sacramento
--Now they did have the Surge in the WLAF so I wouldn't be too surprised, but considering the King's issues and the NFL issues with LA/Oakland/San Diego... I don't see how this would work.
Norfolk/Hampton Roads
--NOPE: Panthers, Ravens, and Redskins....
El Paso
--NOPE
Birmingham (excellent football market)
--Didn't they have CFL, WLAF, and USFL teams in that area?
Grand Rapids
--NOPE
New York City (as in the actual city limits, not New Jersey)
--I'd buy the market is large enough but how would that play out with the Jets and the Giants having to share a facility while this new team gets one to itself. Also, with the city having a AFC/NFC split, who gets the tiebreaker?
San Diego (Chargers only)
Oakland (Raiders only)
--Whomever joins the Rams in LA needs to play out before these can be a legit issue. That said, there has already been precedent with the Raiders in Oakland and LA.

JMO....