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I was switching back and forth between the UConn and ECU games last night and during one of them, I’m not sure which, the announcers were talking about SMU being ineligible for post season play, and I could swear they said that the American doesn’t have an auto bid this year. Can that be correct? Did anyone else hear that?
01-20-2016 08:27 AM
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(01-20-2016 08:27 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I was switching back and forth between the UConn and ECU games last night and during one of them, I’m not sure which, the announcers were talking about SMU being ineligible for post season play, and I could swear they said that the American doesn’t have an auto bid this year. Can that be correct? Did anyone else hear that?

Didn't see that but it's false. My guess is that they said that the race for the automatic bid is wide open or something like that.
01-20-2016 08:29 AM
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So why did SMU not go the Carolina route and delay the investigation? blame the women's team for something like UNC did and finish this season out. Chances are you might not have a team like this for years to come. Its a shame to waste it.
01-20-2016 08:39 AM
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(01-20-2016 08:39 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  So why did SMU not go the Carolina route and delay the investigation? blame the women's team for something like UNC did and finish this season out. Chances are you might not have a team like this for years to come. Its a shame to waste it.

I can understand why they didn’t appeal it, if they pushed it back a year chances are they would have lost a good chunk of this year’s recruiting class as well as underclassman on the current roster to transfer. Pushing it out would have had the potential to affect them for multiple seasons, serving the ban this year limits the potential long term damage. I don’t disagree or agree with that move, but I do understand it.
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(01-20-2016 08:39 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  So why did SMU not go the Carolina route and delay the investigation? blame the women's team for something like UNC did and finish this season out. Chances are you might not have a team like this for years to come. Its a shame to waste it.

Lack of cooperation with NCAA investigators almost certainly would have made it all worse.

We made a poor choice when we hired KU's recommendation for a basketball secretary and a poorer choice when we signed Frazier up for a high school class he never needed. The poorest choice was that secretary taking that class for him on a university computer. We have to take our lumps and move on.

It's better for the program, recruiting wise, to get through it ASAP.
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NYCTUFan summed it up pretty well, but the other reason we didn't appeal is because we aren't North Carolina.
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(01-20-2016 09:06 AM)lollaperuna Wrote:  NYCTUFan summed it up pretty well, but the other reason we didn't appeal is because we aren't North Carolina.

And UNC isn't appealing...they are continuing to find new, non-basketball related things for the NCAA to investigate. UNC is hoping that by the end of the investigation, basketball is only an afterthought at the NCAA.
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(01-20-2016 09:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 08:39 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  So why did SMU not go the Carolina route and delay the investigation? blame the women's team for something like UNC did and finish this season out. Chances are you might not have a team like this for years to come. Its a shame to waste it.

Lack of cooperation with NCAA investigators almost certainly would have made it all worse.

We made a poor choice when we hired KU's recommendation for a basketball secretary and a poorer choice when we signed Frazier up for a high school class he never needed. The poorest choice was that secretary taking that class for him on a university computer. We have to take our lumps and move on.

It's better for the program, recruiting wise, to get through it ASAP.

better it hurts one year and is in rear view mirror.
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(01-20-2016 09:11 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 09:06 AM)lollaperuna Wrote:  NYCTUFan summed it up pretty well, but the other reason we didn't appeal is because we aren't North Carolina.

And UNC isn't appealing...they are continuing to find new, non-basketball related things for the NCAA to investigate. UNC is hoping that by the end of the investigation, basketball is only an afterthought at the NCAA.

NC should get death penalty for BB. If it is near that bad, they had just as well stretch it out.COGS
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Question.

So is it better for the AAC for SMU to go undefeated or for them to start losing to the AAC teams we have on the bubble to strengthen their resumes?

They are certainly getting a lot of attention for being undefeated but many people will just think the only reason is they were cheating to get those players.

I guess I'm going to hope they win every game and finish top 3 or 4 ranked but if they lose even one game all the hype is gone and I hope they start losing to all the top AAC teams at that point I guess.
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(01-20-2016 09:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 08:39 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  So why did SMU not go the Carolina route and delay the investigation? blame the women's team for something like UNC did and finish this season out. Chances are you might not have a team like this for years to come. Its a shame to waste it.

Lack of cooperation with NCAA investigators almost certainly would have made it all worse.

We made a poor choice when we hired KU's recommendation for a basketball secretary and a poorer choice when we signed Frazier up for a high school class he never needed. The poorest choice was that secretary taking that class for him on a university computer. We have to take our lumps and move on.

It's better for the program, recruiting wise, to get through it ASAP.
I don't know... your team is really good. I would think SMU getting to a final 4 or maybe even winning a title is better for recruiting than not missing that year.
01-20-2016 10:23 AM
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Is it possible the announcers were talking about the NIT autobid for a regular season champ who doesn't go to the Dance?

Or more likely, announcers screwed up completely.
01-20-2016 10:25 AM
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(01-20-2016 10:11 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Question.

So is it better for the AAC for SMU to go undefeated or for them to start losing to the AAC teams we have on the bubble to strengthen their resumes?

They are certainly getting a lot of attention for being undefeated but many people will just think the only reason is they were cheating to get those players.

I guess I'm going to hope they win every game and finish top 3 or 4 ranked but if they lose even one game all the hype is gone and I hope they start losing to all the top AAC teams at that point I guess.

With SMU being ineligible I think the best you can hope for at this point is the AAC being a 3 bid league and I believe the only way you are getting 3 in is if a dark horse wins the AAC tournament.

So IMO if SMUs only losses are to 2 teams from the group of Cincinnati, Memphis, UConn, Temple or Tulsa and those 2 teams ran the conference table with their only other losses being to each other (a very tall order), and both performed well in the conference tournament (one losing in the finals to the dark horse) then I think you would be in a position to get those 2 in with at large bids.

I didn’t include Houston in the above mix only because i believe their OOC schedule MAY hold them back, however I think they can easily win the conference tournament and be that 3rd team from the AAC.

Now if you’re an SMU fan all of the above is meaningless and you’re hoping for a perfect season and that’s completely understandable, I'd be rooting for the same thing.
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(01-20-2016 10:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Is it possible the announcers were talking about the NIT autobid for a regular season champ who doesn't go to the Dance?

Or more likely, announcers screwed up completely.

It was the play by play guy on the ECU Tulsa game, he was an idiot
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Most likely result is that Cincinnati, UConn, Tulsa, and Temple earn two NCAA and two NIT bids. Memphis has a shot as well but their RPI is sky high. Most models have their RPI above 75 even if they 12 conference games.
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