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They can't even spell "crappy" correctly.

(01-20-2016 08:37 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  They can't even spell "crappy" correctly.

My first time watching an entire game in several years. My observations were:
the refs in the MAC still suck
Booth has a solid shot at the NBA - but not as an inside guy. Can't count how many short shots he missed. Good outside shooter.
Mosely looked like an All-MAC performer. Haven't read about that before so either this was an aberration, or the start of something good.
Jon Williams took some ill-advised shots, but a solid player overall
Defense looked ok at times and horrid at other times. Really good about half as often as they were horrid. Not a team strength, but not as bad as I've seen before at Oakland U.
Garber can't seem to catch the ball or handle it when he has it. Looked to easy to knock the ball out of his hands on his put-backs off rebounds. Decent rebounder. Ok on defense.
As a team, looked much better than when I had to walk out of the game at Oakland 2 years ago. Swore I would never go to a game again. May reconsider now. this is a better team than that one.

(01-20-2016 09:14 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  My first time watching an entire game in several years. My observations were:
the refs in the MAC still suck
Booth has a solid shot at the NBA - but not as an inside guy. Can't count how many short shots he missed. Good outside shooter.
Mosely looked like an All-MAC performer. Haven't read about that before so either this was an aberration, or the start of something good.
Jon Williams took some ill-advised shots, but a solid player overall
Defense looked ok at times and horrid at other times. Really good about half as often as they were horrid. Not a team strength, but not as bad as I've seen before at Oakland U.
Garber can't seem to catch the ball or handle it when he has it. Looked to easy to knock the ball out of his hands on his put-backs off rebounds. Decent rebounder. Ok on defense.
As a team, looked much better than when I had to walk out of the game at Oakland 2 years ago. Swore I would never go to a game again. May reconsider now. this is a better team than that one.

Pretty good assessment. Mosley was awful against NIU and has really stepped up since. We're watching most of these guys grow up before our eyes. Didn't see the game last night but Boothe has a McHalian assortment of inside moves usually ending in baskets off of short hooks, five foot fadeaway so or outright lay ups. He has great range but his inside game is very solid.

(01-20-2016 09:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 09:14 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  My first time watching an entire game in several years. My observations were:
the refs in the MAC still suck
Booth has a solid shot at the NBA - but not as an inside guy. Can't count how many short shots he missed. Good outside shooter.
Mosely looked like an All-MAC performer. Haven't read about that before so either this was an aberration, or the start of something good.
Jon Williams took some ill-advised shots, but a solid player overall
Defense looked ok at times and horrid at other times. Really good about half as often as they were horrid. Not a team strength, but not as bad as I've seen before at Oakland U.
Garber can't seem to catch the ball or handle it when he has it. Looked to easy to knock the ball out of his hands on his put-backs off rebounds. Decent rebounder. Ok on defense.
As a team, looked much better than when I had to walk out of the game at Oakland 2 years ago. Swore I would never go to a game again. May reconsider now. this is a better team than that one.

Pretty good assessment. Mosley was awful against NIU and has really stepped up since. We're watching most of these guys grow up before our eyes. Didn't see the game last night but Boothe has a McHalian assortment of inside moves usually ending in baskets off of short hooks, five foot fadeaway so or outright lay ups. He has great range but his inside game is very solid.

Boothe missed 5 to 10 shots he normally makes easily. He should have hat 30+ points vs. the bird brains.

It is tough to assess a team on one game. Toledo has enough guys to step up and win, even with some having a low game. The early MAC losses probably had more to do with youth. Even though the MAC gets little respect, moving into conference play changes a lot. It was a good learning experience, and the young guys are responding. Especially Sanford. Garber has been a nice answer to losing Weatherspoon as last years inside help. I think this teams inside presence is more intimidating. We have seen a nice job of Garber embracing his role. Boothe is great and usually deadly accurate anywhere near the hoop. His short jumpers until last night were almost automatic. What's great about this team is any night Navigato, Mosely, Sanford could just light it up along with Williams and Boothe pretty automatic 20+. From what I can see everyone is dependable late at the line as well. This a fun team to watch, and should be really competitive down the stretch.

(01-20-2016 09:14 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  My first time watching an entire game in several years. My observations were:
the refs in the MAC still suck
Booth has a solid shot at the NBA - but not as an inside guy. Can't count how many short shots he missed. Good outside shooter.
Mosely looked like an All-MAC performer. Haven't read about that before so either this was an aberration, or the start of something good.
Jon Williams took some ill-advised shots, but a solid player overall
Defense looked ok at times and horrid at other times. Really good about half as often as they were horrid. Not a team strength, but not as bad as I've seen before at Oakland U.
Garber can't seem to catch the ball or handle it when he has it. Looked to easy to knock the ball out of his hands on his put-backs off rebounds. Decent rebounder. Ok on defense.
As a team, looked much better than when I had to walk out of the game at Oakland 2 years ago. Swore I would never go to a game again. May reconsider now. this is a better team than that one.

I think your wrong about Garber, very good defensive player, plays hard, will good better down on the blocks

I think Garber's play was key in getting the bg win. He is playng well.

Its no surprise Garber isnt a good shooter outside of 6 feet... He's a center and purely on the floor for his defensive and rebounding ability. He has taken the ball out of a few peoples hands down the lane with his stuffs in MAC play. He shoots at a high percentage when he does decide to go up... He has gotten much better over the offseason and even since we played Hillsdale. No complaints of his role from me. His hands arent great, but so what? Thats what Boothe and the guards are for. His footwork is damn good for a larger body defending the post. Nothing comes easy when teams post us up....

Now leaving guys open to slash happens far too often! I see Navigato and Sanford lost in the paint stairing at guys making layups... But they are young and adjusting to the speed of this level still. We are a team full of young bucks. I think a better scheme against certain teams would help those two out.

(01-21-2016 05:26 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Its no surprise Garber isnt a good shooter outside of 6 feet... He's a center and purely on the floor for his defensive and rebounding ability. He has taken the ball out of a few peoples hands down the lane with his stuffs in MAC play. He shoots at a high percentage when he does decide to go up... He has gotten much better over the offseason and even since we played Hillsdale. No complaints of his role from me. His hands arent great, but so what? Thats what Boothe and the guards are for. His footwork is damn good for a larger body defending the post. Nothing comes easy when teams post us up....

Now leaving guys open to slash happens far too often! I see Navigato and Sanford lost in the paint stairing at guys making layups... But they are young and adjusting to the speed of this level still. We are a team full of young bucks. I think a better scheme against certain teams would help those two out.

good assessment of garber. part of his problem is boothe has such great hands we forget most centers are more like garber. this year he is playing his size. we have 2 legit 6-9, 6-10 guys which sorta makes up for a bunch of young skinny perimeter defenders.

it think the team will continue to improve but take some bumps. the offense has the potential to be very good by the end of the season.

As Coach K has said to the media, this season is an especially interesting one because there is no dominant MAC team. Central should be the team to beat, but they have underachieved all season. There are a lot of teams with a legitimate chance to win the MAC tournament.

Garber has been a pleasant surprise no doubt. He has some low post moves and is developing as we speak. Mosely is the key, if he plays stronger and if he overachieves we can do some damage and will compete for a title, there is no favorite, no dominate players outside of Boothe. Go ROCKETS! Tonite is a test.

(01-22-2016 07:57 AM)UT! Wrote:  Garber has been a pleasant surprise no doubt. He has some low post moves and is developing as we speak. Mosely is the key, if he plays stronger and if he overachieves we can do some damage and will compete for a title, there is no favorite, no dominate players outside of Boothe. Go ROCKETS! Tonite is a test.

Mosley has been a bit of a cipher. By far the most improved player IMO but still shows signs of cluelessness. If the standard established in the last two games becomes the norm, we'll be a tough out. Then our success will depend on our freshmen continuing to grow.

Agree completely. Boothe and Jon Jon will get their points, but the x-factor was who else? If it was like the first NIU game where the entire rest of the team had 15 points, it's going to be .500 the rest of the way, but if we get a consistent one more double figure scorer and good min. on defense, teams won't want to play us. The last two ball games Mosley has been that guy. I hope this is the norm and not an abnormality. I still don't think he's a point guard and IMO didn't think he was a DI player until the last two games. Whatever fire coach K lit under him has worked. If this happens and we get 15 pts. between Sanford and Navigato, we're really humming. I'm still good with Garber not getting big points, but keep playing tough D and getting a few tough paint points and that is pretty much what I expect of him for his career. Do I think that Garber is going to transform into what Boothe is this year, no. Jon Jon also has to play more in control, he's all over the place and in the BG game his turnovers lead directly to a few of their runs.

Jon might be the only player that shows sign of selfishness. Last couple years were unbearable to watch sometimes because guys wanted their touches. This year has been fun to watch the ball movement, the extra pass, and lauf leads the way. Jon forces way too much but I think he will come around. He is not the pure athletic force that can make something out of nothing.

(01-22-2016 09:48 AM)UT! Wrote:  Jon might be the only player that shows sign of selfishness. Last couple years were unbearable to watch sometimes because guys wanted their touches. This year has been fun to watch the ball movement, the extra pass, and lauf leads the way. Jon forces way too much but I think he will come around. He is not the pure athletic force that can make something out of nothing.

Jonjon thinks he's Rian Pearson. While we all wish that he was, he's just not there. Jon is a catch and shoot guy with the ability to make drives underneath when there is space. His problem is the dribbling in traffic and trying to make a Rian play

(01-22-2016 12:08 PM)JCannon21 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 09:48 AM)UT! Wrote:  Jon might be the only player that shows sign of selfishness. Last couple years were unbearable to watch sometimes because guys wanted their touches. This year has been fun to watch the ball movement, the extra pass, and lauf leads the way. Jon forces way too much but I think he will come around. He is not the pure athletic force that can make something out of nothing.

Jonjon thinks he's Rian Pearson. While we all wish that he was, he's just not there. Jon is a catch and shoot guy with the ability to make drives underneath when there is space. His problem is the dribbling in traffic and trying to make a Rian play

Not a great athlete, a very good one, though. When he does play under control he's an asset. When he tries to take over he's a problem ala NIU game. Boothe is getting fewer assists as he is a) taking more shots and b) getting doubled, sometimes tripled to keep him from getting the easy kick-out. Jon-Jon needs to make up for that with smarter passing and cuts w/out the ball instead of head down drives into two or three defenders. Still, I'm very glad we have him and he's among the best twos in the league.