(01-19-2016 04:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The article states Maryland is the best Power Program added to the B1G.

Not sure why there is Louisville bashing going on...Louisville's Hoops pedigree is superior to UMD.

That would be because talking about UMD BBall raises ACC realignment rehashing which invites making the comparison of UMD with the school that replaced it.

But "a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland." doesn't really qualify as "Louisville bashing" in our universe or any parallel ones reasonably close to ours.

Quote: Maryland is having a good season...but let it play out before puffing on the B1G weed.

The original question is which is the best power program added to the Big Ten to date, and to date its Maryland. The question on its own implies nothing whatsoever regarding Louisville, it's a UMD vs Rutgers vs Nebraska vs Penn State comparison.

(01-19-2016 07:39 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  So, Maryland has a better BB program than Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn St.? STOP THE PRESSES!

My first thought as well.

(01-19-2016 08:35 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 07:39 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  So, Maryland has a better BB program than Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn St.? STOP THE PRESSES!

If you cared to read the posters comment, "No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.", you'd realize he was talking about more than just basketball in his post.

OK let me rephrase. Maryland has a better athletic program than Nebraska and Rutgers? STOP THE PRESSES!

I think Maryland was a better add than Louisville for the Big Ten.

I think Louisville was the best add for the ACC at the time of their addition.

I don't think I would have done anything different for either conference based on who was available (i.e. no Texas, UNC, etc.).

Oh great, another thread about The Big Ten that is somehow turned into "The ACC did better with Louisville". That is why you guys get the moniker of being the little brother. You try so damn hard to be "the winner" while we are secure in our place as The Big Brother.

We took the better school and you argue that you have the better basketball program and football program. Really?






Congrats I guess on getting the City school instead of the State school?

(01-20-2016 09:33 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 08:35 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 07:39 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  So, Maryland has a better BB program than Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn St.? STOP THE PRESSES!

If you cared to read the posters comment, "No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.", you'd realize he was talking about more than just basketball in his post.

OK let me rephrase. Maryland has a better athletic program than Nebraska and Rutgers? STOP THE PRESSES!

Haha okay I can agree with that.

(01-20-2016 09:51 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Maryland was a better add than Louisville for the Big Ten.

I think Louisville was the best add for the ACC at the time of their addition.

I don't think I would have done anything different for either conference based on who was available (i.e. no Texas, UNC, etc.).

Precisely what I was trying to say, thank you.

(01-20-2016 11:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Oh great, another thread about The Big Ten that is somehow turned into "The ACC did better with Louisville". That is why you guys get the moniker of being the little brother. You try so damn hard to be "the winner" while we are secure in our place as The Big Brother.

We took the better school and you argue that you have the better basketball program and football program. Really?






Congrats I guess on getting the City school instead of the State school?

Calm down H1, no sense in re-flaming this situation, isn't going to be of any use anyways.

Sorry, I don't play that way.

Here's the thing, I'm really unsure why there's so much chirping here. Maryland is a perfect fit for the B1G, they offer markets, solid basketball, and a decent football program. Louisville has done solid for the ACC as well. Very good hoops, solid football, and such. This is a situation where Maryland heading to the B1G benefited all parties (B1G/ACC & Maryland/Louisville). We're really arguing a situation where I'd think there should be some agreement.

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Yeah, well we saw what happened when certain ACC schools did catch wind of what was happening. They raised the exit fee in quick fashion to tax Maryland further so it seems that perhaps Maryland was wise in doing what they did as secretly as possible.

(01-23-2016 10:12 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Yeah, well we saw what happened when certain ACC schools did catch wind of what was happening. They raised the exit fee in quick fashion to tax Maryland further so it seems that perhaps Maryland was wise in doing what they did as secretly as possible.

Deceitfulness has a price. The folks at Maryland were lucky that a) they didn't have to pay the full amount and b) that the B1G was willing to make the payment for them.

BTW the stain of treachery will follow Maryland well into the future.

Who will lead and who will follow in the B1G?



http://www.insidethehall.com/2013/10/21/...d-rutgers/

From the link:

Quote:“I think the view of the conference is and the view of the commissioner is, we’re not going to go that way unless there is basically a consensus view that we should do that,” he said. “We’re not going to expand on a 7-to-5 vote or I guess now it’d be a 8-to-6 vote when those two new schools come in. It’s going to be pretty much everyone thinks this is a good idea.

“So I tell you all that because I think our role is pretty significant because I think it’s certainly possible that if everyone was for it and we were against it or if everyone was for it and Minnesota was against it or if everyone was for it and Penn State was against it, it may not happen. And certainly if two or three institutions were against an expansion, I don’t think it would happen.”

(01-23-2016 02:20 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Who will lead and who will follow in the B1G?



http://www.insidethehall.com/2013/10/21/...d-rutgers/

From the link:

Quote:“I think the view of the conference is and the view of the commissioner is, we’re not going to go that way unless there is basically a consensus view that we should do that,” he said. “We’re not going to expand on a 7-to-5 vote or I guess now it’d be a 8-to-6 vote when those two new schools come in. It’s going to be pretty much everyone thinks this is a good idea.

“So I tell you all that because I think our role is pretty significant because I think it’s certainly possible that if everyone was for it and we were against it or if everyone was for it and Minnesota was against it or if everyone was for it and Penn State was against it, it may not happen. And certainly if two or three institutions were against an expansion, I don’t think it would happen.”

2013?

(01-23-2016 12:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 10:12 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Yeah, well we saw what happened when certain ACC schools did catch wind of what was happening. They raised the exit fee in quick fashion to tax Maryland further so it seems that perhaps Maryland was wise in doing what they did as secretly as possible.

Deceitfulness has a price. The folks at Maryland were lucky that a) they didn't have to pay the full amount and b) that the B1G was willing to make the payment for them.

BTW the stain of treachery will follow Maryland well into the future.

You really want to get into a comparison of deceit? If I remember correctly, UNC has been in the news somewhat recently. What price is UNC paying?

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Oh please! They lied to us! daU, BC, Cuse, Pitt and ND all lied to their BE brethren. This is the business of big time sports.

(01-24-2016 02:31 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Oh please! They lied to us! daU, BC, Cuse, Pitt and ND all lied to their BE brethren. This is the business of big time sports.

And North Carolina's sins of lying are far worse, but yes, judge Maryland for wanting to join a superior conference.

(01-24-2016 02:31 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Oh please! They lied to us! daU, BC, Cuse, Pitt and ND all lied to their BE brethren. This is the business of big time sports.

Be sure to include Rutgers...as you guys have bragged the B1G thing has been in the works for years...makes that pledge to the Big East after Cuse and Pitt left somewhat suspect. Maryland's was on a whole nother level...though.

(01-24-2016 09:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 02:31 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Oh please! They lied to us! daU, BC, Cuse, Pitt and ND all lied to their BE brethren. This is the business of big time sports.

Be sure to include Rutgers...as you guys have bragged the B1G thing has been in the works for years...makes that pledge to the Big East after Cuse and Pitt left somewhat suspect. Maryland's was on a whole nother level...though.

Was it though? Maryland didn't kill a conference.

(01-24-2016 11:00 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 09:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 02:31 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...en_ex.html

No argument here. Even Nebraska fans would tell you that the football program has been a disappointment. Maryland is a basketball school and they have by far been the best competitive addition of the revenue sports since 2011.

On another not completely irrelevant train of thought... a lot of ink was spilled when the ACC replaced the Terps with Louisville about how much more superior Louisville was than Maryland. The only person that was vocally pissed not related to Maryland I can remember off the top of my head was Coach K. Apparently Coach K knew that Maryland was a more significant loss than was portrayed elsewhere. I'm not saying Louisville is garbage, quite the opposite but I think Maryland should receive their due.

Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Oh please! They lied to us! daU, BC, Cuse, Pitt and ND all lied to their BE brethren. This is the business of big time sports.

Be sure to include Rutgers...as you guys have bragged the B1G thing has been in the works for years...makes that pledge to the Big East after Cuse and Pitt left somewhat suspect. Maryland's was on a whole nother level...though.

Was it though? Maryland didn't kill a conference.

You missed the point...

(01-25-2016 10:15 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 11:00 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 09:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 02:31 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 09:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  Maryland and Dook had quite a basketball rivalry and I'm sure K misses it.

ACC folks are disappointed in the way that Maryland left. Their administrators had been in agreement with the rest of their conference mates in all of the ACC strategy sessions re: realignment. What we later learned is that they lied straight faced to the other ACC administrators as they secretly planned their move to the B1G.
So, it's not the fact that they left, but the fact that they broke a trust. The only other thing the ACC folks could have said as opposed to the positives about Louisville, was that the Maryland people were liars, and that wouldn't have played well in the press.

Oh please! They lied to us! daU, BC, Cuse, Pitt and ND all lied to their BE brethren. This is the business of big time sports.

Be sure to include Rutgers...as you guys have bragged the B1G thing has been in the works for years...makes that pledge to the Big East after Cuse and Pitt left somewhat suspect. Maryland's was on a whole nother level...though.

Was it though? Maryland didn't kill a conference.

You missed the point...

What? Your bashing of Maryland or bashing of the Big Ten earlier in the thread? Your bias is showing TM. You just want to claim stuff and talk crap as far as I'm concerned. Did Syracuse not break a trust? Are they more innocent than Maryland? Who was against the changes from the start? Business is business, you should be smart enough to know to keep it at that.