(01-16-2016 05:30 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There's another option...drop the whole confrerence down to FCS where you all belong anyways.

Well be sure they bring Tulane with them if we're assigning schools "where they belong"..
Your school is a freaking leech in the AAC, don't run your mouth about "unworthy* schools. You know what Tulane adds to the AAC? A punchline and easy wins for the rest of the conference

Jesus this is rich... you're the equivalent of a trailer park resident living on welfare complaining about poor people taking advantage of the government.

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It may be Liberty's chance to get to FBS since they are willing to pay.

CUSA can get 2 - 3 Million from Liberty to join. Create an option in Year 3 that CUSA or Liberty can decide Liberty moves to FBS Indy after 4 year. If NMSU gets booted from SB, they would be a good West Team with El Paso. Don't know if NMSU would be willing to pay though.

Maybe it's time for CUSA to form an alliance with Sunbelt. Technically operate as 2 separate coferences, but operate with 1 defined vision and 1 negotiating strategy and combined TV contracts.

Teams will be allowed to move between conferences without penalty, just a simply majority vote to approve will be necessary. Most likely will result an east-west split among conferences.

Well UTEP and Rice obviously contacted the MWC

(01-16-2016 06:49 PM)billings Wrote:  Well UTEP and Rice obviously contacted the MWC

Well obviously they didn't.

(01-16-2016 05:30 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There's another option...drop the whole confrerence down to FCS where you all belong anyways.

(01-16-2016 05:30 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There's another option...drop the whole confrerence down to FCS where you all belong anyways.

Going for the -100 rating with that one, eh?

Still confused how you aren't banned.

(01-16-2016 06:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 02:35 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 02:14 PM)theboro Wrote:  BS. If CUSA offered South, Sout would say yes. You know why? Because South would be worried that the next team we asked would say yes.

It's classic prisoner's dilemma and no school is going to trust the other schools to keep the story straight.

I asked this in another thread: Just what incentive is there for any Belt school to bolt for C-USA? I'm not bashing your conference but like it or not, things have changed greatly now.

Its still more money, more exposure, more prestige and a stronger conference in football and basketball. For the 4 western schools, its more regional rivals. For Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St., it would be re-joining the teams they were with until two years ago.

5 schools the rest were never in the Sunbelt

Who moved this thread from the CUSA board

(01-16-2016 06:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 02:35 PM)airtroop Wrote:  I asked this in another thread: Just what incentive is there for any Belt school to bolt for C-USA? I'm not bashing your conference but like it or not, things have changed greatly now.

Its still more money, more exposure, more prestige and a stronger conference in football and basketball. For the 4 western schools, its more regional rivals. For Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St., it would be re-joining the teams they were with until two years ago.

Is it though?

1. More money: From where?
Next CUSA TV contract is a reduction, from around $1.2M per year per school to maybe $700,000. So let's say a $500,000/year difference from TV.
CUSA and Sun Belt are both one-bid basketball leagues. No difference there. (Memphis' credits will be gone soon enough.)
CUSA has 7 bowls for 14 schools, Sun Belt has 4 for 12, but that could soon be 4 for 10. I don't see any current listing of bowl payouts, but let's say $500,000 per school for the CUSA and Sun Belt bowls. CUSA $3.5M/14 = $250,000, SBC $2M / 12 = $166,667.
So the revenue difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt has to be less than $1M per year per school.

2. More exposure?
The Sun Belt-ESPN contract is pretty terrible--a floor of 7 football and 4 basketball games a year on ESPN/2/U, plus the finals of the basketball tournament.
But CUSA's coverage on FS1 and CBS-SN is pretty terrible, and likely to get worse.

3. More prestige? Maybe. Are ODU, FIU, FAU and Charlotte more prestigious than App State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern and Troy? Hell if I know.

4. Stronger conference in football--CUSA had 5/14 in the Sagarin top 100, Sun Belt had 3/11. In basketball, they're both one-bid, 14-seed leagues--and it doesn't matter if Louisiana Tech would have been a #11 seed. A one-bid league is a one-bid league.

5. Veteran Sun Belt members rejoining their old Sun Belt buddies. Okay.

Is all that worth a $2M exit fee and a $2M entry fee? I'd say that the gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt is a lot smaller than it used to be.

What i would like to see long term is a split between cusa east and west. CUSA East absorbs App, Coastal, Ga St, and Ga Southern along with UAB from CUSA West

The remaining 6 teams in CUSA west absorb ULL, ULM, Troy, USA, Texas st, and Ark St

It could be done very easily without losing any automatic bids

(01-16-2016 02:35 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 02:14 PM)theboro Wrote:  BS. If CUSA offered South, Sout would say yes. You know why? Because South would be worried that the next team we asked would say yes.

It's classic prisoner's dilemma and no school is going to trust the other schools to keep the story straight.

I asked this in another thread: Just what incentive is there for any Belt school to bolt for C-USA? I'm not bashing your conference but like it or not, things have changed greatly now.

Texas State might leave to join a conference with the C-USA Texas schools if C_USA splits. That could free up a spot for a more favorable time in their footprint. Texas State is also like on an island right now as well.

(01-16-2016 05:30 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There's another option...drop the whole confrerence down to FCS where you all belong anyways.

You and David St are my idols.... Cheers!

(01-16-2016 08:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 06:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 02:35 PM)airtroop Wrote:  I asked this in another thread: Just what incentive is there for any Belt school to bolt for C-USA? I'm not bashing your conference but like it or not, things have changed greatly now.

Its still more money, more exposure, more prestige and a stronger conference in football and basketball. For the 4 western schools, its more regional rivals. For Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St., it would be re-joining the teams they were with until two years ago.

Is it though?

1. More money: From where?
Next CUSA TV contract is a reduction, from around $1.2M per year per school to maybe $700,000. So let's say a $500,000/year difference from TV.
CUSA and Sun Belt are both one-bid basketball leagues. No difference there. (Memphis' credits will be gone soon enough.)
CUSA has 7 bowls for 14 schools, Sun Belt has 4 for 12, but that could soon be 4 for 10. I don't see any current listing of bowl payouts, but let's say $500,000 per school for the CUSA and Sun Belt bowls. CUSA $3.5M/14 = $250,000, SBC $2M / 12 = $166,667.
So the revenue difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt has to be less than $1M per year per school.

2. More exposure?
The Sun Belt-ESPN contract is pretty terrible--a floor of 7 football and 4 basketball games a year on ESPN/2/U, plus the finals of the basketball tournament.
But CUSA's coverage on FS1 and CBS-SN is pretty terrible, and likely to get worse.

3. More prestige? Maybe. Are ODU, FIU, FAU and Charlotte more prestigious than App State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern and Troy? Hell if I know.

4. Stronger conference in football--CUSA had 5/14 in the Sagarin top 100, Sun Belt had 3/11. In basketball, they're both one-bid, 14-seed leagues--and it doesn't matter if Louisiana Tech would have been a #11 seed. A one-bid league is a one-bid league.

5. Veteran Sun Belt members rejoining their old Sun Belt buddies. Okay.

Is all that worth a $2M exit fee and a $2M entry fee? I'd say that the gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt is a lot smaller than it used to be.

I don't think reality has hit CUSA fans yet. They are no longer competing with the AAC and MWC. They are now struggling to stay ahead of the Sun Belt.

(01-16-2016 09:27 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 08:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 06:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 02:35 PM)airtroop Wrote:  I asked this in another thread: Just what incentive is there for any Belt school to bolt for C-USA? I'm not bashing your conference but like it or not, things have changed greatly now.

Its still more money, more exposure, more prestige and a stronger conference in football and basketball. For the 4 western schools, its more regional rivals. For Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St., it would be re-joining the teams they were with until two years ago.

Is it though?

1. More money: From where?
Next CUSA TV contract is a reduction, from around $1.2M per year per school to maybe $700,000. So let's say a $500,000/year difference from TV.
CUSA and Sun Belt are both one-bid basketball leagues. No difference there. (Memphis' credits will be gone soon enough.)
CUSA has 7 bowls for 14 schools, Sun Belt has 4 for 12, but that could soon be 4 for 10. I don't see any current listing of bowl payouts, but let's say $500,000 per school for the CUSA and Sun Belt bowls. CUSA $3.5M/14 = $250,000, SBC $2M / 12 = $166,667.
So the revenue difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt has to be less than $1M per year per school.

2. More exposure?
The Sun Belt-ESPN contract is pretty terrible--a floor of 7 football and 4 basketball games a year on ESPN/2/U, plus the finals of the basketball tournament.
But CUSA's coverage on FS1 and CBS-SN is pretty terrible, and likely to get worse.

3. More prestige? Maybe. Are ODU, FIU, FAU and Charlotte more prestigious than App State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern and Troy? Hell if I know.

4. Stronger conference in football--CUSA had 5/14 in the Sagarin top 100, Sun Belt had 3/11. In basketball, they're both one-bid, 14-seed leagues--and it doesn't matter if Louisiana Tech would have been a #11 seed. A one-bid league is a one-bid league.

5. Veteran Sun Belt members rejoining their old Sun Belt buddies. Okay.

Is all that worth a $2M exit fee and a $2M entry fee? I'd say that the gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt is a lot smaller than it used to be.

I don't think reality has hit CUSA fans yet. They are no longer competing with the AAC and MWC. They are now struggling to stay ahead of the Sun Belt.

Those conferences all know who they are.
MWC is the weakest part of the MWC + the WAC.
AAC is the old CUSA.
CUSA is the old Sun Belt.
Its just that the Sun Belt fans don't seem to realize they are mostly new move-ups from FCS. All but Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St. That's 6 of the 10 full members are new.

I don't see any MAC schools being interested in CUSA even more so with money actually being potentially worse now.

(01-16-2016 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:27 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 08:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 06:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 02:35 PM)airtroop Wrote:  I asked this in another thread: Just what incentive is there for any Belt school to bolt for C-USA? I'm not bashing your conference but like it or not, things have changed greatly now.

Its still more money, more exposure, more prestige and a stronger conference in football and basketball. For the 4 western schools, its more regional rivals. For Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St., it would be re-joining the teams they were with until two years ago.

Is it though?

1. More money: From where?
Next CUSA TV contract is a reduction, from around $1.2M per year per school to maybe $700,000. So let's say a $500,000/year difference from TV.
CUSA and Sun Belt are both one-bid basketball leagues. No difference there. (Memphis' credits will be gone soon enough.)
CUSA has 7 bowls for 14 schools, Sun Belt has 4 for 12, but that could soon be 4 for 10. I don't see any current listing of bowl payouts, but let's say $500,000 per school for the CUSA and Sun Belt bowls. CUSA $3.5M/14 = $250,000, SBC $2M / 12 = $166,667.
So the revenue difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt has to be less than $1M per year per school.

2. More exposure?
The Sun Belt-ESPN contract is pretty terrible--a floor of 7 football and 4 basketball games a year on ESPN/2/U, plus the finals of the basketball tournament.
But CUSA's coverage on FS1 and CBS-SN is pretty terrible, and likely to get worse.

3. More prestige? Maybe. Are ODU, FIU, FAU and Charlotte more prestigious than App State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern and Troy? Hell if I know.

4. Stronger conference in football--CUSA had 5/14 in the Sagarin top 100, Sun Belt had 3/11. In basketball, they're both one-bid, 14-seed leagues--and it doesn't matter if Louisiana Tech would have been a #11 seed. A one-bid league is a one-bid league.

5. Veteran Sun Belt members rejoining their old Sun Belt buddies. Okay.

Is all that worth a $2M exit fee and a $2M entry fee? I'd say that the gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt is a lot smaller than it used to be.

I don't think reality has hit CUSA fans yet. They are no longer competing with the AAC and MWC. They are now struggling to stay ahead of the Sun Belt.

Those conferences all know who they are.
MWC is the weakest part of the MWC + the WAC.
AAC is the old CUSA.
CUSA is the old Sun Belt.
Its just that the Sun Belt fans don't seem to realize they are mostly new move-ups from FCS. All but Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St. That's 6 of the 10 full members are new.

I agree. However, two of the Sunbelt's call ups were, and based on history will continue to be successful. This alone can help the Sunbelt, as no one knows yet what these two program's ceilings are.

(01-16-2016 09:46 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:27 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 08:27 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 06:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its still more money, more exposure, more prestige and a stronger conference in football and basketball. For the 4 western schools, its more regional rivals. For Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St., it would be re-joining the teams they were with until two years ago.

Is it though?

1. More money: From where?
Next CUSA TV contract is a reduction, from around $1.2M per year per school to maybe $700,000. So let's say a $500,000/year difference from TV.
CUSA and Sun Belt are both one-bid basketball leagues. No difference there. (Memphis' credits will be gone soon enough.)
CUSA has 7 bowls for 14 schools, Sun Belt has 4 for 12, but that could soon be 4 for 10. I don't see any current listing of bowl payouts, but let's say $500,000 per school for the CUSA and Sun Belt bowls. CUSA $3.5M/14 = $250,000, SBC $2M / 12 = $166,667.
So the revenue difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt has to be less than $1M per year per school.

2. More exposure?
The Sun Belt-ESPN contract is pretty terrible--a floor of 7 football and 4 basketball games a year on ESPN/2/U, plus the finals of the basketball tournament.
But CUSA's coverage on FS1 and CBS-SN is pretty terrible, and likely to get worse.

3. More prestige? Maybe. Are ODU, FIU, FAU and Charlotte more prestigious than App State, Georgia State, Georgia Southern and Troy? Hell if I know.

4. Stronger conference in football--CUSA had 5/14 in the Sagarin top 100, Sun Belt had 3/11. In basketball, they're both one-bid, 14-seed leagues--and it doesn't matter if Louisiana Tech would have been a #11 seed. A one-bid league is a one-bid league.

5. Veteran Sun Belt members rejoining their old Sun Belt buddies. Okay.

Is all that worth a $2M exit fee and a $2M entry fee? I'd say that the gap between CUSA and the Sun Belt is a lot smaller than it used to be.

I don't think reality has hit CUSA fans yet. They are no longer competing with the AAC and MWC. They are now struggling to stay ahead of the Sun Belt.

Those conferences all know who they are.
MWC is the weakest part of the MWC + the WAC.
AAC is the old CUSA.
CUSA is the old Sun Belt.
Its just that the Sun Belt fans don't seem to realize they are mostly new move-ups from FCS. All but Troy, ULM, ULL and Arkansas St. That's 6 of the 10 full members are new.

I agree. However, two of the Sunbelt's call ups were, and based on history will continue to be successful. This alone can help the Sunbelt, as no one knows yet what these two program's ceilings are.

It took about 10 years for the Sun Belt to finally catch up with the rest of the G5 conferences and then the next year it got raided. Often schools start off well while they still have transfers (don't know if that is the case for Ga Southern and App St.) from P5 schools and then struggle. More often they struggle right at the start.

It just takes a while to get the scholarship numbers up with FBS talent.

(01-16-2016 09:38 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  I don't see any MAC schools being interested in CUSA even more so with money actually being potentially worse now.

I agree.

(01-16-2016 09:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 05:30 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  There's another option...drop the whole confrerence down to FCS where you all belong anyways.

You and David St are my idols.... Cheers!

Yeah, but Tulane was thinking of shutting the football program down not too long ago. That is why Tulane can't say much on this issue until they make a complete change in their Athletic Department.

(01-16-2016 08:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  What i would like to see long term is a split between cusa east and west. CUSA East absorbs App, Coastal, Ga St, and Ga Southern along with UAB from CUSA West

The remaining 6 teams in CUSA west absorb ULL, ULM, Troy, USA, Texas st, and Ark St

It could be done very easily without losing any automatic bids

There's no compelling reason to do that. If the best anyone can come up with is "travel costs", that's not even close to being enough reason to shuffle all of those schools around.

Also: Why not keep the schools in Alabama in the "eastern" conference? Do you only like UAB and not the other two?

And convincing La Tech and ULM to be in the same conference would be a diplomatic feat worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize. It was only 3 years ago that La Tech decided it would rather play in no bowl game than in a bowl game where the organizers were going to force them to play ULM.