Not over yet..

http://m.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/john...l?mode=jqm


“We have been, as a group, looking at expansion, discussing expansion, and we have had outside consultants helping us look at what schools are the possible best fit,” Boren said. “So there are more than two out there that could be a good fit. There may be six or seven, and we could pick from that group the right two. We have to be very careful. We don’t want to go out and get Okefenokee A&M or something just to have a name."


“We’ll look at the fan base, we’ll look at the size of their programs, we’ll look at the academics of the institutions. We’ll look at them comprehensively as to which is the best fit. And also we’ll consider geography to a certain degree.”

Meh, just proves he can't break the Texas road block (UT, TCU, Baylor and Tech).

Enough with the whining, Boren. Sh!t or get off the pot.

Meanwhile, Ohio State just signed an apparel contract worth as much as the Big 1's base media disburment per year...hooray for income inequality hitting every facet of US life!

In this analogy, the B1G and the SEC are the crooked execs who will never get called out for their salaries and bonuses, the Big 12 is the middle class, we are the group that holds a job, has some manageable debt and a job good enough to pay our bills...and Conference USA is the dude getting his trailer hauled away by Cash Advance.

I agree... This expansion thang is far from over

Yup...it aint over.

To whichever of us gets picked: YOU DON'T DESERVE IT YOUR MARKET IS WORTHLESS NOBODY GOES TO YOUR GAMES WHYYYYYYYY

Pretty remarkable Boren gives a 30 minute interview to the Tulsa paper after releasing that written statement on the same topic.

He's clearly on the war path. Problem is, these types of negotiations aren't typically won in the press. Strange tactic unless there is an ulterior motive.

Doesn't matter what he says. The Big 12 is the Texas league and will do what UT wants. If UT leaves the Big12 is toast and other than OU the rest have little chance to land in a better place than where they are so they will follow UT

(01-15-2016 06:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Doesn't matter what he says. The Big 12 is the Texas league and will do what UT wants. If UT leaves the Big12 is toast and other than OU the rest have little chance to land in a better place than where they are so they will follow UT

That's my sense as well: Boren's public outburst is the exclamation of someone who can't win on the internal politics, which is that the Big 12 as a whole (meaning Texas) doesn't want expansion. He's huffing and puffing.

Also, objectively, it's hard to discern the logic of his case. Media and Bowl money? The Big 12 is doing very well, behind the SEC and B1G but ahead of the PAC and ACC. Structural position in the CFP? Solid P5 status. So it's difficult to argue that the Big 12 is in some weak "little brother" position vs the other P5 leagues. The only real possible flaw was the conundrum of needing to expand to have a CCG, and their commissioner just resolved that problem. No wonder his position hasn't been persuasive.

Most of the B12 Prez are like the old BE prez. They are looking at the $$ today, the heck with tomorrow. Boren is looking 5 to 10 years out and saying, Lets make this a more stable better place.

If the rest of the P5 stand pat for a few years, The B12 will be fine, and he is more and more likely to win out, as the TV deal gets closer.

Boren doesn't need Texas. He can take OU and OSU to the SEC anytime he wants.

(01-15-2016 12:40 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I agree... This expansion thang is far from over

It is until the big12s tv contract comes due to renegotiate...what's that, 2024? That's a long time.

(01-15-2016 05:43 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Pretty remarkable Boren gives a 30 minute interview to the Tulsa paper after releasing that written statement on the same topic.

He's clearly on the war path. Problem is, these types of negotiations aren't typically won in the press. Strange tactic unless there is an ulterior motive.

I think the motive is obvious and he's said as much. He wants Oklahoma to play under a certain setup. He would rather that happen in the B12. I believe they're likely to leave, but he's going to give them 1st, 2nd, and 3rd chance as publicly as possible to change their minds because ultimately they'd like to stay and still get the changes.

Say your order of preference is this....

1. B12 with 12 teams, ccg, divisions, tv net
2. Different conference, ccg, divisions, tv net
3. B12 with 10 teams, ccg
4. B12 with 10 teams, no ccg

His actions make sense then, right?

(01-15-2016 07:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 06:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Doesn't matter what he says. The Big 12 is the Texas league and will do what UT wants. If UT leaves the Big12 is toast and other than OU the rest have little chance to land in a better place than where they are so they will follow UT

That's my sense as well: Boren's public outburst is the exclamation of someone who can't win on the internal politics, which is that the Big 12 as a whole (meaning Texas) doesn't want expansion. He's huffing and puffing.

Also, objectively, it's hard to discern the logic of his case. Media and Bowl money? The Big 12 is doing very well, behind the SEC and B1G but ahead of the PAC and ACC. Structural position in the CFP? Solid P5 status. So it's difficult to argue that the Big 12 is in some weak "little brother" position vs the other P5 leagues. The only real possible flaw was the conundrum of needing to expand to have a CCG, and their commissioner just resolved that problem. No wonder his position hasn't been persuasive.

I think the Big 12 is toast even if OU leaves. Even without OU, the Big 12 would be more watered down. Texas may be big but don't underestimate the power OU has also. I think Boren also want to keep the Big 12 together and that he knows what needs to be done to get it stable for the long term and that is by expanding.
The TV execs would be quite besides themselves for the money they are offering the Big 12 if they didn't get to show the Red River Rivalry and a couple of games with OU and Texas. Texas only isn't going to do it.

why can't Oklahoma start the "sooner network" like Texas did?

2 of his 3 concerns could now be addressed....

(01-15-2016 12:25 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Meanwhile, Ohio State just signed an apparel contract worth as much as the Big 1's base media disburment per year...hooray for income inequality hitting every facet of US life!

In this analogy, the B1G and the SEC are the crooked execs who will never get called out for their salaries and bonuses, the Big 12 is the middle class, we are the group that holds a job, has some manageable debt and a job good enough to pay our bills...and Conference USA is the dude getting his trailer hauled away by Cash Advance.

#1 Ohio State is a valuable brand for apparel contracts. What the hell does that have to do with inequality. Do you want to share your apparel contracts with the MAC ohio schools? They have 95% of Ohio buying their logos.

#2. The SEC and Big 10 simply have more value so of course they get more money. TCU while good isn't a popular brand....same with the rest outside of Texas and Oklahoma.

#3. Most in the c-USA got a raise from sunbelt and recent fcs days. Many just started football and have zero fanbase. They are now getting playoff money and really just fcs teams.

Take life by the balls and don't expect the government to take care of you because it certainly doesn't ever make it down when the government starts the wealth distribution.

(01-15-2016 08:25 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Boren doesn't need Texas. He can take OU and OSU to the SEC anytime he wants.

Yes, indeed. And -- although it's a dicier negotiation than the SEC -- he could probably get OU and KU into B1G, as well.

So why is Boren so upset?

A: he doesn't want OU to be in the SEC, and he doesn't want OU to be in the B1G. He wants OU to remain in the Big <XII. Next, he wants the Big <XII to be as rich and powerful as the SEC and B1G. The essential problem is, that's not going to happen. It's not going to happen if the Big <XII expands and it's not going to happen if they don't expand. It's just not going to happen.

Whether it happens or not, dissecting this statement: “We’ll look at the fan base, we’ll look at the size of their programs, we’ll look at the academics of the institutions. We’ll look at them comprehensively as to which is the best fit. And also we’ll consider geography to a certain degree.”

I think Houston and Cincy are the two that on all criteria. Houston's only hitch possibly being the fan base, but in the Big12 I think that is a non issue. UCONN is Houston's competition IMO, with geography being the biggest hurdle. Also, I'm going to assume that if BYU were in the mix, their coach would not have ditched them for UVA... Also do not think BSU is in the mix either as they'll look east and to the AAC...

USF misses on program size and fan base
UCF misses on program size and academics
ECU see UCF
Memphis misses on academics
Temple misses on fan base
Tulane missed on fan base and program size