They supported this motion for a reason. Why wouldn't they just go to 20 schools with two football "conferences", each holding a championship game. Add 6 schools and get a CCG and a better shot at two teams in the CFB. The SEC and B1G could dissolve the ACC cooperatively to get there while picking up KU/OU from the BigXii.

B1G West: OU, KU, NEB, Iowa,UMN, Wisconsin, NW, ILL, IU, PU
B1G East: Mich, MSU, OSU, PSU, RU, UMD, UVA, UNC, Duke, GT

SEC West: A&M, Ark, Mizzou, LSU, Miss, MSU, Aub, Ala, UGA, FLA
SEC East: Vandy, UT, FSU, Clem, KY, SCar, NCST, VT, WVU, Pitt

Basketball stays as a single conference of 20 schools each.

Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

1. 20 team conferences are stupid

2. there are already teams in those conferences that are not happy about seeing other conference members come through their stajium for a football game every 6 or 8 years

3. contrary to popular belief and now a proven fact TV partners do not simply give money to conferences for adding more teams......boren can say that all he wants about the Big 12 and the Big 12 may have that in THEIr contracts, but we know for a fact after SEC diarrhea of the mouth clay travis had to admit that CBS gave the SEC nothing for adding A&M and MU and there has never been a credible report that ESPN gave the SEC more money for the existing tier 2 deal for adding MU and A&M.....the network was for new content that was formerly sold individually by each school so that was not new money for tier 2 content ESPN already owned

4. the lawsuits for adding some of these teams and the existing 3rd tier and other contracts are not simply going to go away because some conference wants to make the mistake of growing to the point that half of their members will be looking to break away in a year or two

5. the only thing that sucks worse than 9 conference games is 9 conference games in half of a 20 team conference that is really two conferences stuck together

6. being dumb enough to cut the number of available NCAA Olympic auto bids in half is just stupid

(01-14-2016 03:56 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

this is your Q davidst

PS mix in a generous portion of D1-AA and sprinkle in plenty of DIII teams as well

(01-14-2016 03:56 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

Why not? Why not have a single P5 entity akin to the NFL with leagues and divisions? This is the model used by pro sports because it maximizes revenue. This rule change definitely makes the next step to mega conferences much easier with the ability to add CCGs with only small additions of schools. Also, why pay the NCAA for a playoff when you can have a four school final between the B1G and SEC champs? The conferences and schools can get a bigger payday by going one step bigger organizationally.

(01-14-2016 04:16 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 03:56 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

Why not? Why not have a single P5 entity akin to the NFL with leagues and divisions? This is the model used by pro sports because it maximizes revenue. This rule change definitely makes the next step to mega conferences much easier with the ability to add CCGs with only small additions of schools. Also, why pay the NCAA for a playoff when you can have a four school final between the B1G and SEC champs? The conferences and schools can get a bigger payday by going one step bigger organizationally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Bo...f_Oklahoma

(01-14-2016 04:02 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  1. 20 team conferences are stupid

2. there are already teams in those conferences that are not happy about seeing other conference members come through their stajium for a football game every 6 or 8 years

3. contrary to popular belief and now a proven fact TV partners do not simply give money to conferences for adding more teams......boren can say that all he wants about the Big 12 and the Big 12 may have that in THEIr contracts, but we know for a fact after SEC diarrhea of the mouth clay travis had to admit that CBS gave the SEC nothing for adding A&M and MU and there has never been a credible report that ESPN gave the SEC more money for the existing tier 2 deal for adding MU and A&M.....the network was for new content that was formerly sold individually by each school so that was not new money for tier 2 content ESPN already owned

4. the lawsuits for adding some of these teams and the existing 3rd tier and other contracts are not simply going to go away because some conference wants to make the mistake of growing to the point that half of their members will be looking to break away in a year or two

5. the only thing that sucks worse than 9 conference games is 9 conference games in half of a 20 team conference that is really two conferences stuck together

6. being dumb enough to cut the number of available NCAA Olympic auto bids in half is just stupid

Not that im in favor of 20 team conferences but its easy to schedule that many and teams play each other more frequently than that.

Four divisions of five teams each. Division A plays its division of 4 teams then a rotation of the other divisions. So year 1 they would play division B, then the following year division C then D. Youd play everyone in your conference every 3 years. With 16 its even better because you can play at least one team from each division every season.

(01-14-2016 04:19 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:16 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 03:56 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

Why not? Why not have a single P5 entity akin to the NFL with leagues and divisions? This is the model used by pro sports because it maximizes revenue. This rule change definitely makes the next step to mega conferences much easier with the ability to add CCGs with only small additions of schools. Also, why pay the NCAA for a playoff when you can have a four school final between the B1G and SEC champs? The conferences and schools can get a bigger payday by going one step bigger organizationally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Bo...f_Oklahoma

I don't think a P5 network would stop other schools from playing P5 schools the way the old NCAA contract prohibited non-contracted teams from even participating in college football. It would be hard to argue antitrust when contracted schools occasionally play on a competing network. It would be even harder if the SEC and B1G remained separate competing entities.

(01-14-2016 04:16 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 03:56 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

Why not? Why not have a single P5 entity akin to the NFL with leagues and divisions? This is the model used by pro sports because it maximizes revenue. This rule change definitely makes the next step to mega conferences much easier with the ability to add CCGs with only small additions of schools. Also, why pay the NCAA for a playoff when you can have a four school final between the B1G and SEC champs? The conferences and schools can get a bigger payday by going one step bigger organizationally.

If you really want to go that route, cull out the "top" 32 schools (Texas, Michigan, Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Ohio State, FSU, etc..), put them in the same organization and mandate that they must play only fellow schools and no others.

Then you have equal scheduling strength and games against each other to prove the best teams, head to head.

Thereafter, you have arrived at the stated goal in your first sentence, a single P5 entity akin to the NFL.

Create division champs and wild cards, just like the NFL. Make that the model for the 32 school football playoff games.

Carve that entity out of the NCAA and leave everyone else behind.

Negotiate the new TV contract as a single, 32 school entity. Make it with one network.

That will maximize revenues for those 32 schools' athletic departments.

That's obviously the most cost effective option for football only, and I don't see any reason why this isn't a possibility other than college football needing a few extra teams to compensate for having several big CFB teams like Alabama outside of population centers. People want to pretend that the end game is something other than money. Maybe Olympic sports are considered in the equation, and the sweet spot ends up being bigger than 30ish to minimize travel/operational costs for non-revenue sports. But the sweet spot is probably a lot closer to 40 than 80, and rooting for a school outside that 40 doesn't change the reality.

Sixteen teams allows for new infrastructures to be put in place but with four less mouths to feed. There isn't much point in expanding straight to 20 unless you absolutely have to. That was the case when The Big Ten was trying hard to get North Carolina and Virginia. Even with that offer on the table, the schools balked. The concept of 20 teams truly isn't all that appealing to all sides in this. Many of them don't even really want to go to 16, they didn't like going to 14 but they see what all will be possible at 16 so they are sucking it up.

You have to show a whole lot more value to get them to even fathom going to 20 at this point.

If you want to talk about a conference going to 20 though, talk about The AAC.

Lmao

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The difference is 20 gets you a second conference championship game and a second conference champ. If the SEC and B1G both went to 20, the ACC would be dead and the BigXii diminished at minimum (depending on whether or not UT responds by going Indy). That results in a new P5: the SEC East (10), the SEC West (10), the B1G East (10), the B1G West (10), and the PAC(12). The remnants of the ACC and BigXii would essentially reform as an eastern and western midmajor conference respectively.

(01-14-2016 05:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:16 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 03:56 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

Why not? Why not have a single P5 entity akin to the NFL with leagues and divisions? This is the model used by pro sports because it maximizes revenue. This rule change definitely makes the next step to mega conferences much easier with the ability to add CCGs with only small additions of schools. Also, why pay the NCAA for a playoff when you can have a four school final between the B1G and SEC champs? The conferences and schools can get a bigger payday by going one step bigger organizationally.

If you really want to go that route, cull out the "top" 32 schools (Texas, Michigan, Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Ohio State, FSU, etc..), put them in the same organization and mandate that they must play only fellow schools and no others.

Then you have equal scheduling strength and games against each other to prove the best teams, head to head.

Thereafter, you have arrived at the stated goal in your first sentence, a single P5 entity akin to the NFL.

Create division champs and wild cards, just like the NFL. Make that the model for the 32 school football playoff games.

Carve that entity out of the NCAA and leave everyone else behind.

Negotiate the new TV contract as a single, 32 school entity. Make it with one network.

That will maximize revenues for those 32 schools' athletic departments.

You do need to elevate some schools to be P5. Colorado/Colorado State, Arizona/Ne Mexico and so forth to keep local rivalries going.

(01-14-2016 07:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 05:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:16 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 03:56 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

Why not? Why not have a single P5 entity akin to the NFL with leagues and divisions? This is the model used by pro sports because it maximizes revenue. This rule change definitely makes the next step to mega conferences much easier with the ability to add CCGs with only small additions of schools. Also, why pay the NCAA for a playoff when you can have a four school final between the B1G and SEC champs? The conferences and schools can get a bigger payday by going one step bigger organizationally.

If you really want to go that route, cull out the "top" 32 schools (Texas, Michigan, Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Ohio State, FSU, etc..), put them in the same organization and mandate that they must play only fellow schools and no others.

Then you have equal scheduling strength and games against each other to prove the best teams, head to head.

Thereafter, you have arrived at the stated goal in your first sentence, a single P5 entity akin to the NFL.

Create division champs and wild cards, just like the NFL. Make that the model for the 32 school football playoff games.

Carve that entity out of the NCAA and leave everyone else behind.

Negotiate the new TV contract as a single, 32 school entity. Make it with one network.

That will maximize revenues for those 32 schools' athletic departments.

You do need to elevate some schools to be P5. Colorado/Colorado State, Arizona/Ne Mexico and so forth to keep local rivalries going.

No, this really does not need to happen at all.

(01-14-2016 04:44 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:19 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:16 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 03:56 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Why stop at 20? Go to 60 each and then you pretty much have all of FBS covered.

Why not? Why not have a single P5 entity akin to the NFL with leagues and divisions? This is the model used by pro sports because it maximizes revenue. This rule change definitely makes the next step to mega conferences much easier with the ability to add CCGs with only small additions of schools. Also, why pay the NCAA for a playoff when you can have a four school final between the B1G and SEC champs? The conferences and schools can get a bigger payday by going one step bigger organizationally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Bo...f_Oklahoma

I don't think a P5 network would stop other schools from playing P5 schools the way the old NCAA contract prohibited non-contracted teams from even participating in college football. It would be hard to argue antitrust when contracted schools occasionally play on a competing network. It would be even harder if the SEC and B1G remained separate competing entities.

but the lawsuit was not about "anti trust" it was about OU and Georgia (the ones in the suit) having the ability to control their media rights instead of being a part of the CFA because OU and Georgia and others were tried of teams like north Texas state with their 20 fans and games no one wanted to see and zero investment in their program getting an equal share of money for basically existing

the anti trust aspect was just a means to break the CFA and allow conferences to form and make their own TV deals

going back to 32 or 64 or whatever # of teams all crammed together is not what was wanted they had that and sued to break it

(01-14-2016 04:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:02 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  1. 20 team conferences are stupid

2. there are already teams in those conferences that are not happy about seeing other conference members come through their stajium for a football game every 6 or 8 years

3. contrary to popular belief and now a proven fact TV partners do not simply give money to conferences for adding more teams......boren can say that all he wants about the Big 12 and the Big 12 may have that in THEIr contracts, but we know for a fact after SEC diarrhea of the mouth clay travis had to admit that CBS gave the SEC nothing for adding A&M and MU and there has never been a credible report that ESPN gave the SEC more money for the existing tier 2 deal for adding MU and A&M.....the network was for new content that was formerly sold individually by each school so that was not new money for tier 2 content ESPN already owned

4. the lawsuits for adding some of these teams and the existing 3rd tier and other contracts are not simply going to go away because some conference wants to make the mistake of growing to the point that half of their members will be looking to break away in a year or two

5. the only thing that sucks worse than 9 conference games is 9 conference games in half of a 20 team conference that is really two conferences stuck together

6. being dumb enough to cut the number of available NCAA Olympic auto bids in half is just stupid

Not that im in favor of 20 team conferences but its easy to schedule that many and teams play each other more frequently than that.

Four divisions of five teams each. Division A plays its division of 4 teams then a rotation of the other divisions. So year 1 they would play division B, then the following year division C then D. Youd play everyone in your conference every 3 years. With 16 its even better because you can play at least one team from each division every season.

1. pods are stupid

2. there is no way to get around the math of how frequently individual teams play each other in a conference with X number of members no matter if it is in divisions or pods unless you have teams with fixed rivals and then pods are even more stupid

3. pods lead to some teams having a very different strength of schedule in their conference games Vs others in a different pod

4. perhaps you missed the news where to have a CCG you have to have division winners that play a divisional round robin so pods become even more dumb then

Do away with the current conferences and set up divisions like the NFL...

Split it EAST/WEST (similar to AFC/NFC) and have a North/South/East/West division with 16 teams each.

The East Conference and the West Conference have their own playoff to figure out the champion of the conference, then the east/west conference champions play each other.

The Division with the champion in it gets the most money, division with the runner-up gets the second most. The rest of the money is split between the other divisions based off their performance against other teams, TV time, etc.

I've been saying this for a while but I think that the B10 poached FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, Duke, UVA and create 4 pods that play a rotating 9 game schedule. The team with the best record plays in their championship game. The SEC would poach NCST,VT,OU,OSU(or KU).

(01-14-2016 03:52 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  They supported this motion for a reason. Why wouldn't they just go to 20 schools with two football "conferences", each holding a championship game. Add 6 schools and get a CCG and a better shot at two teams in the CFB. The SEC and B1G could dissolve the ACC cooperatively to get there while picking up KU/OU from the BigXii.

B1G West: OU, KU, NEB, Iowa,UMN, Wisconsin, NW, ILL, IU, PU
B1G East: Mich, MSU, OSU, PSU, RU, UMD, UVA, UNC, Duke, GT

SEC West: A&M, Ark, Mizzou, LSU, Miss, MSU, Aub, Ala, UGA, FLA
SEC East: Vandy, UT, FSU, Clem, KY, SCar, NCST, VT, WVU, Pitt

Basketball stays as a single conference of 20 schools each.

I could see the SEC adding texas, clemson, fsu and gatech.

The rest...no fricking way. Lol


Wht not just the same 10 or 20 schools over and over again. Move them different places each year. Call ithe super semi final national global intergalactic championship and hype it all year long. A commitee could decide what teams. One caveat...gotta include notre dame and watch them get blown out...just because.