(01-14-2016 12:11 AM)EddieThePirate Wrote:  All, let me start this off by saying that the point of this discussion is not to "name" the Teams that should be shown the door, but to discuss if the decision to move to 10 Teams is in the best interest of the Conference. Who those two teams is not "the topic", so please don't throw names out. It just will result is a Moderator locking the thread.

Is going to 10 Teams the best financial decision for the AAC? What do you say?

Deregulation of the Championship game is an opportunity the AAC should embrace. Why do WE have 12 members again?.....those were the rules at the time and a commonly accepted notion in the era of modern day college football (The minimum number of Teams needed for a Conference is 12). Seems the new number is "10".

The AAC should use the years left on its ESPN contract to determine which two teams get "voted off the Island". If your Team is consistently noncompetitive, You fail to meet meaningful attendance requirements, your TV ratings are the lowest on a regular basis....You got to go, no hard feelings.

Do you REALLY believe ESPN would reduce our contract because we discharged the two bottom teams? Those two bottom teams, whoever they are, are not moving the needle when it comes to TV $$$...plus or minus. They are however counted in a denominator for a simple math-problem. We need to reduce the denominator in the math equation.

As an alumni and fan of the only school ever kicked out of a major conference, I disagree with the idea of kicking any American team out. Winning and losing are typically cyclical and not a reason for booting a school.

I wouldn't kick anybody out but at least you won't need to backfill again and can still hold a CCG with 10 teams.

(01-14-2016 12:47 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Sticking at 10 would be good IF we got poached. What we have right now seems to be working even with wild fluctuations in who is getting the results. Why would you **** up a working formula?

Depends which 2 were poached....

People need to really stop with the Tulane bashing. We were suffering with a totally incompetent president and AD, both of whom still had Katrina PTSD.

We have a new FBall facility, state of the art Bball practice facility, $10mm into the Bball arena and early plans for a new Athletics Village. We added new athlete friendly majors and now have an AD who demands success. We just made what has been argued as one of the best hires for FBall for this year and will soon have a new Bball coach hired by a guy who oversaw (Northern Iowa) one of the best mid major programs in the nation. We offer AAC fans the best away trip in the conference and a great college FBall market if we could ever get our act together. We are still building up the talent level to AAC level and things are looking up. I agree we need to be better, give us a few more years before talk about pulling the plug.

(01-14-2016 03:37 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  People need to really stop with the Tulane bashing. We were suffering with a totally incompetent president and AD, both of whom still had Katrina PTSD.

We have a new FBall facility, state of the art Bball practice facility, $10mm into the Bball arena and early plans for a new Athletics Village. We added new athlete friendly majors and now have an AD who demands success. We just made what has been argued as one of the best hires for FBall for this year and will soon have a new Bball coach hired by a guy who oversaw (Northern Iowa) one of the best mid major programs in the nation. We offer AAC fans the best away trip in the conference and a great college FBall market if we could ever get our act together. We are still building up the talent level to AAC level and things are looking up. I agree we need to be better, give us a few more years before talk about pulling the plug.

1. No one is "pulling the plug" as a conference member.
2. I'm tired of hearing the Tulane/Tulsa junk also, but from 1st hand experience, it only slows down when you win....and then it doesn't stop from the kids.

Tulane is going nowhere, if we left then then the AAC would take a huge hit on academics and markets. We would probably be one of the last schools to kicked out. I can think of several other schools that do not belong in this conference that should go though.

(01-14-2016 05:06 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  Tulane is going nowhere, if we left then then the AAC would take a huge hit on academics and markets. We would probably be one of the last schools to kicked out. I can think of several other schools that do not belong in this conference that should go though.

Oh? Like who, GreenWaveOfVomitus16? (That should be your new name since all you spew is verbal puke. But seriously, I'd love to know which schools you'd love to see get kicked out of here.)

(01-14-2016 01:53 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 12:11 AM)EddieThePirate Wrote:  All, let me start this off by saying that the point of this discussion is not to "name" the Teams that should be shown the door, but to discuss if the decision to move to 10 Teams is in the best interest of the Conference. Who those two teams is not "the topic", so please don't throw names out. It just will result is a Moderator locking the thread.

Is going to 10 Teams the best financial decision for the AAC? What do you say?

Deregulation of the Championship game is an opportunity the AAC should embrace. Why do WE have 12 members again?.....those were the rules at the time and a commonly accepted notion in the era of modern day college football (The minimum number of Teams needed for a Conference is 12). Seems the new number is "10".

The AAC should use the years left on its ESPN contract to determine which two teams get "voted off the Island". If your Team is consistently noncompetitive, You fail to meet meaningful attendance requirements, your TV ratings are the lowest on a regular basis....You got to go, no hard feelings.

Do you REALLY believe ESPN would reduce our contract because we discharged the two bottom teams? Those two bottom teams, whoever they are, are not moving the needle when it comes to TV $$$...plus or minus. They are however counted in a denominator for a simple math-problem. We need to reduce the denominator in the math equation.

As an alumni and fan of the only school ever kicked out of a major conference, I disagree with the idea of kicking any American team out. Winning and losing are typically cyclical and not a reason for booting a school.

Right, but markets and fan support aren't. There are some schools in our conference that bring neither, in which case I think we need to move on. We can't be dragging around schools that drag down our pay and drag down our attendance.

(01-14-2016 03:37 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  People need to really stop with the Tulane bashing. We were suffering with a totally incompetent president and AD, both of whom still had Katrina PTSD.

We have a new FBall facility, state of the art Bball practice facility, $10mm into the Bball arena and early plans for a new Athletics Village. We added new athlete friendly majors and now have an AD who demands success. We just made what has been argued as one of the best hires for FBall for this year and will soon have a new Bball coach hired by a guy who oversaw (Northern Iowa) one of the best mid major programs in the nation. We offer AAC fans the best away trip in the conference and a great college FBall market if we could ever get our act together. We are still building up the talent level to AAC level and things are looking up. I agree we need to be better, give us a few more years before talk about pulling the plug.

Agreed. Tulane bashing is unproductive.

But, do you agree with showing two members the door at the end of the current ESPN contract...who ever they are....if over the entire length of the contract they proved to be the bottom two?

Again, the measurements would be "the real stuff" that matters (Meaningful attendance levels, TV ratings, competitiveness).

(01-14-2016 05:06 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  Tulane is going nowhere, if we left then then the AAC would take a huge hit on academics and markets. We would probably be one of the last schools to kicked out. I can think of several other schools that do not belong in this conference that should go though.

No one bite on this guy's bait - please.

(01-14-2016 05:06 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  Tulane is going nowhere, if we left then then the AAC would take a huge hit on academics and markets. We would probably be one of the last schools to kicked out. I can think of several other schools that do not belong in this conference that should go though.

Please....explain. How are academics (which is not relevant to being successful in CFB, and securing an obscene amount of money via a TV Contract), and a market you don't deliver (because your TV rating are trash) huge hits?

If at the end of the day the only thing a Conference Member who is not meeting attendance requirements, has sad TV ratings and is not competitive on the field can say is "but we have great academics and a market we don't deliver"...What should the rest of the conference members do? Accept that? I say no....you got to go. You had six years to show us what you had, and its not good enough. Bye....

We are a 200 rpi basketball program that didn't make a bowl last year. I don't think we are in a position to be questioning who should get tossed from the league. For all we know Montgomery could be a flop and we're about to hit a decade of mediocrity. It's all well and good to be making bold statements but conferences are more than just the bottom line. They are about institutionally like minded groups moving in a unified direction. If the other presidents feel like Tulane is the correct ideological fit then they can stay even if they are just a way to make the ACC seem competitive in OOC football contests with us. Tulane's academics are something we should be proud to be affiliated with. They are a well known brand and ECU benefits by association with them (as well as other schools in the conference). We all have our warts but it isn't like Tulane isn't being proactive and investing in new facilities and hiring new coaches when the old ones aren't getting it done.

(01-14-2016 06:19 PM)EddieThePirate Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 05:06 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  Tulane is going nowhere, if we left then then the AAC would take a huge hit on academics and markets. We would probably be one of the last schools to kicked out. I can think of several other schools that do not belong in this conference that should go though.

Please....explain. How are academics (which is not relevant to being successful in CFB, and securing an obscene amount of money via a TV Contract), and a market you don't deliver (because your TV rating are trash) huge hits?

While I understand why you might wish that institutions and academics and research didn't matter to a league, if you really believe that, you haven't been paying a lick of attention to the landscape. Thy matter a lot. There is no way the presidents are kicking out the league's only AAU school (or anyone else). While I don't subscribe to 16's nonsense, you should be careful what you wish for re kicking out institutions that don't fit. As it is, Tulane made the NCAAs last year in sports 3 and 4.
Kicking any team out is silly.

(01-14-2016 06:38 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  We are a 200 rpi basketball program that didn't make a bowl last year. I don't think we are in a position to be questioning who should get tossed from the league. For all we know Montgomery could be a flop and we're about to hit a decade of mediocrity. It's all well and good to be making bold statements but conferences are more than just the bottom line. They are about institutionally like minded groups moving in a unified direction. If the other presidents feel like Tulane is the correct ideological fit then they can stay even if they are just a way to make the ACC seem competitive in OOC football contests with us. Tulane's academics are something we should be proud to be affiliated with. They are a well known brand and ECU benefits by association with them (as well as other schools in the conference). We all have our warts but it isn't like Tulane isn't being proactive and investing in new facilities and hiring new coaches when the old ones aren't getting it done.

Read the original Post. No one is questioning "Who" should be tossed. The conversation is, "should" someone get tossed. There is no reason to mention Tulane, or anyone else. The "who" is not important.

Now that that is cleared up.....ECBrad, do you think we should reduce the conference by two? Again, no need to mention a name.

(01-14-2016 06:52 PM)EddieThePirate Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 06:38 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  We are a 200 rpi basketball program that didn't make a bowl last year. I don't think we are in a position to be questioning who should get tossed from the league. For all we know Montgomery could be a flop and we're about to hit a decade of mediocrity. It's all well and good to be making bold statements but conferences are more than just the bottom line. They are about institutionally like minded groups moving in a unified direction. If the other presidents feel like Tulane is the correct ideological fit then they can stay even if they are just a way to make the ACC seem competitive in OOC football contests with us. Tulane's academics are something we should be proud to be affiliated with. They are a well known brand and ECU benefits by association with them (as well as other schools in the conference). We all have our warts but it isn't like Tulane isn't being proactive and investing in new facilities and hiring new coaches when the old ones aren't getting it done.

Read the original Post. No one is questioning "Who" should be tossed. The conversation is, "should" someone get tossed. There is no reason to mention Tulane, or anyone else. The "who" is not important.

Now that that is cleared up.....ECBrad, do you think we should reduce the conference by two? Again, no need to mention a name.

No, we have a conference that seems to be functioning well in football and I don't see the benefit in messing that up. Even the cellar dwellers can be beneficial in that they help a winning team build momentum and confidence. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Tulane is a great school and is an excellent member of the AAC.

Tulane also gave us Savacool and somethingsomething16