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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
There's another way of looking at this that may support the AAC's no vote.
Since a conference can split into "Equal Divisions" and play "Round-Robin" within those divisions to receive a championship game. This opens up the option of having "3 Equal Divisions" and having a championship game with the "Top 2 Teams". Thus triggering expansion to 15 team conferences.
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
Very interesting votes in the end. The ACC did not get what it wanted and didn't feel the need to vote for it just to help out the Big 12 (although they also knew it would pass so might have voted differently otherwise). The American is the interesting one. I can imagine various voices pushing against it, but figured most in the conference would be for it as this reduces the Big 12's chances of expanding. While the most likely expansion candidates would obviously feel different, I figured the conference vote would go the other way.
My guess is that the American felt realignment wasn't coming regardless and voted mostly based on the fact they just expanded to 12 for one and didn't feel others should be able to avoid the same thing.
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:22 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: There's another way of looking at this that may support the AAC's no vote.
Since a conference can split into "Equal Divisions" and play "Round-Robin" within those divisions to receive a championship game. This opens up the option of having "3 Equal Divisions" and having a championship game with the "Top 2 Teams". Thus triggering expansion to 15 team conferences.
No, the proposal that passed specified "two" equal divisions.
The AAC voted against because most AAC schools, like USF, see themselves as Big 12 expansion targets.
(This post was last modified: 01-13-2016 09:33 PM by quo vadis.)
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:26 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: Very interesting votes in the end. The ACC did not get what it wanted and didn't feel the need to vote for it just to help out the Big 12 (although they also knew it would pass so might have voted differently otherwise). The American is the interesting one. I can imagine various voices pushing against it, but figured most in the conference would be for it as this reduces the Big 12's chances of expanding. While the most likely expansion candidates would obviously feel different, I figured the conference vote would go the other way.
My guess is that the American felt realignment wasn't coming regardless and voted mostly based on the fact they just expanded to 12 for one and didn't feel others should be able to avoid the same thing.
In terms of the American, I think the "no" vote demonstrates which members have the most sway/power within the conference. Coincidence that the 3 most talked about AAC candidates these past few weeks (Houston, Cincinnati, and UCONN) are also part of the TV contract tier 1 schools (Temple is the other)...?
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:22 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: There's another way of looking at this that may support the AAC's no vote.
Since a conference can split into "Equal Divisions" and play "Round-Robin" within those divisions to receive a championship game. This opens up the option of having "3 Equal Divisions" and having a championship game with the "Top 2 Teams". Thus triggering expansion to 15 team conferences.
No, the proposal that passed specified "two" equal divisions.
The AAC voted against because most AAC schools, like USF, see themselves as Big 12 expansion targets.
Link please. I read "With 10 team and playing a complete round-Robin schedule you can have a championship game and 12 or more members broken into equal divisions. I did not see a numerical attachment to said number of divisions.
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:22 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: There's another way of looking at this that may support the AAC's no vote.
Since a conference can split into "Equal Divisions" and play "Round-Robin" within those divisions to receive a championship game. This opens up the option of having "3 Equal Divisions" and having a championship game with the "Top 2 Teams". Thus triggering expansion to 15 team conferences.
No, the proposal that passed specified "two" equal divisions.
The AAC voted against because most AAC schools, like USF, see themselves as Big 12 expansion targets.
Link please. I read "With 10 team and playing a complete round-Robin schedule you can have a championship game and 12 or more members broken into equal divisions. I did not see a numerical attachment to said number of divisions.
From the Big 12's statement, here is what passed today:
"The following was adopted with the Council's vote:
One conference championship football game conducted in either of the following ways:
i) A game between division champions of a member conference that is divided into two divisions (as equally balanced as possible), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division; or,
ii) A game between the top two teams in the conference standings following a full round-robin regular-season schedule of competition among all members of the conference."
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Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote: (01-13-2016 07:55 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: (01-13-2016 07:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote: The question is Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could be very unhappy, and could leave. Those 3 are the power horses in football right now with the fan support. The ACC schools will turn their nose up at the Big 12 because of the Longhorns Network.
Duke, Wake Forest and Miami do not have a chance in the other P5 conferences because of the lack of fan support.
As for the Big 12? The schools are not happy about the Longhorns Network. This voting went in favor of Texas, and not for the other schools. Bowlsby is a paid shill for Texas. I am seeing some internal issues in the Big 12 right now, and most of the blame is landing at the feet of Texas and with Bowlsby.
Of course, there is ZERO evidence that any of these schools are unhappy. ZERO. I would put this idle speculation in the same camp as those posters who a few years ago were predicting that the ACC would seldom see the CFP playoffs, much less a NC game.
There was talk that those three could have gone to the Big 12 before Maryland left for the Big 10. ACC does have a problem for football product that is hurting them for an ACC Network. How much money will the Big 10 and SEC will dangle at the top teams to leave?
Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Syracuse and Oklahoma to the Big 10.
NC State, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Kansas to the SEC.
Louisville, East Carolina, USF, Memphis, UCF and Houston to the Big 12.
ACC would be left with Duke, Wake Forest, Miami, Boston College, Pittsburgh are still left. They could add Old Dominion, Tulane, Temple, Navy, Marshall, U. Mass., UAB, Southern Miss.
Yes, there was "talk" about that.....just that...."talk".... Mostly fueled by bloggers with an agenda. How did it all turn out? Yes, idle speculation.
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:22 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: There's another way of looking at this that may support the AAC's no vote.
Since a conference can split into "Equal Divisions" and play "Round-Robin" within those divisions to receive a championship game. This opens up the option of having "3 Equal Divisions" and having a championship game with the "Top 2 Teams". Thus triggering expansion to 15 team conferences.
No, the proposal that passed specified "two" equal divisions.
The AAC voted against because most AAC schools, like USF, see themselves as Big 12 expansion targets.
Link please. I read "With 10 team and playing a complete round-Robin schedule you can have a championship game and 12 or more members broken into equal divisions. I did not see a numerical attachment to said number of divisions.
From the Big 12's statement, here is what passed today:
"The following was adopted with the Council's vote:
One conference championship football game conducted in either of the following ways:
i) A game between division champions of a member conference that is divided into two divisions (as equally balanced as possible), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division; or,
ii) A game between the top two teams in the conference standings following a full round-robin regular-season schedule of competition among all members of the conference."
Is there a link to the passed Proposal which is now a new regulation? I want to see the exact verbiage used. Nothing is ever settled until it's in print and notarized.
(This post was last modified: 01-13-2016 09:55 PM by Mestophalies.)
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:22 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: There's another way of looking at this that may support the AAC's no vote.
Since a conference can split into "Equal Divisions" and play "Round-Robin" within those divisions to receive a championship game. This opens up the option of having "3 Equal Divisions" and having a championship game with the "Top 2 Teams". Thus triggering expansion to 15 team conferences.
No, the proposal that passed specified "two" equal divisions.
The AAC voted against because most AAC schools, like USF, see themselves as Big 12 expansion targets.
Link please. I read "With 10 team and playing a complete round-Robin schedule you can have a championship game and 12 or more members broken into equal divisions. I did not see a numerical attachment to said number of divisions.
Haven't seen actual text, but given the reasons I've heard against the original proposal I would be surprised if 2 divisions was not in it (or at least implied). My impression was the changes the ACC wanted were opposed by the Big Ten, SEC, and PAC-12 as a) they might able to get a better system to get more playoff teams in (which might force the other 3 to change as well and they like their set-ups) and b) this left the door far more open to expansion and the others wanted to avoid that. Leaving an option for 3 or more divisions would not have solved either of those issues.
Regardless if I am right on those two above or not, I have never seen any suggestion that the conferences are pushing for more than 2 divisions from anywhere except on these boards. It may come to that in time, but when and if it does, we will hear discussions of it well beforehand.
(This post was last modified: 01-13-2016 09:56 PM by ohio1317.)
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:54 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:22 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: There's another way of looking at this that may support the AAC's no vote.
Since a conference can split into "Equal Divisions" and play "Round-Robin" within those divisions to receive a championship game. This opens up the option of having "3 Equal Divisions" and having a championship game with the "Top 2 Teams". Thus triggering expansion to 15 team conferences.
No, the proposal that passed specified "two" equal divisions.
The AAC voted against because most AAC schools, like USF, see themselves as Big 12 expansion targets.
Link please. I read "With 10 team and playing a complete round-Robin schedule you can have a championship game and 12 or more members broken into equal divisions. I did not see a numerical attachment to said number of divisions.
From the Big 12's statement, here is what passed today:
"The following was adopted with the Council's vote:
One conference championship football game conducted in either of the following ways:
i) A game between division champions of a member conference that is divided into two divisions (as equally balanced as possible), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division; or,
ii) A game between the top two teams in the conference standings following a full round-robin regular-season schedule of competition among all members of the conference."
Is there a link to the passed Proposal which is now a new regulation? I want to see the exact verbiage used. Nothing is ever settled until it's in print and notarized.
Here's the link to the official Big 12 statement. Take it or leave it:
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.d...M_ID=10410
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:54 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: (01-13-2016 09:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote: No, the proposal that passed specified "two" equal divisions.
The AAC voted against because most AAC schools, like USF, see themselves as Big 12 expansion targets.
Link please. I read "With 10 team and playing a complete round-Robin schedule you can have a championship game and 12 or more members broken into equal divisions. I did not see a numerical attachment to said number of divisions.
From the Big 12's statement, here is what passed today:
"The following was adopted with the Council's vote:
One conference championship football game conducted in either of the following ways:
i) A game between division champions of a member conference that is divided into two divisions (as equally balanced as possible), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division; or,
ii) A game between the top two teams in the conference standings following a full round-robin regular-season schedule of competition among all members of the conference."
Is there a link to the passed Proposal which is now a new regulation? I want to see the exact verbiage used. Nothing is ever settled until it's in print and notarized.
Here's the link to the official Big 12 statement. Take it or leave it:
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.d...M_ID=10410
Thanks a lot. I honestly didn't find this myself. Now lets see what happens about Boren's comments after the vote.
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-13-2016 09:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote: (01-13-2016 07:55 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: (01-13-2016 07:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote: The question is Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could be very unhappy, and could leave. Those 3 are the power horses in football right now with the fan support. The ACC schools will turn their nose up at the Big 12 because of the Longhorns Network.
Duke, Wake Forest and Miami do not have a chance in the other P5 conferences because of the lack of fan support.
As for the Big 12? The schools are not happy about the Longhorns Network. This voting went in favor of Texas, and not for the other schools. Bowlsby is a paid shill for Texas. I am seeing some internal issues in the Big 12 right now, and most of the blame is landing at the feet of Texas and with Bowlsby.
Of course, there is ZERO evidence that any of these schools are unhappy. ZERO. I would put this idle speculation in the same camp as those posters who a few years ago were predicting that the ACC would seldom see the CFP playoffs, much less a NC game.
There was talk that those three could have gone to the Big 12 before Maryland left for the Big 10. ACC does have a problem for football product that is hurting them for an ACC Network. How much money will the Big 10 and SEC will dangle at the top teams to leave?
Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Syracuse and Oklahoma to the Big 10.
NC State, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Kansas to the SEC.
Louisville, East Carolina, USF, Memphis, UCF and Houston to the Big 12.
ACC would be left with Duke, Wake Forest, Miami, Boston College, Pittsburgh are still left. They could add Old Dominion, Tulane, Temple, Navy, Marshall, U. Mass., UAB, Southern Miss.
What exactly do your ND sources tell you about this, David?
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
The only thing this means in the short term is more P5 Stability...the Big XII isn't expanding and as long as a GoR exist nobody is going anywhere.
As for which is more powerful than who...doesn't really matter...it is the B1G & SEC with the other 3 lagging behind...but the 3 lagging behind and Notre Dame is making more money than ever before.
As for the G5...a win for the AAC...Now it is up to them to establish separation from the MWC, C-USA...
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
Going along with the spirit of the op and predicting rumors......
Notre Dame lobbies Big 12 (behind closed doors) to vote against having a Conference Championship Game in order to preserve their place in the Power structure. BYU joins the AAC along with Army.
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-14-2016 09:44 AM)Dasville Wrote: Going along with the spirit of the op and predicting rumors......
Notre Dame lobbies Big 12 (behind closed doors) to vote against having a Conference Championship Game in order to preserve their place in the Power structure. BYU joins the AAC along with Army.
Yeah...BYU is the biggest loser in this....
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-14-2016 10:18 AM)Maize Wrote: (01-14-2016 09:44 AM)Dasville Wrote: Going along with the spirit of the op and predicting rumors......
Notre Dame lobbies Big 12 (behind closed doors) to vote against having a Conference Championship Game in order to preserve their place in the Power structure. BYU joins the AAC along with Army.
Yeah...BYU is the biggest loser in this....
Sorry, the biggest loser remains Cincinnati, UConn and USF. BYU will still get all their jack from the BYU Network. They will continue to play their national schedule. UC, UConn and USF are the only schools to take a reduction in pay of their TV contract before the last realignment. The three schools lost their AQ Bid to a BCS/Contract Bowl and the new bowl tie-ins pay less than the bowls they had available to them a few years ago.
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-14-2016 08:50 AM)Maize Wrote: The only thing this means in the short term is more P5 Stability...the Big XII isn't expanding and as long as a GoR exist nobody is going anywhere.
As for which is more powerful than who...doesn't really matter...it is the B1G & SEC with the other 3 lagging behind...but the 3 lagging behind and Notre Dame is making more money than ever before.
As for the G5...a win for the AAC...Now it is up to them to establish separation from the MWC, C-USA...
This buys Aresco breathing room for sure.
The AAC can upgrade its TV deal to BE numbers with the stability. BE numbers may be a game changer as far as getting BYU to commit.
Long term (8-10 years) the value Aresco is building in the AAC may compel the B12 or ACC to finally expand again when its "open sesame" time for the TV deals.
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-14-2016 08:50 AM)Maize Wrote: The only thing this means in the short term is more P5 Stability...the Big XII isn't expanding and as long as a GoR exist nobody is going anywhere.
As for which is more powerful than who...doesn't really matter...it is the B1G & SEC with the other 3 lagging behind...but the 3 lagging behind and Notre Dame is making more money than ever before.
As for the G5...a win for the AAC...Now it is up to them to establish separation from the MWC, C-USA...
I agree that this is good for the AAC so why did they vote against it?
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RE: Now that the B12 can have a CCG, predict the next rumor.
(01-14-2016 09:44 AM)Dasville Wrote: Going along with the spirit of the op and predicting rumors......
Notre Dame lobbies Big 12 (behind closed doors) to vote against having a Conference Championship Game in order to preserve their place in the Power structure. BYU joins the AAC along with Army.
I am sorry, David. ND will not "lobby" the Big 12 and, if it did, the Big 12 would ignore it. No sale.
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