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(01-17-2016 09:07 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Mix makes me think of the rebound shoving match with Olympic Star UD's Spencer Haywood. Haywood took a swing at Lay-up Larry Smith, who
came to give Mix support. Ended with Haywood's ejection.

I thought UT would win easily with Haywood out. Couldn't believe they lost. A rare televised game- my neighbor's invited me over since my family had no TV and his mom made ribs. Funny how all that comes back.
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(01-17-2016 09:11 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(01-17-2016 09:07 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Mix makes me think of the rebound shoving match with Olympic Star UD's Spencer Haywood. Haywood took a swing at Lay-up Larry Smith, who
came to give Mix support. Ended with Haywood's ejection.

I thought UT would win easily with Haywood out. Couldn't believe they lost. A rare televised game- my neighbor's invited me over since my family had no TV and his mom made ribs. Funny how all that comes back.
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Kind of a forgotten Rocket great was Paul Seymour, who had a long NBA career as a player and coach. That time frame of the Mix and Haywood incident and Detroit made me think of him.
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(01-17-2016 10:16 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Seymour_(basketball)

Interesting. Just read an article about Lenny Wilkins where he specifically credited Pettit and Hagan with helping him combat the racism he encountered in St. Louis. I recall reading something about Pettit standing up for other black players during his career. I didn't even realize Seymour played for UT. Can't believe I missed that.
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(01-17-2016 11:04 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(01-17-2016 10:16 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Seymour_(basketball)

Interesting. Just read an article about Lenny Wilkins where he specifically credited Pettit and Hagan with helping him combat the racism he encountered in St. Louis. I recall reading something about Pettit standing up for other black players during his career. I didn't even realize Seymour played for UT. Can't believe I missed that.

Clicking over to the Cleo Hill wiki, it quotes that he denied the issue was "racial." He says it was "points." Why would a show make such an allegation if the purported victim denies it? Either way, good for Seymour standing up for his position to make decisions as coach.
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Don't forget Jim Cox and Ray Woolford 2 of my all time favorite Rocket post players. Anyone remember the height of these "Big Men"?

Boothe is bigger but his versatility and clutch play reminds me a lot of Jim Cox.
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(01-17-2016 08:15 PM)Sleepy Wrote:  Don't forget Jim Cox and Ray Woolford 2 of my all time favorite Rocket post players. Anyone remember the height of these "Big Men"?

Boothe is bigger but his versatility and clutch play reminds me a lot of Jim Cox.

They were both about 6-8. Both from Toledo high schools. Macomber and Scott(?).
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Article published Sunday, July 23, 2006

IN THEIR WORDS
Scott standout became UT star
Wolford played major role in Rockets' basketball success in early '60s

Outdoor basketball courts located in neighborhood playgrounds throughout the Glass City are where 6-foot-6 Toledo native Ray Wolford learned the basics of basketball. It eventually led Wolford indoors where he starred in gymnasiums at Scott High and the University of Toledo.
Wolford, 64, who has been slowed in recent years by the effects of multiple sclerosis, earned induction into UT's athletic hall of fame as part of the 1987 hall of fame class that also included his head coach, Eddie Melvin. The center averaged 18.7 points and 11.3 rebounds for his career at UT, including the 1962-63 season in which he averaged career bests of 21.1 points and 13.0 rebounds.
Wolford's career included plenty of victories in high school and college. He led the Bulldogs into the state tournament on more than one occasion and earned All-Ohio honors as a senior. He also guided the Rockets to plenty of wins against Mid-American Conference opponents. Toledo was 3-3 against Bowling Green State University - 3-0 vs. the Falcons at the UT Field House - during three years playing against Nate Thurmond, who went on to become an NBA Hall of Famer, and longtime local rival Howard "Butch" Komives, who was a standout at Woodward.
The Rockets' 87-74 triumph over New York University (No. 2 in the Associated Press poll) at Madison Square Garden on Dec. 12, 1963, ranks as one of the high marks of Wolford's career. Jim Cox led UT with 33 points, while Wolford scored 16 and grabbed 12 rebounds.
Wolford, who became a Toledo police officer, continues to follow the Scott, UT and all of Cleveland's pro sports teams.
"I PLAYED FOOTBALL and basketball in high school, but basketball was the only thing I excelled in. Basketball was the only thing I was good at.
"I knew how to play the game [basketball] from playing on the playgrounds before I began playing at Scott. But at Scott, basketball was a big-time program. DeVilbiss was good in football and Scott was always good at basketball. I was not really tall enough for big-time basketball but I was tall enough for high school basketball."
"I SIGNED WITH Nebraska and I was supposed to go there but they got me a lousy [summer] job back here in Toledo. [UT] had the better jobs. At that time there were a lot of factories here and so you had to go to Toledo to get one of the good jobs. When I was going to school I worked the first three years at Sun Oil in the refinery and one year at Pepsi-Cola where they mixed Pepsi-Cola in a mixing room. Overall, they were good, well-paid jobs."
"BUTCH KOMIVES was the best shooter in the world. When I was at Hamilton [junior high] and we had to play Parkland in a junior high basketball game, he was the reason why we couldn't beat Parkland because he could shoot so good it was ridiculous. Even at 12 years old he could shoot. We always were friends and never were enemies although we were enemies against each other during games. We're still good friends.
"I went around to several colleges, but [Komives] signed right away to go to Bowling Green. He didn't want to take [recruiting] trips. He wanted to go to Bowling Green and I had never been on an airplane before, so I was going all around the country. All Butch wanted to do was stay home and practice shooting. I wanted to travel and see the world.
"I went to Nebraska, Oregon State, Cincinnati, Ohio State and all the Mid-American Conference schools. I had a trip to go to a college every weekend during that summer [1961]."
"BOWLING GREEN had Nate Thurmond and Butch Komives on the same team. That was terrible, but we beat them every year at Toledo and couldn't beat them at Bowling Green.
"[Thurmond] could do everything. He was 6-9 or 6-10 and plus he could jump on top of that. It was no doubt he was going to make it to the pros because he made first team All-American from Bowling Green. The Mid-American Conference doesn't get many All-Americans. The best big man I played against was Thurmond. I always wished I was a little bit taller. I was only 6-6 and that was nothing."
"I WAS DRAFTED by the Detroit Pistons and I went to the training camp in 1964 and Dave DeBusschere was the coach and that's when I saw what basketball really is.
"It's really good in the pros. Don't compare it to college basketball."
"I ENJOYED THAT job [as a policeman]. If you like people you'll like that job. As long as you like people you can do that job. That was a good job.
"I still like sports as much as ever. Of course, I'm a Cleveland fan so I'm a loser in all sports. I like the Browns, the Indians and the Cavaliers. I stick with them all even though they never win. But a real fan doesn't really care whether they win or lose, they'll still be a fan. My hopes are right there with the Cavaliers. It seems like they're going in the right direction."
Contact Donald Emmons at: demmons@theblade.com or 419-724-6302.
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As many have said it is sad that we are looking back decades for a person with Nathan's skill level. Certainly there are a number of ways to look at this. NB is certainly putting up the stats but as for a team leader he is not on par with some of those mentioned, Miller, Knuckles, Mix, Etc. A MACC would certainly elevate NB to the discussion of others IMHO.

As for the Spencer Haywood ejection...it was for hitting a REF - the guys name was Red Struthers I believe. Not sure of how things went down but a friend of mine who was on the bench for the game always mentions the event when old times in the field house are discussed.
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(01-18-2016 07:22 PM)rocket 51 Wrote:  As many have said it is sad that we are looking back decades for a person with Nathan's skill level. Certainly there are a number of ways to look at this. NB is certainly putting up the stats but as for a team leader he is not on par with some of those mentioned, Miller, Knuckles, Mix, Etc. A MACC would certainly elevate NB to the discussion of others IMHO.

As for the Spencer Haywood ejection...it was for hitting a REF - the guys name was Red Struthers I believe. Not sure of how things went down but a friend of mine who was on the bench for the game always mentions the event when old times in the field house are discussed.
I did not see that game but if I remember right he did not connect he swung at the ref but missed. BTW I think Struthers was the worst ref I have ever seen.
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(01-13-2016 03:44 PM)Dwight Wrote:  . . . Harvey Knuckles

EMU fan here. There's no way Boothe is as good as Harvey.
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(01-18-2016 10:16 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-13-2016 03:44 PM)Dwight Wrote:  . . . Harvey Knuckles

EMU fan here. There's no way Boothe is as good as Harvey.

I'm going to say he's better. Can do more than Knuckles without the traveling. But Knuckles was awfully good and they followed similar paths: played for years behind serious talents, then exploded when they got their chance to be the man.
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a shame that Boothe could not have been this good when he was a soph. Even in his Junior year, I believe he ave only 10 or 11 points game with 6 boards.
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(01-19-2016 02:48 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  a shame that Boothe could not have been this good when he was a soph. Even in his Junior year, I believe he ave only 10 or 11 points game with 6 boards.

Sublimated his game to fit in with Pearson, Brown, et al. He's been surrounded with better talent than this year so he wasn't THE guy. This year he is. How many touches did he get with a scoring point guard, JD, and Drummond? Not many and most came back out to one of those three.
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This will go down as one of the best single seasons a rocket has had. Boothe had a quiet 23 and 8.... He actually missed some shots over Demagio whatever from Springfield. That kid will be a player for BG down the line... Anyways. Love watching Boothe play! He is shooting what? 42% from three? Thats insane for a center!! If we keep him out of foul trouble he will continue his MAC WEST POY trend. NIU will do some different things to lock him up this week.
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