(01-12-2016 10:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  You need a state issued ID to drive, fly, buy a gun, receive government benefits, get a post office box, open a bank account, why is it such a problem to say you need to prove you are who you say you are and are LEGALLY eligible to vote when you go to vote?

1. Because there is no legitimate evidence which shows in-person voter fraud is an issue and basic common sense dictates that it would do far more to disenfranchise people than it would to prevent illegitimate votes.

2. That the current ID system proposed by the GOP is far more rigorous than many of the examples you mentioned and is being don't for political purposes rather than common sense. If you don't have a photo ID you can still get on an airplane just an fyi.

> He has succeeded in transforming the house and senate from democratic strangleholds to a republican majority and super majority.

Have you heard of gerrymandering? I hope you have because it was mentioned in the speech tonight.

I didn't bother watching it.

I doubt I missed anything important.

(01-13-2016 12:47 AM)john01992 Wrote:  > He has succeeded in transforming the house and senate from democratic strangleholds to a republican majority and super majority.

Have you heard of gerrymandering? I hope you have because it was mentioned in the speech tonight.

Who gerrymandered the Senate?

(01-12-2016 10:31 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 10:21 PM)Hitch Wrote:  Rubio looks exhausted. Young kid like that needs to show some more resilience.

You know how thirtsy he gets at SOTUs.

Now that is funny!

(01-13-2016 01:32 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 12:47 AM)john01992 Wrote:  > He has succeeded in transforming the house and senate from democratic strangleholds to a republican majority and super majority.

Have you heard of gerrymandering? I hope you have because it was mentioned in the speech tonight.

Who gerrymandered the Senate?

(01-13-2016 12:45 AM)john01992 Wrote:  1. Because there is no legitimate evidence which shows in-person voter fraud is an issue and basic common sense dictates that it would do far more to disenfranchise people than it would to prevent illegitimate votes.

ACORN

Chicago

OHIO

get real.

(01-13-2016 12:47 AM)john01992 Wrote:  > He has succeeded in transforming the house and senate from democratic strangleholds to a republican majority and super majority.

Have you heard of gerrymandering? I hope you have because it was mentioned in the speech tonight.

jonnyZerO, do YOU have any idea how "gerrymandering" occurs? How it happens?

Do you know why? How some areas are actually being protected?

Lay down the Auntie Pinko and Mother Jones for a sec and actually read up for a change of pace. Might, might, do you some good.

I love listening to Obama particularly because he leaves the impression that all 300,000,000 in the country agree with him except the 300 Republicans in Congress who constantly thwart him. It's a certified hoot!

(01-12-2016 09:54 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 09:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Modern 21st century transportation system??? WTF does that mean, he wants to ban cars and force everyone onto mass transportation?

no

Well at least into the Obama car !

If you've seen one, you've seen them all.

(01-13-2016 01:32 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 12:47 AM)john01992 Wrote:  > He has succeeded in transforming the house and senate from democratic strangleholds to a republican majority and super majority.

Have you heard of gerrymandering? I hope you have because it was mentioned in the speech tonight.

Who gerrymandered the Senate?

Lol

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I'm 71 years old and until last night, I had never watched a SOTU address. I'm happy to say, that I've still never watched a SOTU address.

I tend to watch when a president addresses the nation from the Oval Office, by himself.

But I can't make it through a whole SOTU with all the standing and clapping every 30 seconds.

Although the random camera shots are entertaining. I mean, really... How hard is it to go a whole hour without picking your nose, checking your phone, half-dozing off, etc. (I know, I know... the speeches can make one do that). But if I'm in the audience, I'm locked in and looking alert the whole time. Even if I'm daydreaming.

(01-13-2016 08:47 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  I tend to watch when a president addresses the nation from the Oval Office, by himself.

But I can't make it through a whole SOTU with all the standing and clapping every 30 seconds.

Although the random camera shots are entertaining. I mean, really... How hard is it to go a whole hour without picking your nose, checking your phone, half-dozing off, etc. (I know, I know... the speeches can make one do that). But if I'm in the audience, I'm locked in and looking alert the whole time. Even if I'm daydreaming.

The Zen, Zombie stare!!!

Out of curiosity, did Justice Ginsberg fall asleep?

(01-13-2016 01:39 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 01:32 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 12:47 AM)john01992 Wrote:  > He has succeeded in transforming the house and senate from democratic strangleholds to a republican majority and super majority.

Have you heard of gerrymandering? I hope you have because it was mentioned in the speech tonight.

Who gerrymandered the Senate?

It's not as stupid of a comment as you think. You actually can indirectly gerrymander the Governorships, Senate, Presidency and the Supreme court, which is the GOP's ultimate strategy.

You gerrymander house districts to produce favorable republican (or democratic) districts. This produces 2 type of state legislators, those who can win elections to higher offices, old politicians and extremists(gay, socialists, minorities, racists, xenophobes, etc. ). One party slowly sees its future electable candidates diminish, while the other develops multiple options for House, Senate and Governorships. These people will become your next crop of presidential candidates.

If you look at the democratic side, they don't have many viable candidates after HRC. 2020 looks even worse should she lose in 2016. The democratic politicians in the south are minorities who can't win state wide (gerrymander districts). The dems in swing states are too old to seek higher office(Nelson, McCaskill, Levin) and the dems in the liberal states (California, Washington, Oregon etc.) have been in office for so long that they have not allowed new younger politicians to emerge. The dems are screwed if HRC doesn't win in 2016. Cuomo is their only hope.

He speaks rhetoric like few people can.

(01-13-2016 08:47 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  I tend to watch when a president addresses the nation from the Oval Office, by himself.

But I can't make it through a whole SOTU with all the standing and clapping every 30 seconds.

I can not recall a SOTU speech where so few people were standing and clapping. Normally its about half the room or more, which can cause these speeches to be really long. This time it was pretty much his cabinet and a few liberals, which really didnt slow down his speech at all, because they really didnt make that much noise. And I really wouldnt call it a speech, he seemed to be winging it on a lot of stuff.

So, are we back to Hope and Change again?