Anyone know if detailed plans of the stadium and complex that were presented were released? Wanted to see his vision, but can't really find anything updated recently.

Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



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What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?

Quote:Carson's NFL stadium was to have been built on the site of a former landfill, the Cal Compact dump—that land had been sitting dormant despite its prime location for the half century since the landfill closed. Developers have eyed the property time and time again, but deals continually fell through due to the high cost of decontaminating the property. But last May, with the possibility of the NFL on the table, the city of Carson was able to approve $50.5 million in bonds to clean up the site, money that would have been far harder to obtain simply for an indeterminate development. The NFL was the dangling carrot enticing Carson into some serious environmental cleanup.

The land was deemed safe last year by the California Toxic Substances Control Department, and come April, once offers of exclusive development to NFL franchises expire, its rights will revert back to the city. Carson is already mulling over the possibilities: residential use is out, due to potential obstacles stemming from the land's former use as a garbage dump, but commercial use is good to go. The city has considered plans for outlet malls and big box chains, but will be listening to other offers next week before deciding on the fate of the stadium site.

I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

(01-15-2016 10:52 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



Wars


What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?

Quote:Carson's NFL stadium was to have been built on the site of a former landfill, the Cal Compact dump—that land had been sitting dormant despite its prime location for the half century since the landfill closed. Developers have eyed the property time and time again, but deals continually fell through due to the high cost of decontaminating the property. But last May, with the possibility of the NFL on the table, the city of Carson was able to approve $50.5 million in bonds to clean up the site, money that would have been far harder to obtain simply for an indeterminate development. The NFL was the dangling carrot enticing Carson into some serious environmental cleanup.

The land was deemed safe last year by the California Toxic Substances Control Department, and come April, once offers of exclusive development to NFL franchises expire, its rights will revert back to the city. Carson is already mulling over the possibilities: residential use is out, due to potential obstacles stemming from the land's former use as a garbage dump, but commercial use is good to go. The city has considered plans for outlet malls and big box chains, but will be listening to other offers next week before deciding on the fate of the stadium site.

I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

They'll still have to clean it up, I imagine.

(01-15-2016 12:32 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:52 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



Wars


What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?

Quote:Carson's NFL stadium was to have been built on the site of a former landfill, the Cal Compact dump—that land had been sitting dormant despite its prime location for the half century since the landfill closed. Developers have eyed the property time and time again, but deals continually fell through due to the high cost of decontaminating the property. But last May, with the possibility of the NFL on the table, the city of Carson was able to approve $50.5 million in bonds to clean up the site, money that would have been far harder to obtain simply for an indeterminate development. The NFL was the dangling carrot enticing Carson into some serious environmental cleanup.

The land was deemed safe last year by the California Toxic Substances Control Department, and come April, once offers of exclusive development to NFL franchises expire, its rights will revert back to the city. Carson is already mulling over the possibilities: residential use is out, due to potential obstacles stemming from the land's former use as a garbage dump, but commercial use is good to go. The city has considered plans for outlet malls and big box chains, but will be listening to other offers next week before deciding on the fate of the stadium site.

I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

They'll still have to clean it up, I imagine.

Yes, they will. In fact, the remediation of that site is already underway.

(01-15-2016 10:52 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



Wars


What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?

Quote:Carson's NFL stadium was to have been built on the site of a former landfill, the Cal Compact dump—that land had been sitting dormant despite its prime location for the half century since the landfill closed. Developers have eyed the property time and time again, but deals continually fell through due to the high cost of decontaminating the property. But last May, with the possibility of the NFL on the table, the city of Carson was able to approve $50.5 million in bonds to clean up the site, money that would have been far harder to obtain simply for an indeterminate development. The NFL was the dangling carrot enticing Carson into some serious environmental cleanup.

The land was deemed safe last year by the California Toxic Substances Control Department, and come April, once offers of exclusive development to NFL franchises expire, its rights will revert back to the city. Carson is already mulling over the possibilities: residential use is out, due to potential obstacles stemming from the land's former use as a garbage dump, but commercial use is good to go. The city has considered plans for outlet malls and big box chains, but will be listening to other offers next week before deciding on the fate of the stadium site.

I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

It's why the location was always suspect IMO. But I believe they will have declared a superfund site and get it cleaned up like they did with the former Lockheed plant.

Also, can anyone confirm a story that in 2002 Kroenke and Spanos had a tentative agreement to jointly purchase the Inglewood property? That would shed new light on the disdain between the Rams and Chargers owners.

(01-15-2016 04:44 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:52 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



Wars


What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?

Quote:Carson's NFL stadium was to have been built on the site of a former landfill, the Cal Compact dump—that land had been sitting dormant despite its prime location for the half century since the landfill closed. Developers have eyed the property time and time again, but deals continually fell through due to the high cost of decontaminating the property. But last May, with the possibility of the NFL on the table, the city of Carson was able to approve $50.5 million in bonds to clean up the site, money that would have been far harder to obtain simply for an indeterminate development. The NFL was the dangling carrot enticing Carson into some serious environmental cleanup.

The land was deemed safe last year by the California Toxic Substances Control Department, and come April, once offers of exclusive development to NFL franchises expire, its rights will revert back to the city. Carson is already mulling over the possibilities: residential use is out, due to potential obstacles stemming from the land's former use as a garbage dump, but commercial use is good to go. The city has considered plans for outlet malls and big box chains, but will be listening to other offers next week before deciding on the fate of the stadium site.

I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

It's why the location was always suspect IMO. But I believe they will have declared a superfund site and get it cleaned up like they did with the former Lockheed plant.

Also, can anyone confirm a story that in 2002 Kroenke and Spanos had a tentative agreement to jointly purchase the Inglewood property? That would shed new light on the disdain between the Rams and Chargers owners.

Contamination at the Carson site was not anywhere near the biggest concern - the financing plan was. And it is not, nor will it be a Superfund site. It is already being cleaned up. The site had a developer ready to build a mixed use development before the stadium concept was introduced and will likely now revert to that mixed use type of development.

Spanos approached Kroenke about partnering on Hollywood Park in 2013. Kroenke didn't respond to the proposal but ended up buying the site in 2014. And yeah, it definitely explains the anger.

(01-15-2016 04:44 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Also, can anyone confirm a story that in 2002 Kroenke and Spanos had a tentative agreement to jointly purchase the Inglewood property? That would shed new light on the disdain between the Rams and Chargers owners.

There are conflicting stories about that. Piecing together things from different stories: It looks like Spanos and Kroenke both investigated the site 2-3 years ago, and at some point they spoke to each other about it. Spanos didn't think it was the best location, and didn't like Kroenke's initial proposal (which, I'm guessing, was that the Chargers would be a tenant and not an equity partner in the stadium). Spanos moved on to look at other LA area sites and might have thought Kroenke wasn't going to pursue Inglewood. Spanos even looked into playing at the LA Coliseum without a new stadium deal, but the NFL put a stop to that until the league decided who would be permitted to move there.

(01-15-2016 05:01 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 04:44 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:52 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



Wars


What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?

Quote:Carson's NFL stadium was to have been built on the site of a former landfill, the Cal Compact dump—that land had been sitting dormant despite its prime location for the half century since the landfill closed. Developers have eyed the property time and time again, but deals continually fell through due to the high cost of decontaminating the property. But last May, with the possibility of the NFL on the table, the city of Carson was able to approve $50.5 million in bonds to clean up the site, money that would have been far harder to obtain simply for an indeterminate development. The NFL was the dangling carrot enticing Carson into some serious environmental cleanup.

The land was deemed safe last year by the California Toxic Substances Control Department, and come April, once offers of exclusive development to NFL franchises expire, its rights will revert back to the city. Carson is already mulling over the possibilities: residential use is out, due to potential obstacles stemming from the land's former use as a garbage dump, but commercial use is good to go. The city has considered plans for outlet malls and big box chains, but will be listening to other offers next week before deciding on the fate of the stadium site.

I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

It's why the location was always suspect IMO. But I believe they will have declared a superfund site and get it cleaned up like they did with the former Lockheed plant.

Also, can anyone confirm a story that in 2002 Kroenke and Spanos had a tentative agreement to jointly purchase the Inglewood property? That would shed new light on the disdain between the Rams and Chargers owners.

Contamination at the Carson site was not anywhere near the biggest concern - the financing plan was. And it is not, nor will it be a Superfund site. It is already being cleaned up. The site had a developer ready to build a mixed use development before the stadium concept was introduced and will likely now revert to that mixed use type of development.

Spanos approached Kroenke about partnering on Hollywood Park in 2013. Kroenke didn't respond to the proposal but ended up buying the site in 2014. And yeah, it definitely explains the anger.

Just a note, when I asked about the contamination issue, I wasn't referring to the feasibility of the plan. I'm referring to the land being ruled inhospitable for houses, which means there's still down thing wrong. But a stadium or shopping mall is fine.

(01-15-2016 05:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just a note, when I asked about the contamination issue, I wasn't referring to the feasibility of the plan. I'm referring to the land being ruled inhospitable for houses, which means there's still down thing wrong. But a stadium or shopping mall is fine.

As a matter of fact, a previous version of the development plan included residential use.

The article linked specifically says residentially use was a non-starter due to the prior use, but the NFL or a shopping center were acceptable

(01-15-2016 06:59 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The article linked specifically says residentially use was a non-starter due to the prior use, but the NFL or a shopping center were acceptable

I agree they've ruled it out NOW, but residential was part of the development as late as 2013 - it's still on the City of Carson's website.

(01-15-2016 05:01 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 04:44 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:52 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



Wars


What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?

Quote:Carson's NFL stadium was to have been built on the site of a former landfill, the Cal Compact dump—that land had been sitting dormant despite its prime location for the half century since the landfill closed. Developers have eyed the property time and time again, but deals continually fell through due to the high cost of decontaminating the property. But last May, with the possibility of the NFL on the table, the city of Carson was able to approve $50.5 million in bonds to clean up the site, money that would have been far harder to obtain simply for an indeterminate development. The NFL was the dangling carrot enticing Carson into some serious environmental cleanup.

The land was deemed safe last year by the California Toxic Substances Control Department, and come April, once offers of exclusive development to NFL franchises expire, its rights will revert back to the city. Carson is already mulling over the possibilities: residential use is out, due to potential obstacles stemming from the land's former use as a garbage dump, but commercial use is good to go. The city has considered plans for outlet malls and big box chains, but will be listening to other offers next week before deciding on the fate of the stadium site.

I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

It's why the location was always suspect IMO. But I believe they will have declared a superfund site and get it cleaned up like they did with the former Lockheed plant.

Also, can anyone confirm a story that in 2002 Kroenke and Spanos had a tentative agreement to jointly purchase the Inglewood property? That would shed new light on the disdain between the Rams and Chargers owners.

Contamination at the Carson site was not anywhere near the biggest concern - the financing plan was. And it is not, nor will it be a Superfund site. It is already being cleaned up. The site had a developer ready to build a mixed use development before the stadium concept was introduced and will likely now revert to that mixed use type of development.

Spanos approached Kroenke about partnering on Hollywood Park in 2013. Kroenke didn't respond to the proposal but ended up buying the site in 2014. And yeah, it definitely explains the anger.

Aside:

pretend for a second that Spanos was the first person to think of developing that site. So then he tells Kroenke, who "steals" the idea from Spanos.


Is there any way to "register" your development idea, so that no one can "steal your idea". Like say, for five years, or something?

(01-15-2016 05:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 05:01 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 04:44 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:52 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



Wars


What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?

Quote:Carson's NFL stadium was to have been built on the site of a former landfill, the Cal Compact dump—that land had been sitting dormant despite its prime location for the half century since the landfill closed. Developers have eyed the property time and time again, but deals continually fell through due to the high cost of decontaminating the property. But last May, with the possibility of the NFL on the table, the city of Carson was able to approve $50.5 million in bonds to clean up the site, money that would have been far harder to obtain simply for an indeterminate development. The NFL was the dangling carrot enticing Carson into some serious environmental cleanup.

The land was deemed safe last year by the California Toxic Substances Control Department, and come April, once offers of exclusive development to NFL franchises expire, its rights will revert back to the city. Carson is already mulling over the possibilities: residential use is out, due to potential obstacles stemming from the land's former use as a garbage dump, but commercial use is good to go. The city has considered plans for outlet malls and big box chains, but will be listening to other offers next week before deciding on the fate of the stadium site.

I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

It's why the location was always suspect IMO. But I believe they will have declared a superfund site and get it cleaned up like they did with the former Lockheed plant.

Also, can anyone confirm a story that in 2002 Kroenke and Spanos had a tentative agreement to jointly purchase the Inglewood property? That would shed new light on the disdain between the Rams and Chargers owners.

Contamination at the Carson site was not anywhere near the biggest concern - the financing plan was. And it is not, nor will it be a Superfund site. It is already being cleaned up. The site had a developer ready to build a mixed use development before the stadium concept was introduced and will likely now revert to that mixed use type of development.

Spanos approached Kroenke about partnering on Hollywood Park in 2013. Kroenke didn't respond to the proposal but ended up buying the site in 2014. And yeah, it definitely explains the anger.

Just a note, when I asked about the contamination issue, I wasn't referring to the feasibility of the plan. I'm referring to the land being ruled inhospitable for houses, which means there's still down thing wrong. But a stadium or shopping mall is fine.

Wild guess: it has to do with exposure time to the toxins. In other words, if you live there then you'll cumulate a significant amount of exposure time. But patrons to a shopping mall or stadium won't be exposed for much time.

Don't seem "right" in a perfect world, I agree. But I think that's how things are figured.

(01-16-2016 12:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 05:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 05:01 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 04:44 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:52 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Did anyone notice this little nugget in regards to the Carson property?



Wars


What Will Carson Do With Its Reject NFL Stadium Site?


I am the only one concerned about this? I mean not only as a (then) potential NFL site, but for future use?

It's why the location was always suspect IMO. But I believe they will have declared a superfund site and get it cleaned up like they did with the former Lockheed plant.

Also, can anyone confirm a story that in 2002 Kroenke and Spanos had a tentative agreement to jointly purchase the Inglewood property? That would shed new light on the disdain between the Rams and Chargers owners.

Contamination at the Carson site was not anywhere near the biggest concern - the financing plan was. And it is not, nor will it be a Superfund site. It is already being cleaned up. The site had a developer ready to build a mixed use development before the stadium concept was introduced and will likely now revert to that mixed use type of development.

Spanos approached Kroenke about partnering on Hollywood Park in 2013. Kroenke didn't respond to the proposal but ended up buying the site in 2014. And yeah, it definitely explains the anger.

Just a note, when I asked about the contamination issue, I wasn't referring to the feasibility of the plan. I'm referring to the land being ruled inhospitable for houses, which means there's still down thing wrong. But a stadium or shopping mall is fine.

Wild guess: it has to do with exposure time to the toxins. In other words, if you live there then you'll cumulate a significant amount of exposure time. But patrons to a shopping mall or stadium won't be exposed for much time.

Don't seem "right" in a perfect world, I agree. But I think that's how things are figured.

Probably not. Keep in mind that an employee of one of those businesses could spend nearly as much time on the property as a resident. Methane (which is flammable and/or explosive, and an asphyxiant) and settlement are the two most obvious problems with building on landfills, but this isn't a particularly challenging site from a remediation standpoint. If I had to guess I'd say that residential is off the table because of perception.