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Ah, the wonders of (m)arriage: mommy & mommy & child
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By Joanne Kimberlin The Virginian-Pilot
Jan 8, 2016

VIRGINIA BEACH--It doesn’t matter that a baby born to a same-sex married couple has only one of the women’s DNA, says the Circuit Court judge who decided what he called a “unique” issue Friday:
Both women should be considered equal parents.

Divorce and custody battles have been cropping up since shortly after same-sex marriage became legal, but attorneys for Lauren and Karen Poole say they’ve never heard of another case exactly like this one – at least not in Virginia.

At one point during the hearing, attorneys even squared off over exactly which aid was used to artificially inseminate Karen Poole: a turkey baster or a syringe? They argued that the choice of instrument could have a bearing in the case.

At stake: the rights of a nonbiological parent – a common situation in same-sex marriages.

Lauren Poole, 29, and Karen Poole, 31, are both from Virginia Beach. They married in Maryland in August 2013, the year before same-sex marriage became legal in Virginia, and almost two years before the U.S. Supreme Court legalized it across the country.

Wanting children, they enlisted a male friend to act as a sperm donor, impregnating Karen Poole with an at-home artificial insemination technique commonly known as the “turkey baster” method, according to written arguments filed by both sides.

After the pregnancy was confirmed, the three signed an agreement to release the donor from parental responsibility and name Lauren Poole as the child’s second parent.

The baby – a boy – was born in July 2014 at Sentara Princess Anne Hospital.
Six months later, the couple’s marriage was unraveling and Lauren Poole moved out of the family’s home. For the next few months, she visited the baby several times a week until an altercation led Karen Poole to take out a protective order that stopped all contact.

Lauren Poole filed for divorce and a fight for custody began.

“This is not the future I had planned when we decided to have a baby,” Lauren Poole said during an interview earlier this week.

Karen Poole declined a request from The Pilot to talk about the case, saying through her attorney, Kathleen Edge, that she considers it a private matter.

According to a brief filed by Edge, Karen Poole believes Lauren Poole shouldn’t qualify for parental rights because she isn’t physically related to the child.

Lauren Poole said the couple intended to eventually have several children but decided “Karen would go first. She’s older, and she really wanted to experience pregnancy.”

Lauren Poole says she did everything a spouse and parent is expected to do: provide for the family, participate in the birth, help take care of the baby.

She says her name is not on the baby’s birth certificate because he was born before same-sex marriage was recognized in the state. She says she had plans to legally adopt him but the marriage fell apart first.

Since then, any shot at custody – or even visitation – depended on the court declaring Lauren Poole a legal parent.

But things get complicated when old and new collide. Traditional laws used to protect or establish parentage are worded to cover birth mothers and male fathers. In light of today’s same-sex marriage, those laws must be interpreted in a “gender-neutral” manner, said Lauren Poole’s attorney, Barbara Fuller.

Says Edge, Karen Poole’s attorney: “It’s up to the legislature to change the words. We can’t just do it.”
Verbiage applying to artificial insemination was up for debate as well. According to a state statute, the husband of a woman who conceives through a donor is considered the father of her child – a law that would favor Lauren Poole if read in gender-neutral terms. But “medical intervention” is required for the statute to stick.

Originally, the Pooles had said they used a “turkey baster” – which isn’t considered “medical.” On Friday, Lauren Poole said they’d employed that method, but had actually used a 10cc syringe – which could be considered “medical.” The announcement surprised the other side and threatened to cause a postponement of the hearing.

In the end, Circuit Judge Steven Frucci said it didn’t matter. In upcoming custody hearings, he ruled, Lauren Poole will be considered the legal parent of a legitimate child.

To decide otherwise, Frucci said, would make “every child born in a same-sex marriage a bastard, and I’m not about to do that.”
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According to a brief filed by Edge, Karen Poole believes Lauren Poole shouldn’t qualify for parental rights because she isn’t physically related to the child.

She was all for gay rights, up until the time it affected her negatively.
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(01-12-2016 01:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  According to a brief filed by Edge, Karen Poole believes Lauren Poole shouldn’t qualify for parental rights because she isn’t physically related to the child.

She was all for gay rights, up until the time it affected her negatively.

Yup
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(01-12-2016 01:46 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Degenerates

I think you spelled lesbians wrong. Hey at least they don't worship the sun god.
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Lauren Poole and Karen Poole = Cess Pool
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(01-12-2016 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:46 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Degenerates

I think you spelled lesbians wrong. Hey at least they don't worship the sun god.

You cut me with that edge
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(01-12-2016 01:56 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:46 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Degenerates

I think you spelled lesbians wrong. Hey at least they don't worship the sun god.

You cut me with that edge

It's cloudy today. I bet that makes you sad.
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(01-12-2016 01:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:56 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:46 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Degenerates

I think you spelled lesbians wrong. Hey at least they don't worship the sun god.

You cut me with that edge

It's cloudy today. I bet that makes you sad.

Not cloudy in the Sipp. Praise be to Ra.
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This is pure silliness. Just wait until the kid gets to school and has to explain that his parents got divorced and this is his other mother, but not his biological mother. It gets even trickier if she decides to go back to men and get married that way. Fun times.
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(01-12-2016 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:46 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Degenerates

I think you spelled lesbians wrong. Hey at least they don't worship the sun god.

Last I heard, Lesbians believe in gay rights. One of these women dont. One of them is a homophobe.
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(01-12-2016 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:46 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Degenerates

I think you spelled lesbians wrong. Hey at least they don't worship the sun god.

Last I heard, Lesbians believe in gay rights. One of these women dont. One of them is a homophobe.

Just another spiteful ***** that's trying to use a child to hurt an ex
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Crazy story. I feel terrible for the kid. Whoa, it's out of the Hampton Roads area also!

I wonder if there will eventually have to be lawyers who specialize in "gay law" because these types of cases will become more and more prevalent throughout the country....
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(01-12-2016 02:04 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  This is pure silliness. Just wait until the kid gets to school and has to explain that his parents got divorced and this is his other mother, but not his biological mother. It gets even trickier if she decides to go back to men and get married that way. Fun times.

I'm going to want to see what happens when she is awarded child support. Not that i have a problem with gay marriage or artificial insemination.... just that MANY of those who seek all of these 'rights' ignore the 'responsibilities' that go along with them.

In many ways, i see this as the beginning of 'the end' of 'marriage' except for the religious.
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I wonder if the divorce will be awarded fairly or if the judge will ask who wears the strap-on to find out who to crush?
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(01-12-2016 02:44 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  Crazy story. I feel terrible for the kid. Whoa, it's out of the Hampton Roads area also!

I wonder if there will eventually have to be lawyers who specialize in "gay law" because these types of cases will become more and more prevalent throughout the country....

Practices are highly specialized so yeah that is what I would do if I was already in family law or some sort.
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(01-12-2016 02:00 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:56 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:46 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Degenerates

I think you spelled lesbians wrong. Hey at least they don't worship the sun god.

You cut me with that edge

It's cloudy today. I bet that makes you sad.

Not cloudy in the Sipp. Praise be to Ra.


03-lmfao You guys are killing me! Think I needs me more Vitamin D.
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(01-12-2016 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-12-2016 01:46 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Degenerates

I think you spelled lesbians wrong. Hey at least they don't worship the sun god.

Last I heard, Lesbians believe in gay rights. One of these women don't. One of them is a homophobe.

That...that's...that's just so politically incorrect!
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(01-12-2016 02:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I'm going to want to see what happens when she is awarded child support. Not that i have a problem with gay marriage or artificial insemination.... just that MANY of those who seek all of these 'rights' ignore the 'responsibilities' that go along with them.

In many ways, i see this as the beginning of 'the end' of 'marriage' except for the religious.

It could actually help level the whole family law nonsense field, since liberals will directly see and experience the consequences of their ridiculous destruction by the laws they created.

I'm for an option to have your marriage treated as a legally binding contract, as long as both parties consent. It's the fact that Marriage and (m)arriage is an unenforceable contract that creates the opportunity for many of these problems. Imagine if you could just walk away from any other legal contractual obligation with not only no consequences (first one to break the con tract wins!) but the breacher could actual sue the injured party for the damages cause by their breach...and win!
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(01-12-2016 02:58 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wonder if the divorce will be awarded fairly or if the judge will ask who wears the strap-on to find out who to crush?

03-lmfao Good point actually. Sad story.
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