(01-12-2016 11:23 AM)uccheese Wrote:  No chance they let Lewis go. You guys are talking about the roster being great and him not winning.... he is making the roster. You can't let him go take over another team and put Hue in charge unless you bring in a GM as good as Lewis at identifying players that fit. We know Brown isn't going to do that. What makes you think Hue can draft and build the roster like Marvin?

It only takes 1 season of keeping Dalton healthy and the defense this good to change the playoff narrative. This isn't the time to try something new when the team is this close.

Duke Tobin is main man relative to drafting and scouting. Marvin and his asst coaches have much more influence relative to personnel since post 2011. Marvin and Mikey Boy had a big pow wow after that awful home playoff loss to the Jets. One of the conditions of Marvin staying was that Mikey Boy had to let go of how he wanted to draft. Marvin wanted to get rid of guys like Chad and Owens. In the NFL it is unheard of to be the head coach at one team and have never won a playoff game.

It's also unheard of in the NFL to fire your coach after making 5 straight playoffs.

(01-12-2016 01:43 PM)uccheese Wrote:  It's also unheard of in the NFL to fire your coach after making 5 straight playoffs.

It's also unheard of for a team to lose 7 straight playoff games.

(01-12-2016 01:45 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 01:43 PM)uccheese Wrote:  It's also unheard of in the NFL to fire your coach after making 5 straight playoffs.

It's also unheard of for a team to lose 7 straight playoff games.

I should have edited my other post. 13 years, one team, zero playoff wins. Mora had the
previous record at New Orleans/Indy. He was 0-4 in the playoffs at New Orleans then resigned half way through year 11. Then off to Indy where he was 0-2 during 4 years.
Then the Colts hired Dungy and they went to 2 Super Bowls.

Some people are afraid of the unkown, and Marvin is known.

(01-12-2016 02:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 01:45 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 01:43 PM)uccheese Wrote:  It's also unheard of in the NFL to fire your coach after making 5 straight playoffs.

It's also unheard of for a team to lose 7 straight playoff games.

I should have edited my other post. 13 years, one team, zero playoff wins. Mora had the
previous record at New Orleans/Indy. He was 0-4 in the playoffs at New Orleans then resigned half way through year 11. Then off to Indy where he was 0-2 during 4 years.
Then the Colts hired Dungy and they went to 2 Super Bowls.

Some people are afraid of the unkown, and Marvin is known.

Had Dalton not been hurt and they lost I think Marvin would be gone. With your starting QB out it's hard to expect to win a playoff game with a backup. To the Bengals credit they were very close in doing so if Hill doesn't fumble. You even saw when Big Ben came out how much the Steelers struggled, it is a QB driven league so I think that's why he gets the pass this time.

That being said you have to feel his seat is on fire next year. The lack of control that some players on his team have is inexcusable. The fact that he can't seem to control Burfict, who might be the dirtiest player in the game. I even hated when he got the pick and ran into the tunnel thinking the game was over. Those issues have to be resolved if they want to be a Super Bowl contender.

(01-12-2016 02:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 01:45 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 01:43 PM)uccheese Wrote:  It's also unheard of in the NFL to fire your coach after making 5 straight playoffs.

It's also unheard of for a team to lose 7 straight playoff games.

I should have edited my other post. 13 years, one team, zero playoff wins. Mora had the
previous record at New Orleans/Indy. He was 0-4 in the playoffs at New Orleans then resigned half way through year 11. Then off to Indy where he was 0-2 during 4 years.
Then the Colts hired Dungy and they went to 2 Super Bowls.

Some people are afraid of the unkown, and Marvin is known.

Oh the 90's is known, that's why Marvin is staying.

(01-12-2016 02:28 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 02:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 01:45 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 01:43 PM)uccheese Wrote:  It's also unheard of in the NFL to fire your coach after making 5 straight playoffs.

It's also unheard of for a team to lose 7 straight playoff games.

I should have edited my other post. 13 years, one team, zero playoff wins. Mora had the
previous record at New Orleans/Indy. He was 0-4 in the playoffs at New Orleans then resigned half way through year 11. Then off to Indy where he was 0-2 during 4 years.
Then the Colts hired Dungy and they went to 2 Super Bowls.

Some people are afraid of the unkown, and Marvin is known.

Had Dalton not been hurt and they lost I think Marvin would be gone. With your starting QB out it's hard to expect to win a playoff game with a backup. To the Bengals credit they were very close in doing so if Hill doesn't fumble. You even saw when Big Ben came out how much the Steelers struggled, it is a QB driven league so I think that's why he gets the pass this time.

That being said you have to feel his seat is on fire next year. The lack of control that some players on his team have is inexcusable. The fact that he can't seem to control Burfict, who might be the dirtiest player in the game. I even hated when he got the pick and ran into the tunnel thinking the game was over. Those issues have to be resolved if they want to be a Super Bowl contender.

True. Even some players have said Marvin not getting some guys under control has been a problem all year long.

(01-10-2016 06:29 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Bengals haven't won a playoff game since the first Bush's administration, including a 15 year gap between playoff appearances. If not for the Super Bowl appearances, they'd be regarded as one of the worst franchises in NFL history (and probably still are).

The Browns and Lions have titles from the 1950's. The Bengals have nothing.

The NFL likes the Steelers and they probably tell the refs to call games a certain way for certain iconic teams. I mean, we all complain about how the P5 conferences receive the calls, and there is a hierarchy everywhere.

The Steelers are a dirty franchise, but since they have the Towel and the "loveable" Rooneys, no one says that stuff. Reportedly, Tomlin gave Porter the game ball. Even if he didn't tell Porter to start something, he obviously supports it. I live in Steeler country. It is horrible. Most of the fans cannot string a sentence together.

It is funny, no one in Pittsburgh loved the Steelers until they got good in the 1970's. Before then, they were a sideshow. Unfortunately, my Pirates had to their most successful decade in recent memory in the 1970's.

(01-14-2016 11:17 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 06:29 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Bengals haven't won a playoff game since the first Bush's administration, including a 15 year gap between playoff appearances. If not for the Super Bowl appearances, they'd be regarded as one of the worst franchises in NFL history (and probably still are).

The Browns and Lions have titles from the 1950's. The Bengals have nothing.

The Bengals are a new team.

(01-14-2016 11:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 11:17 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 06:29 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Bengals haven't won a playoff game since the first Bush's administration, including a 15 year gap between playoff appearances. If not for the Super Bowl appearances, they'd be regarded as one of the worst franchises in NFL history (and probably still are).

The Browns and Lions have titles from the 1950's. The Bengals have nothing.

The Bengals are a new team.

Yeah and while the titles stayed in Cleveland the franchise went to Baltimore so those don't really count.

(01-14-2016 12:58 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 11:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 11:17 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 06:29 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The Bengals haven't won a playoff game since the first Bush's administration, including a 15 year gap between playoff appearances. If not for the Super Bowl appearances, they'd be regarded as one of the worst franchises in NFL history (and probably still are).

The Browns and Lions have titles from the 1950's. The Bengals have nothing.

The Bengals are a new team.

Yeah and while the titles stayed in Cleveland the franchise went to Baltimore so those don't really count.

Cleveland should be the next team relocated.

(01-12-2016 11:44 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 11:23 AM)uccheese Wrote:  No chance they let Lewis go. You guys are talking about the roster being great and him not winning.... he is making the roster. You can't let him go take over another team and put Hue in charge unless you bring in a GM as good as Lewis at identifying players that fit. We know Brown isn't going to do that. What makes you think Hue can draft and build the roster like Marvin?

It only takes 1 season of keeping Dalton healthy and the defense this good to change the playoff narrative. This isn't the time to try something new when the team is this close.

I agree that Lewis shouldn't be let go. The only criticism I have which was personified at the end of this game is the risks he takes on certain players. Jones and Burfict had reputations and he took the risk on them. They are great players but their antics can cost the team and we saw that rear it's ugly head at the worst possible time in this one.

Obviously those issues aside, they were playing without Dalton which was a huge and unfortunate loss for Lewis so I do think he should get a pass.

I think taking chances on high risk players is a Bengals thing more than a Lewis thing. It's just a theory I have. Because Mike Brown is so cheap, he's ok with Burfict - a dude every other team passed on - because he figures he can get great athletic talent at bargain basement prices.

(01-10-2016 05:01 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 03:42 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 12:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 12:08 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 11:43 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Marvin Lewis has been the best thing that has happened to that franchise since the 80's. He's competitive. Eventually, they'll get over the hump. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning can't play forever.

I wouldn't have a problem with Lewis keeping his job. But I would also understand if the Bengals did decide to part ways with him. He has underachieved miserably in the playoffs and with the talent Lewis currently has on this team, that should not be the case. I don't think the Bengals should be content with making the playoffs and bowing out in the first round. Again, 0-7 in playoffs games. That sucks!!!

You don't remember the 90's do you?

Well I don't follow the Bengals. But I do know that since Lewis has been the coach there, the Bengals has had all sorts of inappropriate conduct issues with former and current players. And Lewis has underwhelm in the playoffs. I say he's been giving more than a fair chance by current management. There is no freaking way Lewis should keep his job, simply no way!

The Bengals can find someone to effectively coach this team.

Actually, you can lay much of the blame on Mike Brown, who has a penchant for giving tainted head-cases with demonstrable skills, like Jones and Burfict, second (or third or more) chances to re-integrate with football society. Why? Because other teams are reluctant to deal with them, and they come cheap. Mike Brown is all about cheap.

Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't tender a low-ball offer to Ray Rice. Rice would've fit right in with Bengals culture.

Wish I saw your post about 3 minutes ago, because I just posted the same thing.

Ironically, Mikey's father was all about intelligence and not just about athletic talent - a bit more holistic in his approach. The idiot son is all about the cash.

(01-14-2016 04:55 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 05:01 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 03:42 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 12:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 12:08 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I wouldn't have a problem with Lewis keeping his job. But I would also understand if the Bengals did decide to part ways with him. He has underachieved miserably in the playoffs and with the talent Lewis currently has on this team, that should not be the case. I don't think the Bengals should be content with making the playoffs and bowing out in the first round. Again, 0-7 in playoffs games. That sucks!!!

You don't remember the 90's do you?

Well I don't follow the Bengals. But I do know that since Lewis has been the coach there, the Bengals has had all sorts of inappropriate conduct issues with former and current players. And Lewis has underwhelm in the playoffs. I say he's been giving more than a fair chance by current management. There is no freaking way Lewis should keep his job, simply no way!

The Bengals can find someone to effectively coach this team.

Actually, you can lay much of the blame on Mike Brown, who has a penchant for giving tainted head-cases with demonstrable skills, like Jones and Burfict, second (or third or more) chances to re-integrate with football society. Why? Because other teams are reluctant to deal with them, and they come cheap. Mike Brown is all about cheap.

Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't tender a low-ball offer to Ray Rice. Rice would've fit right in with Bengals culture.

Wish I saw your post about 3 minutes ago, because I just posted the same thing.

Ironically, Mikey's father was all about intelligence and not just about athletic talent - a bit more holistic in his approach. The idiot son is all about the cash.

People complain about him being cheap, but lately its a recipe for success. Burfict is one hell of a linebacker who make alot of good plays. The bengals wouldn't have a good defense without him. Jones has been their best corner for the entire year, plus he's a great kick/punt returner. The bengals have no bad contracts on the team and will probably be able to reesign many of their free agents this off-season.

In the past those types of players have killed the team with their actions off the field. These 2 have been model citizens off the field. We lost a playoff game because of those two? You could say the same thing about Jeremy Hill, but somehow he's gotten a free pass. Without his fumble, we're probably talking about our game at New England this week.