(01-12-2016 11:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 04:24 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 04:19 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Are there any cancer stats outside of Seattle?

If Seattle is the only place of statistical significancy, then they might have gotten a bad batch of rubber pellets. Or maybe they built some soccer fields on old land fills.

The studies were done in Connecticut, according to the videos.

And Connecticut found there was no risk.

The only "list" of cancer patients comes from Seattle. I concede that the list titled in favor of goalies is quite alarming. No one has ruled out, however, that Seattle got a bad batch of rubber pellets. Or that Seattle built soccer fields on old land fills that could be toxic, etc.

Since no one has made the connection between goalies and rubber pellets outside of Seattle and no one in Seattle has ruled out other causes, then I remain skeptical that it's a nationwide issue until someone presents more proof than just "rubber pellets contain certain chemicals that can be carcinogenic."

I get your points, cogar. Certainly more in-depth study needs to be done into this. Maybe the reason there aren't more lists other than the ones in Seattle is that no one else has yet tried to compile one by looking into this in other areas of the country. That was kind of the point the coach in the videos made. She went on her own to compile her own list before there was any suspicion other than her own intuition.

The fact that it was mainly goalies seems to me to rule out your landfill theory--wouldn't other players be affected just as much?

As to your "bad batch of tires" theory--I wouldn't know what a good batch of ground up tires would be or why ones sent to Seattle would be significantly different from other tires?

I remember the first time I was on one of these fields and encountered the rubber pellets myself. The thought did cross my mind of what they were made of, and all the different stuff that was in them. Of course, bits of everyone's tires have been running off our streets into our groundwater supply for near one hundred years. And that's perfectly safe, right?

Football should be played on natural grass outside. Period.

(01-11-2016 04:24 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 04:19 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Are there any cancer stats outside of Seattle?

If Seattle is the only place of statistical significancy, then they might have gotten a bad batch of rubber pellets. Or maybe they built some soccer fields on old land fills.

The studies were done in Connecticut, according to the videos. The part that got my attention was where they said that more chemicals may be released in hotter climates. I recall being on a fieldturf field in July and how I could "smell" it. So, worse for schools in the deep south and desert southwest, like Houston, for instance.

I think I know the smell you mentioned. We used to have a rug that you could smell the minute you entered the house. I hated it and it made me feel that people thought our house smelled. I finally convinced my wife to get rid of it but it took a while. Now our house doesn't smell unless I eat a good portion of beans. LOL

(01-12-2016 11:00 AM)9erken Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 12:50 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Given the interest, one could find a way to link cancer to nearly everything on this planet.

You sleep 12 hours a day and have cancer? Sleeping too much causes cancer

You run 5 miles a day and exercise 3 times a day, and got cancer? Exercise linked to cancer.

You get the point.

That phrasing is problematic and misused by the media. But would anyone really argue that there aren't some substances that with exposure will be more likely to result in cancer than others?

If the increased risk is high enough from these artificial fields as opposed to other types of fields, we would want to avoid having kids play on them, right?

Yes, but who gets to determine what amount of risk is high enough and who gets to determine if it is at all harmful? For the last 60 years many scientist have proven to be far from impartial in their findings. In the late 50's they told us that Butter was very bad for us and that we should move towards margarine. Turns out margarine is far more dangerous than butter could ever be but somebody needed to develop a market for vegetable oil and knew that if a Scientist told us we would believe and buy accordingly. The FDA has been known to hold up revolutionary drugs that would help cure diseases, because patents for certain drugs the "treat" the same disease had not expired and Big Pharma would lose money. I want rock solid evidence from more than one source before I start to form a negative opinion of artificial turf.